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VolantRedX said:
Except a gun here would allow him to kill several men at range without risk after he's closed the distance.
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That's the thinking of someone who is not Donnie Yen.

Do not ask the Sparrow how the Eagle soars.
VolantRedX said:
I mean usually in martial arts movies there's a valid reason why the fighters don't have guns
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The reason is he is Donnie Yen and beyond such crutches.
VolantRedX said:
It just breaks the logic of the scene.
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The logic of the scene is that men with their guns, grew too confident and like Icarus flew to close to the sun, melting their wings. The Sun here represented by Donnie Yen and their wings represented by their Fragile Bodies.
 
Or if you want an explanation that's boring: Because he's a martial arts murder machine and guns require actual training to use effectively. Saying that some dude who is untrained should pick up a gun and try to win a shootout with trained soldiers when he can close (which he did) and murder the fuck out of everyone (which he definitely did), isn't actually a real nitpick, even aside from the cultural, thematic and awesome elements of him destroying them with Chinese martial arts.

He effectively utilized his skill set and that skill set is "Murder".
 
This way, he saves bullets for the guys running up in his wake. It's just conservation.
 
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From the early press reviews, the first 4 episodes that they were shown are good, though that could easily change in the following episodes of course.

HeWhoAdds said:
Wait, I kinda liked Danny Rand in that trailer. WTF is this black magic?
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And from those same early press reviews, they apparently made Danny Rand a lot more tolerable here.
 
Ant221 said:
It's not black magic. Iron Fist itself was a good show, makes sense that the Danny Rand character would be good in the trailer for this show too.

I'm looking forward to Friday.
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One day, you will stop reflexively defending Iron Fist when random people make so much as a peep against it.

Obviously this day is not today, but hope springs eternal.
 
Ant221 said:
It's not black magic. Iron Fist itself was a good show, makes sense that the Danny Rand character would be good in the trailer for this show too.
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Ant221 said:
Iron Fist itself was a good show,
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Completely leaving aside any objective considerations of Iron Fist's quality, I didn't enjoy it or find Danny Rand in any way engaging, relatable, or fun. Hence, when I found him likable in the trailer, I expressed my shock.

Please don't tell me my subjective experiences are wrong. That's not how these things work.

Nidhoggr said:
From the early press reviews, the first 4 episodes that they were shown are good, though that could easily change in the following episodes of course.
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I, too, have seen Luke Cage. :p

Honestly, though, that's great to hear. I've enjoy most of the Defenders standalone shows, so hopefully the teamup is as cool.

Nidhoggr said:
And from those same early press reviews, they apparently made Danny Rand a lot more tolerable here.
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That's also really great to hear. I WANT to like Iron Fist, but...
 
Ant221 said:
Never. The first season was good and nothing anyone else says will ever convince me otherwise.
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That's cool, but can you allow people to state their subjective experiences and opinions if they aren't adressed to you? If no one is trying to convince you, why are you trying to convince others?
 
Ant221 said:
Never. The first season was good and nothing anyone else says will ever convince me otherwise. I look forward to season 2 of Iron Fist
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You are free to enjoy as many dumpster fires as you like, but how about not passionately leaping to its defense when someone else makes a quiet remark about the strange smelling smoke you're violently huffing into your lungs?

Iron Fist was a mediocre trash heap, and perhaps rather than trying to defend that trash heap you could take a good long look at why people don't sing its praises and hope that Defenders remedies the character enough that his toxic presence doesn't damage the entire season.
 
Spartan Altego said:
You are free to enjoy as many dumpster fires as you like, but how about not passionately leaping to its defense when someone else makes a quiet remark about the strange smelling smoke you're violently huffing into your lungs?

Iron Fist was a mediocre trash heap, and perhaps rather than trying to defend that trash heap you could take a good long look at why people don't sing its praises and hope that Defenders remedies the character enough that his toxic presence doesn't damage the entire season.
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Iron Fist was not a mediocre trash heap like you seem to think it was. Nor was it a dumpster fire either.
 
Ant221 said:
Iron Fist was not a mediocre trash heap like you seem to think it was. Nor was it a dumpster fire either.
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Iron Fist is a failure on a narrative, audience, and technical level. Its fight scenes were shoddy jokes that gave no illusion of skill to the actor and undermined the entire concept of the Iron Fist being formidable. Its villains were so unremarkable I can't even remember their names. Danny Rand is an unlikable brat performed with supreme woodenness.

It is yards behind Luke Cage, and light-years away from Daredevil and Jessica Jones. Those three series succeeded in giving me a protagonist to care about, a villain to remember, and fight sequences that didn't make me want to go watch paint dry for more intense and coherent scenes. Even its intro sequence is the weakest of the bunch.

Huff the fumes of all the trash fires you want, but stop acting surprised that other people turn their nose up at the scent of shit when they smell it.
 
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Spartan Altego said:
Iron Fist is a failure on a narrative, audience, and technical level. Its fight scenes were shoddy jokes that gave no illusion of skill to the actor and undermined the entire concept of the Iron Fist being formidable. Its villains were so unremarkable I can't even remember their names. Danny Rand is an unlikable brat performed with supreme woodenness.

It is yards behind Luke Cage, and light-years away from Daredevil and Jessica Jones. Those three series succeeded in giving me a protagonist to care about, a villain to remember, and fight sequences that didn't make me want to go watch paint dry for more intense and coherent scenes. Even its intro sequence is the weakest of the bunch.

Huff the fumes of all the trash fires you want, but stop acting surprised that other people turn their nose up at the scent of shit when they smell it.
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I liked Iron Fist more than Luke Cage as that show went down once Cottonmouth died and in my opinion Iron Fist is a good show, not the best show. But it's good.
 
I'm a fairly big Iron Fist fan and I really have mixed feelings on his MCU version.

Probably the biggest problem it has is its budget. Somehow, somewhere, at some point, it's rather evident that Fist's budget had a double barrel applied to each kneecap. And it shows - the production value is irritatingly jank and it is rather evident at times that they did not get to do as many takes as they wanted. Large sections of the story also feel pretty rushed, for that matter.

The second thing I'm not a fan of is the direction they decided to go with him. Danny Rand is supposed to be one of the nicest people you'll ever meet. Here... well, he's pretty much like every other MCU main character - a douche. And then there's the tone. I get what they were trying to go for, but The Living Weapon was, in my opinion, not the Iron Fist run to emulate on tone. Like dammit, is happiness a forbidden commodity here?

Now, the series did do a fair few things I liked - Madame Gao, Davos and the later stage Meachums. But so much of it is buried under the annoyances. Really hoping a season 2, if it gets one, gets proper funding and a dash of happiness.
 
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