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Marvel's Eternals

Gog said:
Given the issues with pacing, characterization, and exposition tbh I feel like this would have worked a lot better as like a limited series than a film. It wasn't bad but like eh maybe 6/10 IMO.
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Pretty much anytime you look like you'll significantly exceed a two hour run time, you probably need to stop and ask yourself if the project would be better as a TV series.
 
Which is weird considering how much they were pushing Disney+, you'd think putting it on there would be a no-brainer.
 
Gog said:
For sure, I can only sit still so long lol. The cult of the blockbuster has really been damaging.
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People will pay as much for a single movie as they do for an entire month of streaming subscription. I imagine there's simply more profit in it - or at least easier profit in it. Certainly dramatically more profit per hour of content you need to produce.
 
The Disney+ series have also been pretty mixed so far. Loki was solid, Wandavision was pretty good but effectively padded by its pastiches, and Falcon and the Winter Soldier was a hot mess after having its story's spine ripped out and rewritten in the wake of the pandemic. We'll have to see what Hawkeye does, but Disney is having some teething issues adapting the MCU formula to streaming still.
 
eh I thought the average series was better than the average MCU formulaic movie at least, which to me are growing more tired and uninteresting.
 
I just came back from seeing it. I thought it was a Perfectly Okay movie, nothing particularly awful but hardly Marvel's best.

1. Am I the only one who thought it was hilarious that a character whose name sounds like "Cersei" was in a love triangle between two guys who played Starks on Game of Thrones?

2. Is it just me, or did Kit Harrington smile more in this movie than he did in all of GoT, even though he was barely in it?

3. Pitch Meetings was right, why the hell wasn't this a Disney+ series?

4. Also, I personally would have preferred it if the movie was about them fighting Eternals across thousands of years of Earth's history. It would have been interesting to show them in different historical settings, especially if they could work in some easter eggs from other Marvel characters around in the past.
 
WTF? Why is this even a thing for the far right?! :wtf: Here's their explanation why Eternals isn't a great movie.
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thefederalist.com

Lefties Ruined ‘The Eternals’ And Superhero Films In General

Leftism will ruin a good story, like 'The Eternals,' because it substitutes a utopian, simplified vision for the world as it actually is.
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"The Eternals" is a great example of how this works. First, it attempted to feature characters of as many different races as possible. Rather than add to the richness and uniqueness of these characters, this decision seemed to do the opposite—they were flat and unmemorable.

... [T]his is the result of too many characters competing for screen time. Even with a nearly three-hour runtime, there is not enough time to develop so many characters sufficiently. Instead of seeing a handful of characters interact with one another, work through internal conflicts, or grow in any meaningful way, you simply have a pageant of individuals showing off their muscles and superpowers against an equally shallow supervillain.

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Another problem with infusing identity politics is the inevitable tokenism, the inclusion of different minorities for the purpose of virtue signaling and nothing else. In one way, tokenism makes too much of identity, assuming race or sexual orientation can make up for an undeveloped, unrealistic character. They are simply included because it's politically correct to do so, nothing more.

"The Eternals" adopts the very worst aspects of tokenism. The main characters fight, and they look good doing it. That's it. Their personal struggles are minimized and their growth is nonexistent. Like Rey from the latest Star Wars trilogy or Captain Marvel, they have nothing to learn because they are awesome already. And if audiences have a problem with this, they better check their privilege and stop being prejudiced.

In addition to the paper-thin characters, the infusion of progressivism also leads to simple, predictable plots. The conflict is always external with some antagonist always trying to destroy or take over the world. The good guys are fighting the bad guys, and nuance is nowhere to be found. The difficult questions of responsibility, freedom, the nature of evil, and even identity are minimized. It's basically the narrative form of "punch a Nazi."

That's why one doesn't even need to watch "The Eternals" to know what will happen. They are superheroes who will fight a supervillain in order to save the world. Why now and not before? Why don't they just take over the world themselves? What makes them good and the other side bad? Where do they come from and what is their purpose? And how do they feel about it? None of this is answered because it would complicate the narrative and challenge simplistic leftist thinking.

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Unfortunately for those movie critics desperately hoping otherwise, the superhero genre is not dead. It can be revived at any time, and probably will be once moviemakers in Hollywood decide they want to make money again. Just as the superhero genre came to the top two decades ago when filmmakers decided to abandon the childish campiness that formerly characterized the genre, it can emerge supreme once again when it abandons the childish leftism infecting it today.
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Flectarn said:
It was good, welcome tonal shift from other recent MCU stuff, it'll be interesting to see how it gets tied back in with the rest. Kept expecting a random avenger to pop in to help, or nick fury wondering what the hell was going on, and I'm glad it didn't happen. Fun that Kingo has the Captain America USO shield.
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Well, the very last post-credit scene has Cerci's human love interest opening up a cursed sword (probably to become Moon Knight, from what people more knowedgable about comics than me are saying), but he's stopped at the last second by a voice that sounds very much like Nick Fury.
 
SerGregness said:
Well, the very last post-credit scene has Cerci's human love interest opening up a cursed sword (probably to become Moon Knight, from what people more knowedgable about comics than me are saying), but he's stopped at the last second by a voice that sounds very much like Nick Fury.
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Actually incorrect on both counts.

The boyfriend is meant to become the Black Knight, an admittedly lesser-known Marvel character, while the voice was officially confirmed to have been the voice of Blade the vampire hunter.
 
The single most perfectly average movie I've ever seen. The true platonic ideal of a generic film.
 
silentorphan said:
Here's their explanation why Eternals isn't a great movie.
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...that seems like it was written by somebody who hasn't seen the movie.

I thought it was perfectly fine; it's an MCU movie and doesn't try too hard to be something more, but it does try to be a good movie and succeeds at that, in my opinion.

The characters are interesting enough compared to other "only appeared in one movie" Marvel characters even if they and the story both would have certainly benefited from having the six hours runtime of Loki to be developed in more depth, and there wasn't anything at all objectionable in the entire thing. Also, in my personal experience, it didn't even feel particularly long; it didn't fly by the way Endgame did for me (I still feel shocked how light and fast that one felt despite being so long), but I didn't really think it was dragging at any point, none of the scenes felt too long or boring, and I found the plot perfectly easy to follow. On the other hand, for all I know that's up to the dub being good; I doubt it, but since I've read a lot of people dissing the script when the dialogue seemed perfectly functional to me, that's a possibility. I can image some points being confusing if they aren't conveyed clearly.

Between knowing the Eternals' mythology and the movie not trying to be subtle, it really only surprised me once and it was very minor, but I can see how somebody who didn't knew the mythology or was less observant might be shocked by a couple of the twists, although not by all unless they're very young. Overall, it felt to me like it was solidly in the middle of the MCU movies; it certainly wasn't bad, and there certainly are MCU films which are worse.
 
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I will say that I really do love the visuals of the Celestials and generally regard the Celestials as Marvel's coolest aliens aesthetically.
 
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