Quick boxing day poll: how will you approach this mission
[ ] Sewer Level
[ ] Front Entrance
[ ] Crate Attack
[ ] Write in (be specific)
 
I'd just drop down the batshaft, but since the purpose of this exercise is for Boreas to avoid a cycle of endless suffering,
[X] Crate Attack
 
Just found this quest. Pretty happy so far. Idea for bats:
We use the fog to learn to bat. Just like evaluating and recording any other pupil. Sound moving the air will move our fog too, and we can learn the echolocation noises. From there, we can basically make our fog give back wrong answers to the bats, and they just drop from the sky or fly whichever way we want after we effectively nav-hack them with false stimuli.
Is that a thing we can do?
 
Not without some sort of dedicated special components, no. You don't really have control over how your fog spreads, beyond being able to adjust the vents on your body to blow it around a bit.

The projections (once you have them) are stuck in your fog like waves in the ocean - they might push the edge a little bit, but aren't gonna be able to move the border significantly.
 
Crate Expectations
[X] Crate Attack

No point in knocking on the front door and letting them know you're here - you'll sneak in through a crate and try to sneak as far as you can. It takes a couple of days of observation to pick the perfect target - at first, you idly consider hiding in a fridge or something, but there doesn't seem to be any food delivery. Instead, you go for the raw materials. Ingram Mechaniloids has suppliers across the city, and you narrow in on Fabre Synsilk. It's a material that's flexible enough that you can squeeze into a crate of it, and, more importantly, it's a material that doesn't immediately get dumped into a vat of molten metal.

You stop by Fabre early in the morning, finding only a bored human security guard on duty. You use your fog to cast a long shadow of someone lurking just around the corner, and wait a couple minutes for him to finally notice and check it out. While he slowly ambles over to check it out, you sneak into a half-loaded crate of silk bound for Ingram.

You burrow down into the fabric, affixing a bit scanner to the inner wall and emitting a thin layer of fog. Fabre's sky claws obliviously pile more layers of fabric on top of you, then seal the crate. You're lifted onto a truck, and a long and bumpy ride takes you into Ingram Mechaniloids.

The scraps of fog that escape through the cracks give you glimpses of the area around you. A civvie reploid with a clipboard checking off shipments. The Krate Krab that grabs your container. A tube spitting out bats, overseen by a nervous honganmer. A conveyor belt separated from the walkway by a yellow strip of safety tape.

Your crate rocks as pinchers lift it onto the belt, and you take a guided tour of the first few stages of manufacturing, Krate Krabs break shipments apart, hinged platforms dump piles of rare alloys into gunyolks, and they in turn inject those metals into molds.

You are finally grabbed off the belt by what looks like an oversized bat with prehensile claws. It pops the top off the crate, and dumps the whole mass of synsilk into a waiting bin, leaving you wrapped at the bottom like a mummy. You take a few moments to extricate yourself and recover the scanner, then and peek up over the edge.

You estimate you're about a third of the way down, judging by how complete the battons are - the main shells have yet to be assembled, and you're sitting in the raw materials needed to even start on the wings.

Gunyolks continue working on the higher level, octorchpi weld on the lower one, and busy bats circle overhead. You haven't been spotted yet

What's your strategy heading to the bottom?
[ ] Keep to the catwalks, and out of the machinery. You'll be safe from an industrial accident, but more exposed.
[ ] Jump up to the conveyor belts. You'll be faster and sneakier, but run the risk of getting caught in the machinery.

What's your strategy
[ ] Aggressive. You've cut a lot of distance out by being quiet. Go loud and hit the bottom before they can muster an effective resistance.
[ ] Cautious. Stick with stealth, and try to avoid being spotted by anyone, even if you might put yourself in a dangerous area by doing so
[ ] Diplomatic. Walk down, and try to bluff if you're caught (catwalks only).
 
[x] Keep to the catwalks, and out of the machinery. You'll be safe from an industrial accident, but more exposed.
[x] Cautious. Stick with stealth, and try to avoid being spotted by anyone, even if you might put yourself in a dangerous area by doing so.
+Going down to the conveyor belt is asking to jump between conveniently placed crushing machinery and Boreas lacks the Slide move to do so effectively, hence why stealth should be more effective with his fog generator. Also, IIRC these bats were merely annoying, nevermind if the MC has good armor.
 
[X] Keep to the catwalks, and out of the machinery. You'll be safe from an industrial accident, but more exposed.
[X] Cautious. Stick with stealth, and try to avoid being spotted by anyone, even if you might put yourself in a dangerous area by doing so

HeavyBane's definitely right about us wanting a quick-movement skill before we start taking shortcut-related risks.
Besides that, I don't know if we can bluff our way down successfully on the get go. I'd rather us stick to stealth and try to bluff only if we get caught and are forced to.
 
[X] Keep to the catwalks, and out of the machinery. You'll be safe from an industrial accident, but more exposed.
[X] Cautious. Stick with stealth, and try to avoid being spotted by anyone, even if you might put yourself in a dangerous area by doing so

HeavyBane's definitely right about us wanting a quick-movement skill before we start taking shortcut-related risks.
Besides that, I don't know if we can bluff our way down successfully on the get go. I'd rather us stick to stealth and try to bluff only if we get caught and are forced to.

Honestly, we shouldn't pick the High Stealth + High Danger Approach and then the Low Stealth + Low Danger route. Doesn't make a lot of sense.

I think there's a tendency to greatly underestimate the power of social engineering. Most places, you'll go unmolested if you just act like you belong. Hell, we're not even lying if we say we're on our way to a meeting. Be chill enough, and they'll give us directions right to our target.

This works in real life. Most high-security setups get broken by people failing to be suspicious. One Reploid just walking around asking for directions, who's clearly already been checked by security (or how else would he have gotten here?) isn't going to make people freak out and pull the alarm or not shooting. This is just a normal day at the office for them. They don't know who that guy is, but hey, it's a big factory, and there's only one entrance, so he's probably fine.

If we're seen skulking around and being shifty, however, then people might start raising the alarm.

Remember, Hermes doesn't seem to be paranoid like Joe was. People aren't on alert for this kind of intrusion. If we keep our cool and act like we belong, we have much better odds of success than trying to lurk in the shadows in a building full of bats.

[X] Keep to the catwalks, and out of the machinery. You'll be safe from an industrial accident, but more exposed.
[X] Diplomatic. Walk down, and try to bluff if you're caught (catwalks only).
 
[X] Keep to the catwalks, and out of the machinery. You'll be safe from an industrial accident, but more exposed.
[X] Cautious. Stick with stealth, and try to avoid being spotted by anyone, even if you might put yourself in a dangerous area by doing so
 
[X] Keep to the catwalks, and out of the machinery. You'll be safe from an industrial accident, but more exposed.
[X] Cautious. Stick with stealth, and try to avoid being spotted by anyone, even if you might put yourself in a dangerous area by doing so
 
I'm disappointed in you guys. Social Engineering is where like 90% of actual security breaches IRL come from. Just act like you belong and nobody's gonna question you. It works.

And let's not forget that the options themselves make it pretty explicitly clear that the Catwalks and Stealth Approach have anti-synergy with each other. It's probably the option likeliest to have us noticed trying to hide, and then fighting basically the whole way... which kind of negates the point of stealth.
 
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I'm disappointed in you guys. Social Engineering is where like 90% of actual security breaches IRL come from. Just act like you belong and nobody's gonna question you. It works.
we're a white fox reploid in a parka in an automatic factory where no new hires have been hired for a long enough time that the few people that do work here would probably be able to tell we're not supost to be here. We stand out a bit.
 
we're a white fox reploid in a parka in an automatic factory where no new hires have been hired for a long enough time that the few people that do work here would probably be able to tell we're not supost to be here. We stand out a bit.
We need to get a fancy suit to wear on our missions from now on. You always look important/like you belong if you're wearing a nice suit. Gotta hit that costume upgrade after this mission's done.

Looking professional in general is a plus, too. People will take us more seriously.
 
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I dunno, going around with a fabulous suit while being a human-sized walking white fox, complete with a large diamond on the forehead that many Reploids share, may make people take us even less seriously, as the mental image looks a bit ridiculous*.

If Boreas doesn't mind butchering his face (again), he could try streamlining his to resemble a regular humanoid, but it's not advisable.

*On the other hand, Zero has long, silky hair and noticeable "manboobs" with light-bulbs, so perhaps people are more tolerant of Reploids looking goofy. :V
 
I'm disappointed in you guys. Social Engineering is where like 90% of actual security breaches IRL come from. Just act like you belong and nobody's gonna question you. It works.

90% of statistics quoted on the internet are made up.

A bit further, social engineering tends to refer to cyberattacks and verbal manipulation more than physical 'hide-in-plain-sight' stealth. I'm not saying it doesn't work or wouldn't in this situation, I'm just saying it's risky. It's a funny visual, but it's as practical as walking in front of a speeding car and expecting it to stop before it hits you. You might be right, but it's not worth the risk of you being wrong.

We also don't know what kind of counter-intelligence anybody has against us. You never know who tipped off who to be on the look out for the fox reploid who steals faces.
 
90% of statistics quoted on the internet are made up.

A bit further, social engineering tends to refer to cyberattacks and verbal manipulation more than physical 'hide-in-plain-sight' stealth. I'm not saying it doesn't work or wouldn't in this situation, I'm just saying it's risky. It's a funny visual, but it's as practical as walking in front of a speeding car and expecting it to stop before it hits you. You might be right, but it's not worth the risk of you being wrong.

We also don't know what kind of counter-intelligence anybody has against us. You never know who tipped off who to be on the look out for the fox reploid who steals faces.
We literally just started this job last week. I seriously doubt that Hermes has his ear to the ground for us just yet.
I dunno, going around with a fabulous suit while being a human-sized walking white fox, complete with a large diamond on the forehead that many Reploids share, may make people take us even less seriously, as the mental image looks a bit ridiculous*.

If Boreas doesn't mind butchering his face (again), he could try streamlining his to resemble a regular humanoid, but it's not advisable.

*On the other hand, Zero has long, silky hair and noticeable "manboobs" with light-bulbs, so perhaps people are more tolerant of Reploids looking goofy. :V
I'm hard-pressed to believe it would look any sillier than a parka. A parka is objectively one of the silliest articles of clothing anyone can wear.
 
We literally just started this job last week. I seriously doubt that Hermes has his ear to the ground for us just yet.

News travels fast. Also, Boreas still stands out like a sore thumb due his literal snowflake-white visage, especially if no new workers have been hired so far. On the plus side, mechaniloids are dumb enough they may ignore us if we leave them alone.

I'm hard-pressed to believe it would look any sillier than a parka. A parka is objectively one of the silliest articles of clothing anyone can wear.

I disagree. A parka has its uses for cold environments. Granted, Boreas doesn't really need that, but he probably looks more natural with a parka than with an expensive tuxedo (unless it's white as well or something like that).
 
[X] Keep to the catwalks, and out of the machinery. You'll be safe from an industrial accident, but more exposed.
[X] Diplomatic. Walk down, and try to bluff if you're caught (catwalks only).

For the lie I suggest something about being part of a coming expansion to the line involving high amounts of cooling, and if people raise a fuss noting that the outside security would've stopped us if we weren't supposed to be here.
 
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