Uh, wrong thread? That and EGDB killed Azathoth.
Maaaybe. "Demonbane" would actually be a pretty apropos name for this commander, though.
Accessing root personality matrix.
Um, huh. That's one way to do this, and I'll note that you appear to have better support for AI construction / modification than most of these commanders. That might come in handy later.

Although it would be amusing if, later on, it turns out that this modification was irrelevant. There needs to be a mechanism for anger and hatred empowering Khorne, after all... and it's probably the warp soul, which you might not have.
 
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Autocthon gets my vote!

I REALLY want to see a Commander get stuck in some fantasy settings, forced to come up with his/her own scientific/technological discoveries, while developing magic/psychic abilities similar to Hex!
 
Basilisks have some point defense fire sometimes...

Also! Names!!

Golem
Bolo
Talos
Bishop
Solo
Marax
Merlin
Mycroft
Vision
Trent
Nomad
Kitt
Frost
Lore
Pete
HK
Icarus
Ibis
Durandal
Angel
Tenshi
Catalyst
Tycho
Xerxes
Deus
 
'This mustn't register on an emotional level,' the combat doctrine.
I hoped I was making the right decision. God, I hoped so.
Rant Warning

You realise that only matters if you have a soul and psychic presence? if the Commander doesn't then it is utterly irrelevent and since Men of Iron and other AGIs generally are soulless the chances of a commander having a warp presence is tiny.

If he does indeed have a soul then the energy generated by one person is insignificant so this really doesn't achieve anything except to switch the emotional affinity from Khorne to one of the others.

It is also literally impossible for a being with any emotions and any active psychic presence* at all to avoid feeding the Ruinous Powers at least at bit, that is why they are so powerfull and effectively indestructible. At the level of one person the energy generated is insignificant so this really doesn't achieve anything except to switch the emotional affinty from Khorne to one of the others.

*Pariahs are an exceptions as they have a negative psychic presence.

Rant All Clear

Sorry to rant but the assumptions about the metaphysics were bugging me, of course the SI could just be wrong IC in which case carry on.:p
 
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You realise that only matters if you have a soul and psychic presence? if the Commander doesn't then it is utterly irrelevent and since Men of Iron and other AGIs generally are soulless the chances of a commander having a warp presence is tiny.

If he does indeed have a soul then the energy generated by one person is insignificant so this really doesn't achieve anything except to switch the emotional affinity from Khorne to one of the others.

It is also literally impossible for a being with any emotions and any active psychic presence* at all to avoid feeding the Ruinous Powers at least at bit, that is why they are so powerfull and effectively indestructible. At the level of one person the energy generated is insignificant so this really doesn't achieve anything except to switch the emotional affinty from Khorne to one of the others.

*Pariahs are an exceptions as they have a negative psychic presence.

Sorry to rant but the assumptions about the metaphysics were bugging me, of course the SI could just be wrong IC in which case carry on.:p
I saw it as more of a Khorne thing in this particular instance.

"The Blood God cares not from where the blood flows! Only that there is blood!"

Been reading up Khorne's wiki. He explicitly draws power from acts of murder committed in anger. No anger on my part, no gains on Khorne's part, or at least, that's my logic. And it's better than letting other, more easily corruptible people do the purging. I might be overreacting. If so, egg on my face, I'll smile, I'll laugh, and I'll probably keep the Warface around anyway. If I'm right...well. Better safe than sorry, and all that.

But seriously, this kind of thing helps a ton. I ain't the biggest 40k buff on the block, so, please, by all means, let me know when something doesn't quite gel with established canon.
 
I will gladly surrender myself for questioning once all this is taken care of.

I never understand why you need to do that as that will practically removed a position of strength from you. In fact, it make it seem like you are under their authority. I understand wanting to lead that universe into a brighter future, but you are saying you would gladly surrender yourself for questioning to the Imperium of Mankind. Chaos may be fuck up, but so is humanity and practically every other civilizations in that galaxy. So, you are surrendering yourself to the Inquisition or other horrible organizations in the Imperium for questioning.

I really don't see how that is a bright idea.

And once they realize what you are, well there is nothing like optimism to go up in flames, and death, lots and lots of death.

So, yeah, try to be the Imperium's friend and let see how you convince them that you are not an AI or an xeno.
 
Been reading up Khorne's wiki. He explicitly draws power from acts of murder committed in anger. No anger on my part, no gains on Khorne's part, or at least, that's my logic.

Since it requires the unlawful killing of another, there's no actual murder either.

You're just killing enemies who were threatening people worth saving, and that's definitely lawful. Even if you let your emotions run high, it still doesn't power Khorne.
 
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I never understand why you need to do that as that will practically removed a position of strength from you. In fact, it make it seem like you are under their authority. I understand wanting to lead that universe into a brighter future, but you are saying you would gladly surrender yourself for questioning to the Imperium of Mankind. Chaos may be fuck up, but so is humanity and practically every other civilizations in that galaxy. So, you are surrendering yourself to the Inquisition or other horrible organizations in the Imperium for questioning.

I really don't see how that is a bright idea.

And once they realize what you are, well there is nothing like optimism to go up in flames, and death, lots and lots of death.

So, yeah, try to be the Imperium's friend and let see how you convince them that you are not an AI or an xeno.
He's not actually gonna surrender, he's just placating the imperial commander.
I'm not actually surrendering. Just a human-sized mech for negotiations that can be scrapped in a heartbeat if things go sideways. Ignorance is the real enemy in 40k. That's why I'mma be dropping some lore bombs. Hopefully they spread to someone important's ears.

And no, I don't actually aspire to much. I'm a follower, not a leader. One of my first orders of business is finding a representative who can provide direction to me. If the locals start getting uppity, well, I'll just have to start getting a little rude.
 
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In next chapter's can we get Conversion Beamer and or /Volkitte/graviton/Rad/grav weapon?
Since this isn't an Astartes or Mechanicus force, I'd say the chances of those being there are extremely small. I don't own the IG codex, so they may be options, but as a general rule the fancy stuff either goes to the Space Marines or Techpriests who happen to be there at the time. The guard just has to make do with lascannons, bolters, and whatever is on their tanks for their heavy weapons.
 
As I said in the other thread... what are various options of using Necron pylon/super gellar fields tech, like the Cadian Pylon, to close up the Eye of Terror and most other large warp rifts and warp storms in the galaxy? Ideally simultaneously? What would the ramifications of that be? Would that cut off all sentients with souls from their souls (ie, Warp bits)?
 
As I said in the other thread... what are various options of using Necron pylon/super gellar fields tech, like the Cadian Pylon, to close up the Eye of Terror and most other large warp rifts and warp storms in the galaxy? Ideally simultaneously? What would the ramifications of that be? Would that cut off all sentients with souls from their souls (ie, Warp bits)?
No, that's like everybody dying of dehydration because you filled in the Gulf of Mexico. The warp isn't something people are made of, it's something people make, kindofsortof, so they'd be fine. Certainly better than when they're under the threat of Daemonic face eating at any time, to be sure.
 
As I said in the other thread... what are various options of using Necron pylon/super gellar fields tech, like the Cadian Pylon, to close up the Eye of Terror and most other large warp rifts and warp storms in the galaxy? Ideally simultaneously? What would the ramifications of that be? Would that cut off all sentients with souls from their souls (ie, Warp bits)?
Closing up the Eye of Terror probably wouldn't affect the universe that much. However when you cut the Warp out completely thats when you will have big problems.
 
I thought canon had it as closing the eye of terror was, metaphysically, a Bad Idea, and that was one of the ways the Necrons could win?
 
I thought canon had it as closing the eye of terror was, metaphysically, a Bad Idea, and that was one of the ways the Necrons could win?
The Eye of Terror is a Open gateway into the warp, kinda like a open doorway with the warp melding together with realspace.

The Necrons wanted to separate the warp completely from the material plane. Which would at least rip everyone's soul from within their bodies.
 
How were they planning on doing it? And is the soul within the body, or merely... uh... what's the word? Coterminal? with the equivalent location in the warp, or what?
 
How were they planning on doing it? And is the soul within the body, or merely... uh... what's the word? Coterminal? with the equivalent location in the warp, or what?
The thing is that was the old lore, before when the Necrons were soulless and traveled the galaxy without going through the warp.

Now GW has changed things and..... its a mess right now. :???:
 
Well, what parts of Oldcron lore and Newcron lore can both be true? Like 'there are groups of Necrons that don't seem to be led by small amounts of sentients, that make use of technology that other groups of necrons tend to not do'

What is the main difference in Oldcron and Newcron lore? Especially tech-base and personality and level of sentience/sapience?

Can Tomb Worlds delete all the nobility and still act like Oldcrons? What was with the hyperspace lane thing? Or have a tomb world without nobility in the first place? Can the two exist side by side? In what way might that happen?

Which groups of necrons DID hack into the webway? Which didn't? Which have hyperdrives? Etc. etc.

What's the difference in C'Tan lore from oldcron vs newcron? Could both coexist?
 
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Chapter 4
Still not quite content with this one, but, you know how it goes. C'est la vie. Maybe you guys can think of the thing I haven't thought of that I need.

Chapter 4

The first things I'd sent into orbit had been a few small, insignificant Hermes space probes. Tiny little things, they were fast, and could give me a better look at what was going on space-side.

To put it mildly, space…wasn't looking good.

The shattered wrecks of once mighty vessels tumbled in orbit, all that remained of the forces of the Imperial Navy defense fleet. A mere handful of the redoubtable Imperial vessels still contested with Chaos warships for space superiority. Judging by the profiles…a single battlecruiser, a light cruiser, and three frigates were all that was left, and none of them were in anything even resembling good shape.

And opposing them were the ships of Khorne. They hadn't emerged unscathed from the conflict either, but there were still three cruisers and six frigates left. Not good.

Luckily for me (or unluckily, depending on how you sliced it), unlike his fellow Chaos gods, Khorne despised sorcery and trickery of any kind, much preferring instead to use his vessels solely as chariots to bring his bloodthirsty hordes to the next fight. What that meant was that while they didn't have as many special tricks and gimmicks as other Chaos warships, the great vessels were relentlessly ferocious, charging into opposing ship formations to overwhelm them with boarding craft in order to slaughter them in their vessels to satisfy the endless sanguine thirst of their dark god.

From what I could tell, most of the damage taken by the destroyed vessels had been exactly that; the Khornate fleet had used their guns to bring down the Void shields, and then swarms of boarding craft had penetrated the hulls to disgorge Khorne's assault troops.

Crystallized blood seemed to glitter in the rays of the orange sun as one of my probes maneuvered through a wreck. There were…a lot of bodies floating up here. A lot of bodies. And there would be a hell of a lot more if I didn't do something.

But what?

I wasn't sure how much help I could be up here. Where Planetary Annihilation outdid its contenders on the ground, so too did Warhammer 40k surpass theirs in space. No one else had quite a reputation for building big like the Imperium did. Imperial ship-building doctrine revolved around putting a giant gun in space, slapping some heavy-duty armor and engines on that gun, adding another metric fuckton of guns, and building a fuck-mothering cathedral on top of that, and calling it good. Some ships had been in service since the Horus Heresy, 10,000 years ago, some from possibly even further back.

For fuck's sake, their godsdamned frigates were over a kilometer in length. That was bigger than some settings' dreadnoughts. The biggest ships I could create were barely a few times bigger than their fighters, and none of my units even had shields. So yeah, I was in a bit of a pickle. It didn't matter if I owned the planet or not; if I couldn't establish an orbital foothold and turn the fight around in favor of the Imperium, everyone would die all the same. Plus, there was the not-insignificant problem of, "Still gotta convince the Navy not to shoot at me either!" Le sigh.

Fortunately for me, again, ROB had done me a solid, compared to the other Commanders. (Didn't even come close to making up for me being in Warhammer 40k, but I'd take what I could get!) He had given me the schematics for every single unit that had ever been released in the game. Not just the original Planetary Annihilation units. He had given me the Titans expansion pack, and everything in it. Even the designs for a Metal Planet. And the Annihilaser that came with it. But, alas, that wasn't meant to be in this fight. Too expensive, and too time consuming, and coming from me, that was saying something. I also had the strangest feeling the natives wouldn't take kindly to me turning their only moon into a planet-busting superweapon...or maybe they would. I'd bring it up later.

No, another schematic would have to suffice here, instead.

The Helios. The invasion Titan. The one space-capable Titan in PA's arsenal, and possibly my most major contribution to a space battle.

Had this not been 40k, I'd have said it looked like a giant flying Starmie. A giant flying Starmie that shot some impressively-sized artificial lightning bolts and had a teleportation beam in the empty center. Perfect for bringing the wrath of god (and your waiting army) to an enemy planet-side. With a little work, I didn't see why I couldn't make it start blasting opponents in space as well. And the teleporter! I could think of more than a few ways to use that thing offensively. Might even make for a good trump card.

But there was a problem. This was 40k. And thusly, the Helios didn't look like a Starmie to me anymore. It now looked kind of like the eight-sided star of Chaos. And considering that, if I wasn't mistaking my canon for my fanon, the Men of Iron had been corrupted by Chaos because a spot in their circuitry happened to resemble said star. (On that note, I did a quick check of my systems for anything similar; nothing turned up, so there was that going for me, at least.)

You really could not be too careful when it came to the possibility of Chaos corruption, 'cuz it was some bull. Sheeit.

If Chaos got their grubby little mitts on me, the Imperium, and the rest of the galaxy, would die. I wasn't about that life. The current schematic needed to go.

So, I opened up my handy-dandy unit designer and made a few minor tweaks. The initial design had been, for the most part, purely aesthetic, with some functionality. It needed spires for the lighting attacks, and an enclosed ring for the teleporter. So, I shaved off a few spires, branched the others off until it resembled more of a high-tech snowflake instead of a star of EVUL, turned the circle into a square, and bam, problem identified and solved in a few microseconds. I could be bullshit too!

I needed to step up my production. Aside from a few raids by Chaos that had been rapidly discouraged by massed laser-turret fire and nanobot swarms dissolving them into more resources, things had been all quiet on the home front, allowing me to build in relative peace. And I sure needed it; my economy was not nearly big enough to field the multitudes of warships I would need.

Miles upon miles of unclaimed ground were repurposed for the much more important fight in space. More metal extractors and energy plants were built and upgraded to T2 to feed my hungry war machine. Nuclear missiles were assembled and stored in their silos, awaiting my fatal command. They would be the first strike against the enemy's Void shields. Anchor defense satellites spread out over the planet, sniping enemy troop dropships as they flitted about; what few managed to dodge my fighter squadrons, that is.

My orbital launchers launched my orbital fabbers into orbit, which then proceeded to fabricate an orbital factory. (In orbit. In case you couldn't catch the redundancy thing I had going on here.) Then ten more. In those factories, Artemis railgun platforms and Omega battleships were queued up by the dozens; Avenger space-fighters, by the hundreds. My forces may have been massively outsized in space, but by the Emperor, I'd make up for it by outnumbering them a hundred to one, a thousand to one if I had to!

An entirely imagined chill ran through my circuits as my Hermes sent me an urgent ping. My mad scramble in the planet's orbit had not gone unnoticed.

Uh oh.
 
And I sure needed it; my economy was not nearly big enough to field the multitudes of warships I would need.
And I'm sure I needed it; my economy was not nearly sufficient / large enough to field the multitudes of warships I would need.
An entirely imagined chill ran through my circuits as my Hermes sent me an urgent ping. My mad scramble in the planet's orbit had not gone unnoticed.
Nah man, seriously. Fuck this guy, fuck him with an Annihilazor.
 
@Lazurman can't you scan the ship wrecks and the tech in them to have the designs for good ships of good size? You can even upgrade the existing tech with your own so the ships systems would be far beyond what is normal becoming like Pre-Age of Strife warships.
 
You'd need more than a scan... Those ships need crew, in huge quantities, with specialized skills, and have incredibly weird headed design, maintenance, and construction decisions that you'd have to puzzle out and make work or replace. It really depends on how BS your tech steal and design and engineering and secondary AI systems are.
 
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