I wonder what a Secondborn, carrying the Secret Flame and the Gift of Men, can do with Valarin. Considering it also gives Discord, I'm wouldn't be surprised if it gives her... quite a lot of power and ability to manipulate the World.

[X] Yes, it will take up time but it is a way to gain her trust, also it can become a secret means that the two of you use to communicate. +3 Kindness +2 Discord, Pragmatic +1 Bravery
-[X] Make her promise to keep it a secret between you.

By the end of this, Irina will be Melkor's Greatest Lieutenant... after Sauron and Gothmog, of course. friend rather than Issei's.

Excellent.
 
By the end of this, Irina will be Melkor's Greatest Lieutenant... after Sauron and Gothmog, of course. friend rather than Issei's.
I thought Issei was his Greatest Lieutenant, as it is always easier for a righteous guy to be working for you than against you, especially when you have convinced them that they are on the side of justice by doing your bidding
 
I thought Issei was his Greatest Lieutenant, as it is always easier for a righteous guy to be working for you than against you, especially when you have convinced them that they are on the side of justice by doing your bidding
That implies that Issei has a choice in serving Melkor.

He really doesn't.

As an aside, Melkor's reaction to God being dead in HSDXD?

*Momentary mental BSOD*
"... NO!... I mean. Then this 'God' cannot possibly have been Eru. Father wouldn't... He wouldn't... He can't... He cannot possibly be dead. He was the One. Not even I could have..."


Cue the real breakdown if he finds traces of Middle-Earth beyond just the works of Tolkien.
 
That implies that Issei has a choice in serving Melkor.

He really doesn't.

As an aside, Melkor's reaction to God being dead in HSDXD?

*Momentary mental BSOD*
"... NO!... I mean. Then this 'God' cannot possibly have been Eru. Father wouldn't... He wouldn't... He can't... He cannot possibly be dead. He was the One. Not even I could have..."


Cue the real breakdown if he finds traces of Middle-Earth beyond just the works of Tolkien.

Melkor bore Eru no ill will, and would be heartbroken over such an event

Hopefully he won't
 
Melkor bore Eru no ill will, and would be heartbroken over such an event

Hopefully he won't
The sentence "roaring rampage of revengeance" against those even tangentially related to the event comes to mind. Nothing would stay the Wrath of the Master of Fate. Not magic, not power, not destiny, not even the famed Longinii.

And the Heavens themselves would tremble. For Melkor is the Mightiest of all the Ainur and only all his siblings united could stop him.

he won't find Tolkein's work but he will find other's like Warcraft, Raymond. E. Feist, Warhammer, ect.

needless to say Melkor will not be amused with the concept of dark elves
... So this IS Arda Marred or isn't it?

Because not finding Tolkien's work can be interpreted in two ways, you know.
 
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The sentence "roaring rampage of revengeance" against those even tangentially related to the event comes to mind. Nothing would stay the Wrath of the Master of Fate. Not magic, not power, not destiny, not even the famed Longinii.
Uh, pretty sure it was a mutual kill in canon DxD. All the Maoh vs God.

The actual party at fault was Trihexa, since the Maoh would have gotten stomped if He wasn't weakened.
 
... So this IS Arda Marred or isn't it?
It is not marred in the sense you are thinking, in Arda evil was not possible without his essence in it. Here it is very much possible, arguments as to the nature of the Forbidden Fruit where some argue that it was higher sentience that had man cast out of the Garden of Eden some argue that it was less knowledge in general and more the awareness of Evil that the fruit granted.

So Melkor will be scratching his head wondering how such a thing is possible without his aid.
 
Uh, pretty sure it was a mutual kill in canon DxD. All the Maoh vs God.

The actual party at fault was Trihexa, since the Maoh would have gotten stomped if He wasn't weakened.
The Fallen and Hell are tangentially still related to those who killed God. If God was Eru, do you think that Melkor (of all beings) would give a damn that the original perpetrators were dead and that there was a regime change?

As for Trihexa... well, Melkor is the Original Evil.

It is not marred in the sense you are thinking, in Arda evil was not possible without his essence in it. Here it is very much possible, arguments as to the nature of the Forbidden Fruit where some argue that it was higher sentience that had man cast out of the Garden of Eden some argue that it was less knowledge in general and more the awareness of Evil that the fruit granted.

So Melkor will be scratching his head wondering how such a thing is possible without his aid.
"Father is messing with me again. I swear he is... Did I miss Dagor Dagorach? I mean, my essence doesn't permeate the entirety of the World, but Evil is possible... So... I won my point against Manwë... I think? Damn it all, I'll just take over everything and keep an eye out for Turin."
 
"Father is messing with me again. I swear he is... Did I miss Dagor Dagorach? I mean, my essence doesn't permeate the entirety of the World, but Evil is possible... So... I won my point against Manwë... I think? Damn it all, I'll just take over everything and keep an eye out for Turin."
sums up what I thought he'd be like.

As for Trihexa... well, Melkor is the Original Evil.
Technically he is discord not evil, he just is an asshole about it
 
[X] Yes, it will take up time but it is a way to gain her trust, also it can become a secret means that the two of you use to communicate. +3 Kindness +2 Discord, Pragmatic +1 Bravery
-[X] Make her promise to keep it a secret between you.
 
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[] Yes, it will take up time but it is a way to gain her trust, also it can become a secret means that the two of you use to communicate. +3 Kindness +2 Discord, Pragmatic +1 Bravery
-[] Make her promise to keep it a secret between you. 7 votes


[] No, it will take too long and she possesses neither the will nor the wit to comprehend it +4 Cruelty, Order +1 Ruthless
 
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[X] Yes, it will take up time but it is a way to gain her trust, also it can become a secret means that the two of you use to communicate. +3 Kindness +2 Discord, Pragmatic +1 Bravery
-[X] Make her promise to keep it a secret between you.


You narrow your eyes as Irina widens hers trying to look more pleading. While you are not one who will be swayed by such actions you are indeed wieghing the benefits and detriments of teaching it to her.

On one hand she is not of the Ainur and does not deserve to now of the first language, the one the Ainulindalë was sung in, no man deserves that, men being weak creatures that are easily manipulated and broken. They have always been easily twisted to your will.

One the other hand it would greatly place Irina in your debt as such a debt cannot be fully repaid and she would make a good servant if you were to ever try and regain your might. Also it would allow the two of you to remain in contact with each other as the Ainur could communicate telepathically before any of you needed something such as a language.

Still you would need something binding to prevent her from sharing it to anyone else, perhaps an oath or a curse, you are very much capable of using the power of words, the lore is still very much open to you. Also in modern society as what these men call it, referring to humans and 'man' is offensive. Also if you were to go by that train of thought you could argue that Irina is female and therefore a woman and not 'man'.

With all of this in mind you decide that you will teach it to her, but first you need to make it binding that Irina will not just say it by accident. The language of Ainur is the most binding after all.

"Very well then" you reply seeing Irina's eyes sparkle at this "I will teach you the language of the Ainur, only if you can repeat this line of it to me.

"Yes" Irina agrees nodding her head fervently "I'll repeat it" she states "I'll repeat it."

You resist the urge to smirk at her and instead choose to nod, your expression unreadable "The repeat after me" you now change the words to Valarin, complex and intricate so perhaps Quenya would e easier for her but just as binding"Ni herebime gwest -esse Eru's esse i ni indóme vamme quet- -o anime -o so man ort- -esse might muina."

Irina now spends the next several minutes trying to pronounce the first word right, you now realise the perhaps you should help her along so this takes up less time. Though it would take up more time if you were to leave her to it on her own but seeing how she is asking you to repeat the phrase you might as well help her.


[] Provide Irnia with assistance to say the words, it is binding and will help you in the long run. +2 Kindness, Pragmatic, Order +1 Mercy

[] Leave her to it on her own, the best oaths are the ones you let them swear themselves. +3 Discord, Ruthless +1 Cruelty

[] Switch with Issei so she cannot ask for help, it is better that she do it alone +5 Cruelty, +2 Discord, Ruthless


Melkor

Kindness: 09 points/Cruelty: 10 points
Bravery: 04 points/Pragmatic: 11 points
Order: 02 points/Discord: 12 points
*Mercy: - /*Ruthless: 10 points
Justice: - /Carnage: -

Issei

Kindness: 05 points/Cruelty: 03 points
Bravery: 06 points/Pragmatic: 03 points
Order: 02 points/ Discord: 04 points
Mercy: 03 points/ Ruthless: 03 points
Justice: 10 points/Carnage: 05 points
 
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[X] Provide Irnia with assistance to say the words, it is binding and will help you in the long run. +2 Kindness, Pragmatic, Order +1 Mercy
 
[X] Switch with Issei so she cannot ask for help, it is better that she do it alone +5 Cruelty, +2 Discord, Ruthless
 
[X] Provide Irnia with assistance to say the words, it is binding and will help you in the long run. +2 Kindness, Pragmatic, Order +1 Mercy
 
You know I like the idea of redemming melkor, also since he is a sacred gear did we ever find out what power he has?
[X] Provide Irnia with assistance to say the words, it is binding and will help you in the long run. +2 Kindness, Pragmatic, Order +1 Mercy
 
You know I like the idea of redemming melkor, also since he is a sacred gear did we ever find out what power he has?
[X] Provide Irnia with assistance to say the words, it is binding and will help you in the long run. +2 Kindness, Pragmatic, Order +1 Mercy
[X] Provide Irnia with assistance to say the words, it is binding and will help you in the long run. +2 Kindness, Pragmatic, Order +1 Mercy

Is he a Sacred Gear? I thought Boosted Gear was still in there with Ddraig.

And that Melkor was just... there for some reason. (Eru's giving him a last chance to redeem himself.)
 
[X] Provide Irnia with assistance to say the words, it is binding and will help you in the long run. +2 Kindness, Pragmatic, Order +1 Mercy

Is he a Sacred Gear? I thought Boosted Gear was still in there with Ddraig.

And that Melkor was just... there for some reason. (Eru's giving him a last chance to redeem himself.)
direct your eyes to the second threadmark and then the third, Melkor acts as a second Sacred Gear, as it it's nature no one has actually suggested anything for that so I have yet to touch it
 
[X] Provide Irnia with assistance to say the words, it is binding and will help you in the long run. +2 Kindness, Pragmatic, Order +1 Mercy
 
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