Miracles of Ancient Wonder [RWBY/Exalted]

Yes but if they are hunting outside of towns they are there to kill grimm so having the grimm find them would be an advantage so they don't by past the grim by mistake and leave some alive to eat citizens. A scout would want to be stealthy but not a soldier that if focused on killing grimm.
wouldn't that all depend on what their strengths are? after all, the last thing any military unit wants is ti be overrun. So sending out units to deal with threats and gatherings is great as long as they are only dealing with those threats. if they are also dragging in every grimm in a mile radius, that could turn into a bloodbath very quickly.
 
If this is based on 2E (the voices in my head say the author said that, anyone confirm?)... it really could cost more than she can afford to give, wrong-material attunement penalties are terrible. And none of those first age cross-material button things in sight.

What she needs is Starmetal kit, but thats almost nonexistent in Creation.

...Heh, oh, i get it! Oob will probably try and get her to test the armour at some point, and shell fail because its Solar/Lunar kit. Which will make them feel so much better about her.

Now, if certain other Exalts that are supposedly around get their hands on it....
Unlikely to actually be a problem if she just wants it to run. The doubled cost is if you want to get the full magical material bonus, rather than to just get it working at all. I'd also be more worried about the feedback damage from trying to attune properly and failing/botching the test.

I'm personally expecting her to be forced into it in an emergency. Or maybe Pyrrha. Polarity will entirely explain how easily she's able to maneuver in it :V
 
This is wonderfully written- I wish that cannon had had this scene because this is such a damn good argument from both sides- weiss truly believes that the company bullshit she's spouting it is true, and Blake has some good arguments of her own to make way stop and think- and unfortunately the numbers back blake up...
 
Yes but if they are hunting outside of towns they are there to kill grimm so having the grimm find them would be an advantage so they don't by past the grim by mistake and leave some alive to eat citizens. A scout would want to be stealthy but not a soldier that if focused on killing grimm.
It honestly doesn't seem difficult to find grimm. Look at the entrance exam. And these knights were apparently made to operate in grimm infested areas, so drawing more seems like a good way to get overwhelmed. Not to mention that people feeling bad often means they won't be working very well.

If you do need to draw them in (when you are a totalitarian regime), just bring civilian bait. Which also means if you withdraw, you don't lead grimm with you or hace to sacrifice expensive troops. They go for the civilians, and the troops leave.
 
Yes but if they are hunting outside of towns they are there to kill grimm so having the grimm find them would be an advantage so they don't by past the grim by mistake and leave some alive to eat citizens. A scout would want to be stealthy but not a soldier that if focused on killing grimm.
Grimm appear to be more or less unlimited and can be drawn in from a long ways away. You really don't want your military gathering them if at all possible, because any delicate operations they might be trying to do are impossible. Add on that this is only their default states, and as people take wounds, their mental states become even weaker and would tend to draw the Grimm more, and you have troops that can't go terribly far from reinforcements and civilization as it is.
 
Should this be "Alabaster"? Or am I missing a reference?

Oops, thanks for catching that, edited.

Yes but if they are hunting outside of towns they are there to kill grimm so having the grimm find them would be an advantage so they don't by past the grim by mistake and leave some alive to eat citizens. A scout would want to be stealthy but not a soldier that if focused on killing grimm.

It honestly doesn't seem difficult to find grimm. Look at the entrance exam. And these knights were apparently made to operate in grimm infested areas, so drawing more seems like a good way to get overwhelmed. Not to mention that people feeling bad often means they won't be working very well.

If you do need to draw them in (when you are a totalitarian regime), just bring civilian bait. Which also means if you withdraw, you don't lead grimm with you or hace to sacrifice expensive troops. They go for the civilians, and the troops leave.

The knights weren't normal soldiers expected to hold the line against the Grimm, they would be more black ops and secret police in a modern usage.

They were incredibly loyal unit who could be trusted to achieve any mission objective without breaking or questioning orders, no matter where it was or what needed to be done. This would include inserting themselves into enemy lands by traveling through areas they would never be expected to be in. Get in undetected, accomplish the objective through overwhelming force if needed, and get back out.

The old Kingdoms had many enemies, both external and internal.
 
I really like how both sides of that argument came across as in-character, honestly trying to do what was right, and very passionate, but not to the point where they didn't listen to each other any more.
 
Book 1 Chapter 2.4
Miracles of Ancient Wonder

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Chapter 2.4

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"All you need to do is put more money into the bus and train systems. This would lower transportation costs for workers and improve the economic activity in the outer city."

"And better transportation within the city still does nothing to help those who live outside of the city. Though, it might work if more railways were built."

Ruby woke up to another debate between Weiss and Blake. It had become a daily ritual for them. Each time some new piece of news started it. They always went on and on about topics that she barely knew anything about.

"That would never happen. You can't turn a profit by serving those communities and the average cost of rail maintenance per mile would be…"

She rolled over and looked at them. Weiss was leaning against the wall and gesturing into the air; whereas Blake kept referencing her scroll. Ruby didn't get what Weiss having a perfect memory meant until now. She could pull all sorts of facts and figures out of thin air. They almost always wound up being accurate too. Or at least, Blake thought that Weiss believed they were true, and trusted her. Ruby was pretty sure about this because Blake didn't twitch whenever one was used that sounded weird.

"We can't just leave vulnerable people alone in the wilderness because it isn't worth it to build new rails." Blake countered, drawing a frown from Weiss. She always knew just what to say to make Weiss annoyed and throw her off of her game, usually something that the heiress overlooked regarding how other people did things.

"If they don't see an economic benefit, then the people who have the money to build it won't. Rails are notoriously hard to protect from the Grimm. The only good method is to build them underground, and I don't think the people of Vale would want to try that again anytime soon." And Weiss pivoted to a new argument, a new method of attack.

It was a fascinating way to fight with words. Each would try to throw the other off balance, but needed to enter the other's domain in order to actually make the attack. Kind of like a knife on spear fight where the knife-fighter was trying to taunt the spear-user into overstepping. Then she'd grab the shaft with her off hand and close in for the kill. Only the knife was really a multi-weapon gun-knife, but they were also different spears that worked better against different sorts of armor so… That analogy only went so far.

Ruby shook her head and looked around their room. Weiss and Blake were ready to go, but Yang was still out like a rock. Somehow, her sister was able to sleep through all of this arguing.

After a moment of deeper listening, Ruby hopped out of bed and started getting changed. The pulses of Aura weren't present, it must be because the topic was so boring. If they weren't really fighting, then it was safe to interrupt for breakfast. She never wanted to be on the receiving end of both glares again.

"In the process of expanding the city, they found subterranean Grimm that destroyed all of Mountain Glenn. We still don't know where all of these underground pockets are, so it would be very dangerous to build within the border." Weiss shifted the topic all the way back to yesterday's debate. Blake grumbled under her breath.

"As you said before, we've improved our surveying technology since then. Are you telling me that you wouldn't invest in being the only person to have trains like this and potential access to the other areas in the countryside?" As Blake spoke, Ruby flinched. That was really close to the topics that stirred the flames. So long as they didn't directly talk about the SDC or White Fang, they were usually good.

"Maybe. I would need the right subsidies from city districts that benefit from the additional work force." Weiss nodded and smiled, ending the debate.

Blake rolled her eyes and smiled back. Ruby looked from one of them to the other and back again.

"Eeeeeee!" She squealed and dashed over to them. Ruby wrapped both of them into a hug while yelling, "Ohmygodohmygodohmygod!"

"Grah, Ruby why?" Weiss fought back slightly, Blake just froze like always.

Ruby let them go after a moment and hopped back to the center of the room. She and Yang would get them used to random hugs, eventually. "You both were smiling. At the same time!"

"What? That-that's not. You-you argh!" Weiss blushed and turned her back to Ruby, who laughed in response.

"Come on Weiss," Yang said with a yawn. She rubbed her eyes as she sat up. "You really don't smile all that much."

Weiss gave Yang a look and shook her head. "I suppose that's because I've never had a chance to match wits with someone on my level." She smirked at Blake, who returned it.

"Aww, Weiss." Ruby stepped forward for another hug. She was being so nice today.

"Not you."

"Aww… Weiss." Ruby sulked in an exaggerated manner, sinking as far down as she could. Then she fell into a fit of giggles. She collapsed to the floor, drawing an eye roll from her monochromatic teammates.

Eventually, Yang pulled her up and they finished changing. When team RWBY left their room, they found Jaune walking back from the locker rooms.

He was soaked, just wearing a towel, and had one hand pressed against the side of his head. Weiss immediately rubbed her forehead while Ruby and Yang ran up to him.

"Jaune!" They cried. "Are you ok? What happened?"

"Oh, umm…" He looked at Weiss and blushed all the way down to his chest. "It's nothing really. Cardin just replaced my shampoo with superglue. I was going to find Ren because Nora glued her hand to her desk last weekend he had something that helped."

"Why are you...?" Ruby pointed at his towel.

"Oh, Cardin kinda hid my clothes too. They'll show up again sooner or later."

"Jaune, if you want us to do something about him…" Yang slammed her fists together.

"No, no." Jaune waved his free hand, then snapped it down to grab the knot of his towel before it fell. "He just likes to mess around. There's no problem."

Ruby and Yang looked at each other with a grimace, but let him go by. If Jaune didn't want help, who were they to interfere.

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Lunch right after fighting was the best!

Ruby got a chance to spar this time and burned a lot of energy! Her opponent was a little disappointing, but it was still fun. Sparring class with actual sparring got her full approval.

Her friends being together also got full approval. Getting them all in the same place was really hard, meals were about the only reliable time. Especially since she was going into the lab as often as Doctor Oobleck let her. She wasn't allowed to have her own key because of all of the other dangerous things in the room.

Ruby sat down in the middle of the group. She was between Weiss and Blake, and across from Nora. She'd been trying to get Nora to consistently remember her all week. Some days she did, on others it was like meeting a very sorry and very huggy friend all over again. Nora was kind of like her dad in that way.

"Hey, Nora." She waved.

"Mmph? What's up, Ruby?" Nora mumbled through a mouthful of noodles.

"You remembered me!" She thrust an arm into the air. "Also, cookies."

With her mission accomplished, Ruby looked over to the end of the table where Jaune, Yang, and Pyrrha were continuing their endless game of who would beat who from their favorite stories.

"No way, Major Marvelous would totally beat Lucy Skycutter." Yang drew a circle in the air with her fork. "He'd be all like, whoosh, binding chains on her arms and legs. No Dust blade could save her from those."

"How would she get caught? Lucy can see the future." Jaune brought his hands up to his face like they were googles. "She'd figure out what he was doing before he even thought of it."

Weiss groaned. She didn't join in on the more silly conversations very often. Instead she just played with numbers on her scroll. It looked like a business game of some sort, but Ruby didn't know why anyone would want to play those.

Of course, Weiss still participated more often than Blake and Ren, who were all the way at the other end of the table. Today they were reading 'The Darkness Within' and 'Ancient Mistrian Recipes' respectively. Ruby had been borrowing some of Blake's happier books, what few of them there were, but she couldn't keep up with how quickly Blake devoured new ones.

Without taking her eyes off of her book, Blake proved that she had been listening. "Seeing things doesn't matter if you can't react fast enough to prevent them from happening."

"Yeah, but how hard can dodging magic be compared to parrying bullets?" Jaune shot back, but got no response.

Ruby couldn't help giggling because he'd just taken several rounds to the face in class, only blocking one of them by accident. She felt a little bad about laughing because Jaune had gotten a lot better. Even so, he was still missing a lot of what she thought of as basic skills.

Nora slammed her fist on the table and made all of their dishes bounce, drawing everyone's attention. "I think there's a much better 'who can beat who' question we could be asking."

She grinned and looked from one side of the table to the other. "We've only seen three fights between our teams so far. Sooooo, bets on who can beat who for the next sparring class?"

Ruby looked at everyone nervously. She was pretty sure she'd be up there, but hadn't done an all out fight with Yang since the summer. That was before everything happened in the woods. She was a lot better now, but then again so was Yang.

"Pyrrha." Weiss broke the ice without looking up from her game.

"Wanna justify that?" Nora leaned over the table, leaving her only a few inches away from Weiss. She met Nora's manic grin with cold indifference and looked back down without emoting.

"I think it should be obvious why she'd win."

"Thank you Weiss." Pyrrha rubbed the side of her neck and stared at her salad. When Ruby thought about it, she was the most obvious choice. Pyrrha was a multi-year combat tournament champion. Though, it was a little weird that Weiss mentioned this fact more often than Pyrrha herself.

"Ok, yeah. I've gotta go with Pyrrha too." Nora sat back down. "Sorry Ren, but you've already lost one." She gave him a shoulder pat.

Ren smiled at Nora, then shrugged. "I think Yang has a good shot."

Ruby nodded. "I'm giving it to Yang too, sorry Pyrrha."

"Aww, thanks sis." Yang leaned over Weiss and lightly punched Ruby in the arm.

"Well, I think Weiss could do it!" Jaune chimed in next. He gave Weiss a goofy smile. She responded by shaking her head.

"Come on you guys. We're tied." Nora poked Pyrrha and Blake in turn. Yang was just out of arm's reach for her, but she tried anyway.

"I'm really not sure. Each of us has a different style and would match up better against different opponents. Judging an overall winner would be difficult." Pyrrha said while looking at her plate.

Blake shrugged and continued to read her book. "Ruby, I guess. She has the biggest weapon."

Pyrrha looked at Blake for a moment, then laughed. "I can't really argue with that logic, I suppose. However, if I were considering rate of improvement, I'd pick Jaune." She paused to smile at him. "But Ruby is two years younger than us and is still incredibly talented. By the time she's our age, she'll have surpassed all of our current skills."

"Who?" Jaune looked around the table, passing over Ruby twice before he noticed her.

Ruby groaned and waved to him. "Jaune, open your scroll and look at the note titled 'I forgot about Ruby again'." She'd asked Blake to write him a note to make this easier. It usually worked, but he still hadn't managed to remember to read it without prompting.

Nora groaned and dropped her head to the table. "You two suck! Now we have a three way tie."

Ren gave her a reassuring pat on the back while almost everyone else laughed. Blake and Weiss rolled their eyes instead.

Nora rolled her head to the side to get a look at her new target. "Alright. Yang, it all comes down to this." She suddenly sat back up and pointed at Yang. "You need to break this tie! Who will win?"

"Uhh." Yang looked down the table and bit her lip. "Well, I'm not really sure, you know? Everyone's pretty good."

Nora slammed both of her palms on the table and scowled at Yang. Yang groaned and looked around. "Ok fine. I pick…" She paused and ran her fingers through her hair. "Blake."

"What?" Everyone else said at once. Blake was good, but she made no sense as far as Ruby could tell. She hadn't fought much and her Aura was so quiet that Ruby almost missed it whenever she did something.

"I mean, she's faster than me and still hits really hard. She's also good at all ranges, just like Pyrrha. So… yeah, Blake."

All eyes turned to Blake, whose cheeks were bright red. She raised her book up to cover her face. "Uhh, thank you, but I really don't think I could do that well."

Nora's head hit the table again.

Everyone waited for someone to break the silence. Pyrrha, Blake, Ren, and Yang were just looking around, their faces forced to be as close to neutral as possible. They alternated between each other mostly. Weiss and Jaune were engrossed in their scrolls, the former occasionally glanced at Ruby.

Weiss kept making weird facial motions when their eyes met; a nod toward Yang here, a raised eyebrow there, and sometimes she held eye contact for several seconds past the point where it became uncomfortable.

Ruby had no idea what Weiss was implying; so she just played with the crumbs of her cookies. Cookies and milk were a complete lunch; no matter what dad said.

"Ohh, you're the one who helped me with my 'Beowolves Suck!' paper," Jaune said as he finished reading the note, looking right at Ruby. After a moment she giggled. Then Yang joined in. Shortly followed by Pyrrha. And then they all were laughing again.

"Huh? What'd I say?" Jaune laughed along, even though he hadn't been paying enough attention to know why.

"Nothing Jaune." Pyrrha laid a hand on his arm. She pulled it back quickly, to wipe the sides of her eyes. "Hehehe, thank you. We just, really needed that."

"Umm, ok." He grinned and scratched the side of his head. "Well, I'm still kinda hungry. Who else wants ice cream?"

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"...not very subtle Nora."

"..worked didn't it?"

Their voices were muffled as they came through the walls. Jaune bumped his head against the mirror while he brushed his teeth. He tapped it several times with his forehead before pulling back.

Ok Jaune, you can do this. You're a team leader now and you need to act like it.

He rinsed his mouth, splashed his face with water, and stopped right in front of the door. After a deep breath he opened it. His teammates were sitting on Pyrrha and Nora's beds, the furthest part of the room from where he was. All three of them went quiet after he came out.

"I could still hear you in the bathroom you know." Pyrrha avoided looking at Jaune when he said that. Ren and Nora just shrugged. He shook his head before continuing, "Come on guys. You heard Professor Goodwitch. We should be making friends, not this. Team RWBY are our friends, so… So why are you so worried?"

The rest of his team gave him a look of disbelief.

"Ok, ok. Stupid question."

"Jaune, we're worried because they are our friends." Pyrrha started slowly. She held her hands in her lap and ran her thumbs over each other. "They're our friends, so we don't want them to be…"

She made a fist and stopped speaking. Nora cut in before Pyrrha could find the right words. "We don't want them to get hurt. If one of them winds up being, you know." She tapped her forehead. "Then the others are gonna get messed up worse because they're probably already messed up a little."

"It's best to think about this early, before you get too attached," Ren said softly.

"Ren, you're talking like it's a sure thing," Jaune plopped down onto Pyrrha's bed. "Come on, you can't really believe that? Can you?"

He shook his head, but still looked very uncomfortable. "I hope not, but some things feel too similar for me to ignore them."

"There are other, more subtle, signs than just the ones we've been told about in class so far." Pyrrha kept her eyes on her lap while she spoke. "Multiple semblances, inhuman abilities, and implausible skill: each of these can also be important to look at."

Jaune wasn't sure how she knew so much about this, but nodded anyway. "Ok, but if they were well, you know what, then they're supposed to be man-eating demons who want to destroy the world or something, right? They're all good people. I mean." He said while scratching his head, "I kinda freaked out when Yang first did her fire thing and Weiss is kinda scary and really smart, but I'm sure she's also a good person and just… amazing."

"That. That right there is why I'm worried." Nora waved her finger at Jaune, but he didn't really get why.

"What? Weiss? I mean, you've seen her right? And heard her singing? Anyone would.." Jaune waved his hands for emphasis, but Nora just shook her head. He grumbled. "Ok well, you're a girl so that probably doesn't… Unless you… No... Ren, you know what I mean, right?"

He looked at Pyrrha, who was staring at her lap, then shook his head.

Jaune sighed. "Alright, I can tell when I've lost. But, back to my point. Yang had a good explanation for her fire and none of the Professors are doing anything."

"They're doing a lot Jaune." Nora frowned at him. "Us and Team RWBY... we're the only teams who've had everyone fight more than once. We also get called on a lot in other classes."

"Urgh, don't remind me." Jaune dropped his head down in a very exaggerated movement.

"Doctor Oobleck does pick you more often than anyone else." Ren smiled.

"He has it out for me, I swear." Everyone else laughed a bit and the heavy air in the room retreated. They were just four friends complaining about classes again.

And then Pyrrha spoke up, bringing the tension back. "What Yang said today made me realize something. I've been paying so much attention to Yang, that I missed how Blake fights with the same degree of skill. Only, she doesn't showcase the discrepancy as much."

"What do you mean?" Jaune groaned slightly. He wanted them to get off of this topic.

"Jaune, how would you describe Yang?" Pyrrha finally looked up and met his eyes.

"Uhh, blond, tall, kinda," He gestured towards his chest. When the others just looked at him confused, he made large, curved motions in front of it. Pyrrha narrowed her eyes and made a fist. Jaune bit his lip and continued, "Ok, fine. She's really strong, aggressive, and showy. When I fought her, she literally ran circles around me until I got dizzy."

Pyrrha smiled, but her voice was wavering, unsure. "Right, she's showy. She wastes movement and leaves a huge number of openings. This is all so that she can show off more when her opponent fails to follow through properly. She fights like a champion going up against a novice, even against very skilled opponents. And she wins each time. She doesn't just win, she wins decisively."

"Pyrrha, you do the same thing!" Jaune said much louder than he meant to. Pyrrha pulled back, bringing both hands up to her mouth to stifle a gasp. "You're amazing in the ring. When you get out there, it's like watching some action movie heroine wiping the floor with everyone around them."

Nora winced and hissed. "Oh no, Jaune. You didn't just-"

Jaune looked up and saw the shock on Pyrrha's face.

"I'm sorry!" He cut Nora off and grabbed Pyrrha's arm, "I'm sorry, I'm so sorry. I didn't mean it like that, I just…"

"No, no," She didn't pull away, but also didn't look at him again, "Don't worry Jaune. I-I understand what you meant. I hadn't thought about it like that is all… I learned how to fight in that manner to please the crowds. It has become, something of a reflex."

Jaune leaned forward and stared at the floor. He went over what he wanted to say a couple of times before looking back up.

"Look guys, I really don't think we should be worrying about this. I might've missed what our Professors were doing, but all of you caught it. That means there's probably other stuff we're not even aware of." He locked eyes with Ren and then Nora. "Your old teacher did the same thing and they weren't even trained Hunters. So, really I don't think you should be stressing about this. We should trust them. Can you all do that, at least?"

After a few moments, Ren and Pyrrha nodded. Nora rolled her head back and forth while the rest of them looked at her expectantly. Eventually she sighed and caved. "Ok, fine."
 
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Vote Jaune for Anathema 2016~!

That was some serious social rolling and manuvering Jaune just did against people who have, probably, Major intimacies against Anathemas. That's just a little bullshit.

Then there's his probable Larceny score with how he got into Beacon in canon... Night Caste? Or a stealth/social specced Lunar? Joan D'Arc big thing was that she inspired after all.
 
Vote Jaune for Anathema 2016~!

That was some serious social rolling and manuvering Jaune just did against people who have, probably, Major intimacies against Anathemas. That's just a little bullshit.

Then there's his probable Larceny score with how he got into Beacon in canon... Night Caste? Or a stealth/social specced Lunar? Joan D'Arc big thing was that she inspired after all.
Math for this comes from Ex3
Phyrra probably has a Minor Principle (The Anathema are the Enemy); Ren and Nora have the same principle at Major, though I could see the argument for Defining. I'd also say that at this point, they all have Minor Ties of friendship towards Team RWBY, a Minor or Major Intimacy relating to Team JNPR, and at least a Minor Intimacy towards the Beacon staff. Combined with the fairly reasonable nature of his request (the teachers have to be aware of this, lets stay calm and wait for them to figure it out), it wouldn't be too difficult. Mechanically? With 3 Minor Intimacies to support his argument, he can make 3 Persuade attempts (given that his goal is worst Inconvienent, a Minor Int is all he needs), and all of them will be against Resolve - 1. Unfortunately for him, Phyrra has a + 2 bonus to her Resolve, and Ren and Nora have + 3, maybe + 4. From my reading, he also made an Instill attempt to try and strengthen the Team RWBY tie, with mixed success (more success in convincing Phyrra that she and Yang aren't so different). Assuming some average Resolve scores, he pulled off some seriously high-difficulty actions there (Resolve ~3 + (1/2 from Intimacy) = Diff ~4/5). Willpower (plus 1 success) and a stunt (plus 2 dice) bring that to a point where only moderate Attribute + Ability is needed(using averages, about 4-6 dice). Factor in that he was able to take 3 tries, success isn't too terribly unlikely.

TL;DR: I overthink things sometimes.
 
Vote Jaune for Anathema 2016~!

That was some serious social rolling and manuvering Jaune just did against people who have, probably, Major intimacies against Anathemas. That's just a little bullshit.

Then there's his probable Larceny score with how he got into Beacon in canon... Night Caste? Or a stealth/social specced Lunar? Joan D'Arc big thing was that she inspired after all.
I still haven't gotten around to fully understanding Exalted, but I get the feeling Zenith is better for him - they're supposed to be priests or leaders, right?
 
I still haven't gotten around to fully understanding Exalted, but I get the feeling Zenith is better for him - they're supposed to be priests or leaders, right?
Priest-God-Kings are Zeniths. But no, not really. Zeniths are Preachers. Eclipse are the Ambassadors, Merchants, and Travelers. They are the ones who talk or debate and convince instead of Preach and convince. Very big difference.

That being said, if he did have a Solar Exaltation, he likely gained it from entering Beacon the way he did. Which would be Larceny based and thus is more likely a Night Caste Exaltation.

Admittedly this is the only event we have for him that could have led to him Exalting, there could be more off-screen moments.

At the same time Pyrrha did awaken his Aura/Essence. I... don't think Night's can hide that well... on the other hand, TED's caste of the Infernals can I think. But then he'd have to deal with TED's opening tree Charm... unless that's been changed for this? Or he grabbed Liger's opposing Charm for that.

... I got nothing.
Math for this comes from Ex3
Phyrra probably has a Minor Principle (The Anathema are the Enemy); Ren and Nora have the same principle at Major, though I could see the argument for Defining. I'd also say that at this point, they all have Minor Ties of friendship towards Team RWBY, a Minor or Major Intimacy relating to Team JNPR, and at least a Minor Intimacy towards the Beacon staff. Combined with the fairly reasonable nature of his request (the teachers have to be aware of this, lets stay calm and wait for them to figure it out), it wouldn't be too difficult. Mechanically? With 3 Minor Intimacies to support his argument, he can make 3 Persuade attempts (given that his goal is worst Inconvienent, a Minor Int is all he needs), and all of them will be against Resolve - 1. Unfortunately for him, Phyrra has a + 2 bonus to her Resolve, and Ren and Nora have + 3, maybe + 4. From my reading, he also made an Instill attempt to try and strengthen the Team RWBY tie, with mixed success (more success in convincing Phyrra that she and Yang aren't so different). Assuming some average Resolve scores, he pulled off some seriously high-difficulty actions there (Resolve ~3 + (1/2 from Intimacy) = Diff ~4/5). Willpower (plus 1 success) and a stunt (plus 2 dice) bring that to a point where only moderate Attribute + Ability is needed(using averages, about 4-6 dice). Factor in that he was able to take 3 tries, success isn't too terribly unlikely.

TL;DR: I overthink things sometimes.
I kind of forgot to take the RWBY Minor into account... but I thought it would be more difficult to convince all three when they have the same opposing initmacy. Kind of like the Sidereals' thing only... well, not unnatural.
 
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Well, Zenith is probably out, then, but I don't think Night is really all that fitting either - I'd say it takes more than just one act of forging his entry into Beacon to grant an Exaltation, and besides that Jaune never does anything really stealthy. People generally assume that Ozpin basically let Jaune get away with it - guy's too sharp to not notice.

I think a better moment would be similar to when he kills that one Ursa in Jaunedice - his back's against the wall, he could just run away and leave Cardin, but no, he stands tall and kills it, albeit with a bit of Pyrrha's help. I'd bet the stakes would have to be raised, though - you're supposed to succeed against something impossible, and a lone Ursa is probably within his capacities, even in early canon.
 
on the other hand, TED's caste of the Infernals can I think. But then he'd have to deal with TED's opening tree Charm... unless that's been changed for this? Or he grabbed Liger's opposing Charm for that.
Ok, as someone who really likes Infernals and knows how they work, I'd like to point out that TED's opening Charm with negative consequences is the requirement for half his Charm Tree, and the other half has a different opening Charm, one that doesn't have side effects. Loom Snarling Deception is in that half, so he wouldn't need Witness to Darkness to get it. There's still no evidence he is an exalt at all, let alone an Infernal, but if he was, he could have the ability to disguise his nature without penalties to being honest or in bright light.
 
Well, Zenith is probably out, then, but I don't think Night is really all that fitting either - I'd say it takes more than just one act of forging his entry into Beacon to grant an Exaltation, and besides that Jaune never does anything really stealthy. People generally assume that Ozpin basically let Jaune get away with it - guy's too sharp to not notice.

I think a better moment would be similar to when he kills that one Ursa in Jaunedice - his back's against the wall, he could just run away and leave Cardin, but no, he stands tall and kills it, albeit with a bit of Pyrrha's help. I'd bet the stakes would have to be raised, though - you're supposed to succeed against something impossible, and a lone Ursa is probably within his capacities, even in early canon.
Other than the fact that Stealth is literally just one Ability of five that make up their caste, I agree on some level. I imagine there are people that look for forgeries are such trying to get in and Ozpin probably doesn't have the time to go over them all. Just that could be enough to catch a Night Caste Exaltation really.

I guess him catching the attention of an Infernal Exaltation from the sheer number of failures he's had would make some sense. Especially with how likely it is his family deceived or sabotaged his efforts, thus likely attracting a TED empowered one.
Ok, as someone who really likes Infernals and knows how they work, I'd like to point out that TED's opening Charm with negative consequences is the requirement for half his Charm Tree, and the other half has a different opening Charm, one that doesn't have side effects. Loom Snarling Deception is in that half, so he wouldn't need Witness to Darkness to get it. There's still no evidence he is an exalt at all, let alone an Infernal, but if he was, he could have the ability to disguise his nature without penalties to being honest or in bright light.
Thank you for clearing that up. Makes that much simpler if he is an Infernal then.
 
I kind of forgot to take the RWBY Minor into account... but I thought it would be more difficult to convince all three when they have the same opposing initmacy. Kind of like the Sidereals' thing only... well, not unnatural.
Groups do impose a penalty to influence (so it's very much a good thing that he got so many attempts), but I can't find anything that gives any kind of bonuses for sharing the same intimacy that's resisting. It is worth noting that I'm using Third Edition rules, so that may have been different in past editions. If anything, though, I'd be more inclined to give Jaune a bonus for only targeting one intimacy, though not enough of one to eliminate the group penalty.
 
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I will neither confirm nor deny any who will Exalt ideas. Though I will say that the identity and caste of all of them has already been determined.

Reading all of the guesses is a lot of fun too.

There is something I feel it's important to point out though. There are multiple paths between not persuaded and persuaded. There are also a number of reasons to say that you'll do something even if you don't intend to.

@GhanjRho , that analysis is also nice to read, even though the story doesn't strictly obey game mechanics.
 
"No, no," She didn't pull away, but also didn't look at him again, "Don't worry Jaune. I-I understand what you meant. I hadn't thought about it like that is all… I learned how to fight in that manner to please the crowds. It has become, something of a reflex."

So her backstory is a little different here? Is this just her being worried that she fights like a possible exalt, or was her gladiator past more traumatic?

Looking back I don't think Pyyra being a celebrity here was mentioned, or anything, so... I'm kind of imagining she was like in an illegal fighting ring, maybe one that had Anathema involved in some way?

Reading all of the guesses is a lot of fun too.

Everyone is anathema, no one is loyalist!
 
So her backstory is a little different here? Is this just her being worried that she fights like a possible exalt, or was her gladiator past more traumatic?

Looking back I don't think Pyyra being a celebrity here was mentioned, or anything, so... I'm kind of imagining she was like in an illegal fighting ring, maybe one that had Anathema involved in some way?

I'm on my phone so I can't quote lines, but Pyrrha is still an internationally famous tournament champion.
 
Book 1 Chapter 2.5
Miracles of Ancient Wonder

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Chapter 2.5

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Ruby reached up to her room's doorknob and tried opening it again.

It was still locked.

She sighed and tapped her empty mug against her leg. It had been awhile since her last cup of coffee and the inevitable sugar crash was going to hit her soon. Moving around to warm up would also be a good idea, the hallway floor was too cold for just pajamas.

She stood up with a yawn and looked both ways down the hallway. No one was there and she couldn't hear anyone walking. There should be enough time to grab more coffee.

With a quick burst of her Semblance, she was at the machine. It wasn't anything special, just an automated caffeine dispenser with generic coffee. Unfortunately, she couldn't make it go any faster by glaring at it.

While it brewed, she dashed to the hallway, made sure no one was there, and dashed back to the kitchen. The machine was still working. Ruby drummed her fingers on the counter, resisting the urge to run back again and make sure she caught Blake.

Blake had been napping in the afternoon, so she could stay out later at night every day since Nora's RWBY vs JNRP thing. Ruby didn't worry about it first two times, since Blake had done something like that about one a week. But now they were on the third night in a row and it was becoming too much.

So, she overloaded on caffeine to stay up later, but didn't expect how much later it would need to be. When she stepped outside for her first refill, it was just past midnight. She'd had two more cups since then. Because she forgot her keys and scroll in her room, she didn't know what time it was.

Ruby could knock on the door until she woke up Yang or Weiss. But Blake had to come back eventually, so there wasn't a point to disturbing them. She just needed more coffee to stay awake and to be in the hallway at the right time… Unless Blake came back in through the window, but that would be silly.

She heard footsteps coming down the hallway. A couple of seconds later, Ruby tried to skid to a stop as she rounded the corner. Instead, she clotheslined herself on Pyrrha's arm. Ruby flipped heels-over-head and landed on her back.

"I'm sorry." The other girl gasped and ran over to help her up. "Are you alright?"

Ruby coughed a couple of times and gave her a thumbs up. "I'm good. Sorry about running into you."

"It's not a problem. Though, you should be a little more careful." Pyrrha backed up once Ruby was on her feet again. "What are you doing up so late?"

"Waiting for Blake to get back." Ruby looked down the hall again, then back to Pyrrha when she found it empty.

"Oh…"

"What about you? It's really late and…" Ruby paused, trying to find the right words. Pyrrha had all of her combat gear with her and was glistening from a light sheen of sweat. "... and you've got all of your stuff."

"I couldn't sleep and..." She looked down and paused.

Ruby focused and pushed hard. You can trust me.

After a moment, Pyrrha continued, "Things have been a little tense lately. There are have been some… disagreements between Jaune, Ren, Nora, and myself." Ruby nodded while Pyrrha spoke. "Because I couldn't sleep, I went outside to do some drills while the weather's still nice. Being by myself like that is more calming than almost anything else I can think of. No one watching or judging, just me and Miló."

She laughed softly. "It sounds sort of silly to say it out loud."

"It's not silly. I do the same kinda thing." Ruby walked over to a window and pressed her hand against it. She looked into the night sky, but didn't listen enough to hear the music. "Looking at the stars and just listening to everything. Sometimes I do that for hours on end."

"I see." Pyrrha stepped next to her and looked up as well.

They stood there for a little while, watching the movements of the night sky. Each star had its own pattern, as did the rotation of the moon. It was most of the way to a full shatter, where the moon was seen on the smallest side and most of the body was fragmented.

Ruby listened deeper. The constellations each had their own style and melody, but it was the moon that changed the tone. Its influence slowly changed with its phase when it passed over the stars. Tonight it was partially obscuring the Gauntlet, shifting the song to an intense and dissonant sound.

The constellation was lined up so its fingers would move right into the full shatter in a couple of days. That would be something incredible to hear, she'd need to stay up for it.

"Ruby," Pyrrha said softly, "Do you believe in Destiny?"

"Like, destiny with a capital D? Big important stuff that's going to happen to you no matter what you do?" Ruby waited for a nod from Pyrrha. "Nope."

Pyrrha leaned back, eyes briefly going wide. She pointed to Ruby, then glanced to the stars, then back to Ruby. "But you… Given the way you described the stars, I was certain you would've."

"Why's that?"

"There is an old, not commonly known, sect whose priests look to the stars for guidance. It's said that the wisest among them can see the movements of the world in the sky and make predictions about the future. Though, because of how ridiculous that sounds and the lack of any verifiable predictions, few give much stock to such beliefs."

She pointed to one of the constellations, it was just barely visible through the clouds. "According to them, I was born under the sign of the Ascending Spear." Her voice brightened. "It's supposed to represent those who would be great warriors, who would be honorable and disciplined in their fights."

"I trained since I was young, in part because of this, and my first sponsor came to me because of my birth sign. He thought that it would make for a great story about my abilities and talent. Pyrrha, the Invincible Girl, who was Blessed by the Stars." She laughed softly. "It seemed so silly at the time, but I really got into it."

She paused and closed her eyes. "This has been on my mind more and more often since our initiation. How much of my success was me and how much was Destiny? Is there a divine plan or was it just good marketing?"

"I've wanted to ask everyone in Team RWBY about their own signs because of your skills as well. However, I couldn't find a way to without it sounding strange."

Ruby gulped and nodded. Pyrrha had been there when she did that splitting thing and had so many hard questions afterward. She was also really hard to stop once she got going. But, this seemed like it was really important to her.

"I don't really know too much about it." Ruby shrugged. "But, Mom always said that we could do anything, be whoever we wanted to be. Yang and I took that to heart."

She raised a spread hand to the stars and closed it. "If you see something that you want, you grab it and pull as hard as you can. Though, I don't think she wanted both of us to follow in her footsteps and become Huntresses. She kept pointing us at other options whenever we asked."

They stood in silence for a few more minutes. Ruby listened to the Spear as much as she could. It was a little tricky because of how faint the music was. It was part of the red grouping and really was very similar to Pyrrha's aura.

"Hey Pyrrha. What's the constellation for Hunters?"

"The strongest association would be the Banner, for glory in battle. Though they do align each of the symbols of Mars."

"Mars?"

"One of the Holy Maidens who preside over Destiny. They're worshiped both in mainstream practices and lesser known ones."

"Gotcha, there was just the one main god worshiped in our town in Patch. According to the priest, he was like a super Huntsman. Someone who people should emulate and follow on the path to greatness. But neither mom nor dad placed much faith in him since they also said to not bother him by asking for stuff."

"Each of our gods have their own associations, though the Maidens are considered the most important. Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, and Saturn: each controls different parts of the world."

Ruby took a deep breath. If this was going where she thought it was going, she was pretty sure she knew what the answer to her question was. But she asked anyway. "What are the other things that Mars has?"

"Well…" Pyrrha paused. "She is associated with six constellations: the Banner, the Gauntlet, the Lightning Bolt, the Quiver, the Shield, and the Spear."

Ruby held her breath. If she listened to those six at the same time, it was very similar to her own Aura. She really didn't know how to feel about that. It wasn't too bad though, all things considered.

"She rules over all forms of conflict and strife, both large and small. Forging weapons and armor are also within her domains. As are strategic games." Pyrrha looked at her, a little worried. "Red is her color and summer her season."

Ruby gasped. "S-Summer…" She couldn't help stuttering while she tried, and failed, to keep her new anxiety from showing. "S-so, you could call her the Maiden of Summer? Like in that old fairy tale?"

Pyrrha blinked a couple of times. "I suppose so, but I don't think the four maidens from 'The Story of Seasons' have any connection with the five Holy Maidens."

"But they're..." Ruby coughed. Nothing made any sense! Well maybe one thing she'd been wondering about did now. But nothing else made any sense!

Ruby thought back to the forest with the beowolves, where all of this started. Gods don't actually- but if they do, or did, and the maidens are also gods… But that would mean that she was a- And she said I would be- And that means Yang… No. no, no, no, no, no. That's impossible!

"Ruby!" Pyrrha grabbed her arms and made her lose her train of thought. "Ruby are you ok?"

"Maybe? Sort of? I don't know." Ruby cringed and looked away from Pyrrha. "I just, umm… There's a bunch of stuff that is making some sense, but not other sense and..."

"What you're saying doesn't make any sense."

"I know. I know. I… Umm…" Ruby grit her teeth and closed her eyes. One, two, three: she took deep breaths and counted to herself. After a moment, she looked right at Pyrrha, who had her hands clasped in front of her chest. "Ok. One last question. Does Mars have any particular symbols?"

Pyrrha gulped. "Well… There is a different one for each of her aspects, but also one which is universal. The spear and shield... It looks identical to the symbol that appeared on your forehead during our initiation."

"Oh, I see." Ruby said flatly. She was rubbing the part of her back where Crescent Rose normally sat.

That confirmed it. There was undoubtedly some connection, too many things were the same for it to be a coincidence.

"Is that what has you so worried? Having your Aura shine with the symbol of Mars would be considered a great blessing." Pyrrha laid a hand on her shoulder and squeezed.

"I… Umm, thank you, but..." Ruby didn't know how to describe her worry without it sounding really bad. She'd have to explain about all of the other stuff she'd figured out how to do that she shouldn't be able to.

"But?" Pyrrha furrowed her brow briefly. "But you're worried about… About the attention that it might bring?"

Sure, she could go with that. "Yeah."

Pyrrha let go and stepped back. "That's understandable."

"I don't think I'd be able to do something like that." Ruby awkwardly grinned. "Being someone that people might associate with a god. It sounds… Really stressful."

"It may give people more hope than you'd expect." Pyrrha smiled at her, then continued with a strained voice. "But, being in the spotlight all of the time and maintaining your mask can be… Trying."

"I wanted to be a Huntress to fight evil and give people hope but… I never wanted to be anyone special." Ruby paused and looked at Pyrrha. Her smile was mostly real, but Ruby could see her cheeks twitching as she held it. "There's no audience here Pyrrha. There's no one you need to impress."

Pyrrha dropped the forced smile and looked down. She partially crossed her arms, letting one dangle while the other held on. "I wish it was that easy. Once you've built particular habits, it's hard to break yourself from them."

After a moment of hesitation, Ruby stepped up and hugged her. Pyrrha froze, then leaned into it. "That's fine, we can wait. What else are friends for?"

"Thank you." Pyrrha mumbled and joined the hug after a moment's hesitation. They held it for a while before she spoke again. "If you want to read more about astronomy… I have a good book."


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Soon enough, Ruby was close to nodding off again, even with another coffee refill. Pyrrha's astrology book didn't help with staying awake much since it was a lot closer to a textbook than a story book. Studying was hard enough at the best of times.

She was looking at the star charts, and comparing them to the song of the sky, when she heard the sound of heels scraping against the carpet. She snapped her head up and turned to the side just as her teammate rounded the corner. Blake was shrouded in darkness, standing just outside of the moonlight falling through the window. Ruby met her surprised gaze.

"Hi Blake."

"Ruby? What're you doing out here?"

"Waiting for you to get back." Ruby smiled and fiddled with the knob. "I also locked myself out."

"You didn't need to wait for me."

"Sure I did." Ruby stood up and walked over to her. Blake was dressed just like Pyrrha had been, wearing her combat gear. She was way less sweaty though. "I'm your team leader and your friend. So, if something's wrong, we should be able to just talk about it. But..."

Blake looked out the window. "Nothing's wrong, I just wanted to get some air."

Ruby grabbed Blake's shoulders and turned her so their eyes met again. "You keep going out like this without telling anyone. I'm- We're worried Blake."

"You don't need to be worried." Blake raised her voice just enough to make it echo through the hall. "I just needed to get some air."

"Blake I-"

"It's nothing you need to worry about!" She shook Ruby off and stomped over to their room.

Ruby skipped to the side with her Semblance and stood in front of the door. "You wouldn't have reacted like that if there wasn't something I should worry about!"

"It's-it's not…" Blake hesitated and Ruby felt the pressure build. She pushed on the world as Blake drove past her again. You can talk to me.

Ruby waited while Blake fumbled with her keys. She opened the door partially and turned back to Ruby. Blake took a deep breath and said. "Professor Goodwitch asked me to meet with her this weekend."

Both Weiss and Yang suddenly took quick breaths. Ruby moved to the side of the door so she could look in. Yang was sprawled out like she normally slept, her eyes were closed, and her mouth was hanging open.

Blake raised an eyebrow. "What was that?"

"Sorry I thought I heard something." Ruby laughed awkwardly. Both of them were breathing normally again. It must've been a coincidence. "Anyway, isn't that a good thing? She might have some cool project for you."

"I don't think so…" Blake grit her teeth. "She asked me to bring my weapons with me for it."

"That… It could…" Ruby stumbled over her words.

Professor Goodwitch was their combat teacher, so maybe it had something to do with the next class. She might be asking Blake to do a weapons demo since they were finished with martial arts. That would make sense, right?

Ruby couldn't delude herself like that.

Blake had been very confused when Weiss, Yang, and Pyrrha talked about being investigated before. Since those three still wouldn't tell her or Ruby what it entailed, they had to assume it would be bad.

Blake wouldn't have any problems though, Ruby was sure of it. She hadn't done anything terrible like take over a town and make kids kill their parents. She didn't glow or have any weird symbols and her Aura was… Her Aura was black. Just like Ruby's was red, Weiss's was white, and Yang's was yellow. Sure, they each had other colors mixed in thanks to various techniques, like Professor Goodwitch had blue and purple, but there was nothing bad.

"There's no problem, you'll be fine." Ruby laid a hand on her shoulder. Blake's eyes narrowed briefly. "You're a good person. And… and if anything bad happens, we'll be here for you."

The corner of Blake's mouth twitched before she responded. She looked down and to the side. "Thanks. That… That makes me feel a lot better."

Blake pulled away and stepped into the room. Ruby let her go, arm falling to her side.

I was just trying to make her feel better. What did I do wrong?
 
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Ruby focused and pushed hard. You can trust me.

Already with the casual mind control, Ruby?

"The strongest association would be the Banner, for glory in battle. Though they do align each of the symbols of Mars."

"Mars?"

"One of the Holy Maidens who preside over Destiny. They're worshiped both in mainstream practices and lesser known ones."

Huh. Maybe finding out she's a Sidereal won't be so bad? She might not even connect it with Anathema, and if she does it's just a special blessing that's been corrupted for solars and lunars.

Not technically inaccurate, if the curse is a thing.
 
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