Money and Power: A Xianxia Merchant Quest

How many heavenly conduits do you get a year?
0-4 for free, +1-6 for full price

Can you disown Tet?
You can charge him with a less severe crime (refusal to acknowledge your leadership) and formally disinherit and exile him. It's a reasonable step at this point but doesn't solve all your problems. Oku was not an heir but she could have taken power. It does absolve you of his future crimes but not the crimes he committed while he was a member of your clan.

How much to hire a merging cultivator?
Your price was $10 for some of your attention for one quarter. Merging Cultivators are qualified to run a clan or join a sect as an inner member, so when it's even possible to hire them they are expensive. A lot depends on their specialization, their politics, and your Prestige, but ballpark $15-40 a quarter for a full time contract or $3-15 for a task. Since you're interested in a century timeline the better and more common method is to adopt or marry in an unaligned perfect as soon as they complete merging, or pressure some of your own perfects to take the step.

Can we use the clone as a divination tool?
Yeah, sure. Better than a hair.

Can we claim this is all Abyssal Manipulation?
You can try, but you'd need to fess up to the authorities first and last time this issue came up your advisors were strongly against it. It may not help your case to tell the Emperor that members of your clan may be homonculous plants. He seems to take a 'clean the slate' approach to this issue over a more nuanced attempt at justice.

Was this a critical failure?
I don't reveal the rolls for a few reasons:
1. Sometimes I don't roll, I just follow my heart. Other times I do. I don't want to have to justify rolling or not rolling in a key moment, because I see the rolls as writing aids.
2. I don't want to focus on the mechanics over the narrative, which is complex and fiddly enough on its own. 'System Mastery' should be being creative and thinking about the implications of things in the world, not figuring out the quirks of a system designed to simulate the world
3. It's easier for me to just roll with a random roller on my phone when I think of it instead of using a formal app that preserves and displays them.

Fun fact though: this particular roll was a critical success. That's not to speak to earlier rolls that led to it. You could have missed the holes in his memory and declared Tet innocent, or missed the homonculous corruption.

How old is the clone?
You don't know, it doesn't have a rate of decay like the elixir clone would. Chachi doesn't think he managed to smuggle an Abyssal Heart into his cell and then kill a guy under watch without anyone noticing. He did it before he was captured.

Can we talk to our advisors?
Since they're no longer under suspicion you can. I can post their take later but it would be a real scene. If it helps you make a voting decision now:

Mom does have the family, she doesn't think they know anything except Tet had a lot of suspicion and resentment towards the Clan and didn't want them involved in Clan Shit. She believes Tet really does love them, and that's a weakness. If Tet thought they were in genuine danger or suffering he may risk himself to rescue them. She's in favor of exploit.

Teo is very disappointed in his brother. He's worried that Tet has more than one clone, and that Prime Tet is focused solely on Cultivation and will stick to the shadows, but thinks he wouldn't be able to resist experiencing a moment of triumph in person. He's in favor of trap.
 
How much to hire a merging cultivator?
Your price was $10 for some of your attention for one quarter. Merging Cultivators are qualified to run a clan or join a sect as an inner member, so when it's even possible to hire them they are expensive. A lot depends on their specialization, their politics, and your Prestige, but ballpark $15-40 a quarter for a full time contract or $3-15 for a task. Since you're interested in a century timeline the better and more common method is to adopt or marry in an unaligned perfect as soon as they complete merging, or pressure some of your own perfects to take the step.
So if we can get a statistically significant sample size, trading 10-100 year contracts of indenture for our proprietary merging assistance could be a very worthwhile investment, even if we have to source both the Heavenly and Transcendent Conduits. And it should be relatively easy to keep proprietary since conduit refinement will be done through the Forge, which is unique to us, rather than the relatively identifiable Ritual.
Do we have many Perfects in our clan? And what's the average cost of a decent Transcendent Conduit?
Can we use the clone as a divination tool?
Yeah, sure. Better than a hair.
Nice. Hopefully Bullfrog knows a guy. Useful hero unit too, even if he's not on retainer.
 
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We can probably make an object to locate our brother with the forge, I doubt any protection he has can stop a spiritually refined object, this is limited resource, but the guy getting discovered will mean we are all probably dead (unless we did something like escape deep underwater for some time until the heat dies, but this will rely on escaping, maybe we should make such escape vehicle, just in case).

Better keep it in mind if standard plans fail and we get desperate.
 
We can probably make an object to locate our brother with the forge, I doubt any protection he has can stop a spiritually refined object, this is limited resource, but the guy getting discovered will mean we are all probably dead (unless we did something like escape deep underwater for some time until the heat dies, but this will rely on escaping, maybe we should make such escape vehicle, just in case).

Better keep it in mind if standard plans fail and we get desperate.
Good point.
[X] Plan In-House
-[X] Copy and Refine a powerful Divination artifact, use it and Clone!Tet to hunt him down ASAP.
 
How big is the Empire? How many Lords etc.?

8 regions of substantial size, think of them as a big country by earth standards. 3 Dukes, 15 lords. The primary regions (with a Duke and multiple lords) are the 1000 Rivers, the Paradise Hills, and the Shattered Plains. The other regions aren't necessarily smaller (vast swamp and turtle islands have more land than the 1000 Rivers) but they provide substantially less Cultivation power.

What are the pros and cons of marrying up?
Pro: backing, a powerful partner, prestige
Con: loss of autonomy, lots of politics

Chachi would be expected to support the ambitions of her partner. Conflicts of interest fall in their favor (if she married the Lady, and not just one of her people, she'd be expected to either name a heir and exit her home clan, or move the clan to the Turtle Islands).

Chachi would want to maintain control of her clan, so she'd want a Matrilineal Marriage and while a really high status individual like Lord Tlaloc might accept her as his 18th wife, he wouldn't marry matrilineally. Potentially he'd let her keep the Clan but he'd be in ultimate control, they're a new branch of the Tlaloc Clan now.
 
What are the pros and cons of marrying up?
Pro: backing, a powerful partner, prestige
Con: loss of autonomy, lots of politics

Chachi would be expected to support the ambitions of her partner. Conflicts of interest fall in their favor (if she married the Lady, and not just one of her people, she'd be expected to either name a heir and exit her home clan, or move the clan to the Turtle Islands).

Chachi would want to maintain control of her clan, so she'd want a Matrilineal Marriage and while a really high status individual like Lord Tlaloc might accept her as his 18th wife, he wouldn't marry matrilineally. Potentially he'd let her keep the Clan but he'd be in ultimate control, they're a new branch of the Tlaloc Clan now.
How much of that would apply to the "marry a transcendent cousin" plan with Turtle Lady? Or a Mastering one?
 
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Not nearly as much, that assumes you're marrying a non-heir relative of some sort and it's Matrilineal, so your clan/concerns come first. So Lord Tlaloc's great grandson, or Lady C's nephew (assuming you're straight. So far Chachi just hasn't been concerned with romance at all). In that case you get the transcendent cultivator, some prestige, and lighter backing. Still some more politics and they get a say.

It's the difference between being an ally and being a subordinate.
 
Not nearly as much, that assumes you're marrying a non-heir relative of some sort and it's Matrilineal, so your clan/concerns come first. So Lord Tlaloc's great grandson, or Lady C's nephew (assuming you're straight. So far Chachi just hasn't been concerned with romance at all). In that case you get the transcendent cultivator, some prestige, and lighter backing. Still some more politics and they get a say.

It's the difference between being an ally and being a subordinate.
Might need to consider it, on the other hand, we might be capable of asking her for a heavenly technique, her father a duke, she could probably get one for us to learn once we can turn off our diamond spirit, but we don't have to make only one deal, it probably won't be relevant for a while and a duke might be more willing to help someone who is married to a descendant of his.

What is the state of divorce in the empire, I am curious about the long term implications of marriage, likewise the oddity of our brother having a husband and a child, is there some genderbending potion to make children with same sex pairing or something else.
 
Divorce is possible but it's not a casual thing and "I don't love him anymore" is not a valid reason to divorce unless there's an enormous status difference at play and you can do what you want. If you divorce someone when it was an alliance marriage you should expect you're also dissolving the alliance.

Your brother and his husband used an elixir that takes the seed from both of them and then a surrogate who drinks it to conceive. It's a luxury Cultivators have but mortals can't afford. It's expensive enough that they only did it twice, while Teo has had a lot of kids the more conventional way.
 
I kind of like the idea of transcendent partner, it gives us connections to a duke, tie us more strongly to that lady and give interesting possible interactions.

Main problem is that our boss probably wouldn't like it.
 
Not nearly as much, that assumes you're marrying a non-heir relative of some sort and it's Matrilineal, so your clan/concerns come first. So Lord Tlaloc's great grandson, or Lady C's nephew (assuming you're straight. So far Chachi just hasn't been concerned with romance at all). In that case you get the transcendent cultivator, some prestige, and lighter backing. Still some more politics and they get a say.

It's the difference between being an ally and being a subordinate.
Do we know what conduits said grandson and nephew Merged with?
I kind of like the idea of transcendent partner, it gives us connections to a duke, tie us more strongly to that lady and give interesting possible interactions.

Main problem is that our boss probably wouldn't like it.
I'm not under the impression Lord Tlaloc has strong feelings about that kind of thing. He's not our boss until we decide to take up whatever duties dad did, and making non-fealty ties with another Lord will increase our prosperity, which in turn increases his cultivation. As a side note, if we don't have enough Perfects to perform statistically significant !!SCIENCE!! with Refined Conduits, I bet Turtle Lady would love to provide test subjects. Considering she's already probably strongly encouraging Merging among her troops anyway.
 
Cultivator Head Count (approximate, I reserve the right to fiddle or retcon. Total numbers are unrealistically round.)

100,000 employees
500 Cultivators
Admin: 7 (14)[50]
Sales: 1 (3) [100]
Finance: 0 (1)[5]
Production: 12 (22)[200]
Security: 0 (3)[150]
Charity: 1? (?) [?]

It goes Perfect (Pushable) [Total]. It's not a chart because I'm on my phone and doing this in between stuff.

Perfect Cultivators have completed Pillars and a Mastery. Pushable are in late Pillars and could be encouraged to hurry it up and stop building, go to Mastery. Total is anyone that has Exhalted, most are in Hungering and putting paychecks to cultivation resources or techniques, some are in Foundation and looking for the right Foundation Technique.

Edit: Security isn't technically it's own branch btw, it's multiple departments spread between the branches, but it's good to split it out sometimes so you know how many of your people are actual fighters. A Production focused cultivator knows some self defense and could beat up any number of mortals but they don't train every day and shoot fire lasers from their eyes.
 
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What's the average cost of a decent Transcendent Conduit? Like, not cheap, but not necessarily as great as the Eye of the Mountain. And what are some well documented options that might be applicable to a merchant clan?
 
"Merchant Clans" are a new enough idea that people like Tlaloc find them cute, and you don't have a terrific library full of transformation paths because most people are really hesitant to share details that could reveal their glowing weak spots. Most importantly your choice is really personal and dependent on what you feel an affinity for in your soul. Making the wrong choice there do to lack of honest reflection, greed, or because your Matriarch pressured you into it is a good way to be part of the wrong side of that 75% death toll.

Also OOC I make them up on the spot and don't want to brainstorm up a ton of theoretical powers people might get. You just have to grab bag it and see what happens. If you want to start buying conduits for people it will be hugely variable.
 
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"Merchant Clans" are a new enough idea that people like Tlaloc find them cute, and you don't have a terrific library full of transformation paths because most people are really hesitant to share details that could reveal their glowing weak spots. Most importantly your choice is really personal and dependent on what you feel an affinity for in your soul. Making the wrong choice there do to lack of honest reflection, greed, or because your Matriarch pressured you into it is a good way to be part of the wrong side of that 75% death toll.

Also OOC I make them up on the spot and don't want to brainstorm up a ton of theoretical powers people might get. You just have to grab bag it and see what happens. If you want to start buying conduits for people it will be hugely variable.
Fair, though we can probably sponsor people whose talents align with our needs anyway. Probably not worth seeking outside Perfects to test Conduit Refinement though. Hopefully we'll be able to pick up someone good for administration and someone sorta on our level for crafting stuff. CK II council style. We don't particularly want to deal with Pushing, for obvious reasons, but since Oku's going to do that anyway we won't have to Push any of our existing security Pillars. When we did our tour, did we get a vibe on anyone considering Merging in Admin or Production?
 
Oof, given those security numbers, I kinda regret not pushing to hire those cultivators.

We can probably make an object to locate our brother with the forge, I doubt any protection he has can stop a spiritually refined object, this is limited resource, but the guy getting discovered will mean we are all probably dead (unless we did something like escape deep underwater for some time until the heat dies, but this will rely on escaping, maybe we should make such escape vehicle, just in case).

Better keep it in mind if standard plans fail and we get desperate.
I wonder if we could do experiments on the clone to build something to (noninvasively) detect other abyss clones. While we probably couldn't scale it high enough to do anything resembling a sweep, being able to tell that Chachi it's interacting with one would definitely be helpful. And the Lady might appreciate one too
 
Oof, given those security numbers, I kinda regret not pushing to hire those cultivators.
It might be worth investing a couple $ to push some of the more talented ones through Hungering. It's 2 per $, assuming we're not bothering with the granularity of them being part way through, which I could buy being as much as 3 per $ until we run out. Hopefully kick starting our clan library with Turtle Lady will help getting our Seeking minions into Foundation.
 
Hiw long foes it get to get past foundation usually, does it take a year or two average or can people spend many years looking for foundational techniques.
 
It's a step that could take a single night if you dream one up, but can take a long time for people with few resources, or people who are just indecisive. They want to find a cool Foundation technique that fits them perfectly. A wrong foundation technique can ruin your future cultivation. You can switch them out early on, but once you make real progress with one your core starts to change and you're stuck with it. The Sects maintain libraries of Foundation techniques and experienced tutors who can help match students with a proper technique. They encourage students to spend a few months just trying them out before settling. Clans, especially new ones like yours, often struggle with this step and sometimes pay a Sect to teach their most important members as an Outer for a couple years around this stage so they can take advantage of the Sect library. You can also pay for just access to the library, though the sects charge more for that (they prefer it if people join as full students so they can headhunt the more promising ones and exploit the labor of the mediocre ones).

You can start spending to accelerate more people through Hungering and pay again to both improve and hasten the foundation search. They'll celebrate you for it but it's rough on the bank account. Your father preferred to just pay everyone but the core family, then have them buy their cultivation aids from the clan with a family discount.
 
Doing something like it now is probably a bad idea, we aren't in position to do long term expensive investment yet that wouldn't pay back with a lot of money in the next few years (3 to 4).
 
Doing something like it now is probably a bad idea, we aren't in position to do long term expensive investment yet that wouldn't pay back with a lot of money in the next few years (3 to 4).

When we improve our cash flow situation, I'd like to see about setting up some sort of cultivation loan options for our employees. The higher their cultivation, the more they can do for us and faster they can pay us back.

It's a step that could take a single night if you dream one up, but can take a long time for people with few resources, or people who are just indecisive. They want to find a cool Foundation technique that fits them perfectly. A wrong foundation technique can ruin your future cultivation. You can switch them out early on, but once you make real progress with one your core starts to change and you're stuck with it. The Sects maintain libraries of Foundation techniques and experienced tutors who can help match students with a proper technique. They encourage students to spend a few months just trying them out before settling. Clans, especially new ones like yours, often struggle with this step and sometimes pay a Sect to teach their most important members as an Outer for a couple years around this stage so they can take advantage of the Sect library. You can also pay for just access to the library, though the sects charge more for that (they prefer it if people join as full students so they can headhunt the more promising ones and exploit the labor of the mediocre ones).

Clan library reward is looking better and better.

Teo is very disappointed in his brother. He's worried that Tet has more than one clone, and that Prime Tet is focused solely on Cultivation and will stick to the shadows, but thinks he wouldn't be able to resist experiencing a moment of triumph in person. He's in favor of trap.

[X] Trap
Maybe CloneTeo can bait Tet out?

[X] Track
Probably the best option if we want to settle this quietly out of the way somewhere.

We should absolutely not try Exploit, keeping Tet's family safe and part of the clan is a good way to make sure he don't snitch to the coneheads about his misbehavior if it looks like things are not going his way.
 
[X] Track
Probably the best option if we want to settle this quietly out of the way somewhere.
 
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