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[MCU] Raven Darkholme Quest

I completely disagree on this. I don't think space travel would have happened at all without the space race. We might eventually have seen satellites for the commercial benefits they confer, maybe, but I don't think anything further would have happened. No one would have gone to the moon and we wouldn't have sent probes to other planets. Also for that matter every dollar or ruble spent on the space race wasn't spent on building a bomb, and it provided a non-violent stress release valve for the Cold War.
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You're joking right? Nearly every space enthusiast seems to agree that the moon race fucked over space exploration immensely, followed only by the Shuttle which should have been mothballed decades ago. It took up such an incredible amount of capital, all for the prestige of being "first". It had little if any scientific value in comparison, and the money would have been far better appropriated developing actual space infrastructure that could be built off of and used. There is a reason most space alternate timelines are either 1. No moon race, and 2. No space shuttle.

The bolded part is sheer ridiculous.
We have $14 million. We got $9 million from the movie and only had about $4.5 million before the movie. Go look at the front page for our finances. You've made a serious error in calculation here. Possibly because of a misunderstanding between money and net worth. The QM was previously posting Net Worth and Money as separate indicators and our net worth was a fair bit higher than money, he has dropped the net worth statistic and just has money. Presumably a significant portion of our net worth was in record contracts or something that we lost from lack of use.
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You are right, I was mistaken for the reasons stated. The net worth value shouldn't just disappear completely though, it doesn't make any sense. And the idea of it all being in recording contracts doesn't work as we weren't making much from music anyway.
@midnightmissiles Why did you change the finances?
 
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How on earth does Emma think there's something going on between us and Charles? He's our brother!
 
Neptune said:
You're joking right? Nearly every space enthusiast seems to agree that the moon race fucked over space exploration immensely, followed only by the Shuttle which should have been mothballed decades ago. It took up such an incredible amount of capital, all for the prestige of being "first". It had little if any scientific value in comparison, and the money would have been far better appropriated developing actual space infrastructure that could be built off of and used.
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Hopeless dreamers to think we would have gone to space at all without the space race. Going there was motivated entirely by having to beat the Russians. The capital they wish would have been invested in more lasting space infrastructure would have been devoted to any one of hundreds of ground based projects, not in some foolish space project. Just consider what happened when the space shuttle was retired in real life, all those people expecting something new and better to replace it were disappointed and we just downsized the whole of NASA instead and outsourced.


You are right, I was mistaken for the reasons stated. The net worth value shouldn't just disappear completely though, it doesn't make any sense. And the idea of it all being in recording contracts doesn't work as we weren't making much from music anyway.
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It could be all sorts of things. What it was ultimately isn't that relevant since it's now gone.
 
[X] Yeah. You would like to see America in space. Also, a billionaire boy genius named Nathaniel Richards wants to talk.
This was a bit of an unfair choice because even the most uneducated person in world or american history knows just how important this was to the history of the world and why it was important america made it first.


[X] Register and attend university to study biology and manipulating microbiology.
[X] Find a personal trainer and work on athletics, self-defense, and weapons training.
[X] Continue learning Russian or a new language, and travel to those new lands.
[X] Communicate with Howard's people and integrate into the military industrial complex.
 
[X] Nah. You could save that political capital for something else you want to pass, like the Civil Rights Movement.
[X] Go to Warren Buffett and actually take time to learn the ins and outs, maybe invest further.
[X] Do a Coca Cola commercial and advertisement using music or musical-stuff.
[X] Communicate with Howard's people and integrate into the military industrial complex.
[X] Socialize one person [write-in].
-[X] Charles. Have him go out and make friends. If he's hit a wall with genetics, he can find something else he likes, some other cause to back. We have influence, money, we can help him get started in whatever he wants to do.
[X] Invest another $4,406,000.00 with Warren, and spend $4,040,907.50 on shares in Stark Industries.
 
Neptune said:
You're joking right? Nearly every space enthusiast seems to agree that the moon race fucked over space exploration immensely, followed only by the Shuttle which should have been mothballed decades ago. It took up such an incredible amount of capital, all for the prestige of being "first". It had little if any scientific value in comparison, and the money would have been far better appropriated developing actual space infrastructure that could be built off of and used. There is a reason most space alternate timelines are either 1. No moon race, and 2. No space shuttle.
@midnightmissiles Why did you change the finances?
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The space race was more than just shuttles and going to the moon, it was mostly developing technologies in zero g habitats, without the space race we wouldn't have many of the things we take for granted today. We already lost the nazi scientists and possibly the Germany immigrants like Einstein to discrimination we can't afford to lose the benefits of the Space program too.
 
[X] Yeah. You would like to see America in space. Also, a billionaire boy genius named Nathaniel Richards wants to talk.

Not sure on what to do personally, but I'm in full support of the Space Race. Without it or a similar competition, there's basically no way that we'd develop the technology needed to get into space.
 
[X] Yeah. You would like to see America in space. Also, a billionaire boy genius named Nathaniel Richards wants to talk.

Space gotta go to space, also Reed!

Anyway, for the coming year, pick 4:
[X] Register and attend university to study ancient Egypt archeology and cats and stuff.
[X] Begin to learn Arabic.
[X] Find a personal trainer and work on athletics, self-defense, and weapons training.
Me like, Raven, adventure archaeologist.

[X] See what this Nathaniel Richards kid wants to do with his weird 'colonize the moon' idea.
Hmm perhaps make the Reed family not useless for once...

[X] Manage your finances
-[x]Invest half of your movie profits in stark's cybernetic company and half with warren.
 
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[X] Register and attend university to study biology and manipulating microbiology.
[X] Work on your powers with Charles, or rather to see how the Serum has affected you.
[X] Work with Howard on establishing Starkvalley, the Land of Tomorrow for all ages.
[X] See what this Nathaniel Richards kid wants to do with his weird 'colonize the moon' idea.
[X] Manage your finances
-[X] Invest all but $2 million in Warren and Stark Cybernetics/Starkvalley. Split it 50/50.
 
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Wolfy said:
Do you folks seriously believe that entire thing will grind to halt just because Raven didn't lend it her support?
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Probably not, but we could make it start earlier and finance it so we'll have more results.
I made a simple research on wikipedia and those are some of the benefits I found:
If we could have even 2-3 of those a little earlier we could advance technology and the average joe lifestyle a great deal.
 
Tarantio said:
We already lost the nazi scientists and possibly the Germany immigrants like Einstein to discrimination we can't afford to lose the benefits of the Space program too.
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Pretty sure Einstein was Swiss and has been in America for way too long to be kicked out and the guy who thought up multi-stage rockets and liquid-fuel rockets was American and thought it up before WWII.

Edit: Yea, it was Goddard and he thought them up in 1914 and was, like almost every other pioneer of anything, ridiculed for it. He'll also be dying soon btw.
 
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Einstein was german, but you are right that he is already dead at this point (1955) I was sure he kicked the bucked later... Anyway he was not the only german immigrant that contributed to the USA and the nazi didn't contribute only on rocket science, they also contributed on medical science a great deal (through immoral and horrible means, but they contributed a big deal and its a shame we sabotaged the exploitation of that research, I mean if so many innocent people died for it it should at least count for something)
 
Wolfy said:
Do you folks seriously believe that entire thing will grind to halt just because Raven didn't lend it her support?
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Do you honestly think we have the political capital to make a difference in Civil Rights, and can't use this to get more?

inverted_helix said:
Incidentally I'm surprised that no one seems interested in maintaining our fame.
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Our USA Renown is permanent - at this point doing nothing too public for a year won't really diminish our fame. This is assuming of course that Starkvalley doesn't have an effect publicity wise.
 
Wolfy said:
That's beside the point. If you reread the update, we are stressed because we are doing too much at once. Adding more to the mix won't help us with that.
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This is literally "Go for it, Ike" with maybe a public speaking event.

If our stress is that problematic, I would suggest using one of our four actions to relax. Given that we have gone down stress-wise since last turn, and I chose relatively light actions, I'd see where we are next update before panicking.

So no, that is very much the point - besides the scientific/political implications.
 
[X] Yeah. You would like to see America in space. Also, a billionaire boy genius named Nathaniel Richards wants to talk.

[X] Register and attend university to study ancient Egypt archeology and cats and stuff.
[X] Work on your powers with Charles, or rather to see how the Serum has affected you.
[X] Work with Howard on establishing Starkvalley, the Land of Tomorrow for all ages.
[X] Go to Warren Buffett and actually take time to learn the ins and outs, maybe invest further.

[X] Manage your finances
-[X] Invest another $4,406,000.00 with Warren, and spend $4,040,907.50 on shares in Stark Stark Cybernetics/Starkvalley.
 
Tarantio said:
... they also contributed on medical science a great deal (through immoral and horrible means, but they contributed a big deal and its a shame we sabotaged the exploitation of that research, I mean if so many innocent people died for it it should at least count for something)
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Goddammit. Why does non-consensual human experimentation have to be so conducive to scientific advancement : S

(Not that Raven is ever going to be able to support it and the military did seize a lot of their research but, I suppose that now that we've kicked them all out, they've all run to Mother Russia's "warm" embrace and now we are even more behind than before. At least our bombs are still better.)

Edit: Well, medical science anyway.
 
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(Not that Raven is ever going to be able to support it and the military did seize a lot of their research but, I suppose that now that we've kicked them all out, they've all run to Mother Russia's "warm" embrace and now we are even more behind than before. At least our bombs are still better.)

Edit: Well, medical science anyway.
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I feel kind of bad for mentioning it (plus we are getting off-topic) but it's worse than that.
If you are right, we gave the Russians access to biological welfare (nervine gas and other abominations), torture techniques for their operatives, psychological science experiments (like the one about the stress level a human can survive in captivity), genetic research, brainwashing techniques, military weapons (think flame towers) and a myriad of other research materials the nazi scientists tested on jews, polish, gipsy, and all the others non-arians and political prisoners.

Edited a few minor things so the post make more sense.
 
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[X] Yeah. You would like to see America in space. Also, a billionaire boy genius named Nathaniel Richards wants to talk.
Start Nasa early and meet Reed Richard time traveling dad. Lets try to see if we can advance technology earlier and get the internet started decades earlier. Also Nasa created technologies that benefited everyone. Plus time traveler.
[X] Register and attend university to study biology and manipulating microbiology.
[X] Take Charles with you
Lets go to school. A lot of possibilities here. We can have Charles help us. It would help with his depression to feel needed and not be so alone. With his help we could advance quickly and get him to see how our body heals. If we can figure out how to end cancer or any other medical problem, it could make us rich and help the world.
[X] Travel to Formosa as one of President Ike's helper/representative and see what's up.
Still a good idea if it is Taiwan. Can help us and we can still make some goodwill and capital.
[X] new language Mandarin Chinese , and travel to those new lands.
Lets visit Hong Kong, and it will help us when we visit Taiwan.
[X] Communicate with Howard's people and integrate into the military industrial complex.
Really I would like for us to do our job and try to slow down the build up of the military complex. Or at least try to limit its power. Also why I voted for going to Argentina.
[Free Action] Manage your finances [Ok invest 2 million with Warren if possible. Invest 6 million with Stark's limb company. Use 1.5 million to start a fund to help Women and Minorities attend University. Use another million to help those more academically inclined to attend university. Or donated to existing foundations that do that. We are rich lets use it too help people and get even more good will. Save rest for possible investment opportunities. ]
 
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