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Ooh flying things-great targets for my archers and gunners.
I am not letting opium in period. Damn the money.
Lilly, Steel , and Spell
- Thread starter Theravis
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Ooh flying things-great targets for my archers and gunners.
I am not letting opium in period. Damn the money.
Dovahsith
Lost on the road of life
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- Manchester
I mean, i was joking, but now you are creating an untapped market.
Theravis
A Knight for those Suffering
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- West Michigan
Just as a quick explanation/thought exercise. Spain vs The Netherlands
Spanish troops are more numerous, have better equipment per man (Something Akin to the Model 1857 Rifled Musket, caplock grenades with shrapnel) but have poor morale. Their decently if not tremendously trained, but have issues with their pay, rations, etc. that make them considerably more likely to decide a fight just isn't worth it.
On the other side, the Dutch, man for man, fight far worse, better trained but with far less effective weapons, but have invested in a skilled Artillery Corps that is quite possibly best in the world.
Compare Gibraltar to Sicily.
At Gibraltar, the initial garrison was scattered or killed by artillery, but the reinforcements, despite not taking the city back, have not allowed a Dutch breakout because they're entirely willing to stand in trenches to negate the Dutch artillery advantage, and so long as they aren't out of range, getting cut to shreds in the open, they stand.
In Sicily, the rioters provided a IDEOLOGICAL reason for the garrison to fight, and even against fairly well equipped troops, and outnumbered by the mob, the Spanish stood, did tremendously well, and shattered the revolt quite quickly.
Spanish troops are more numerous, have better equipment per man (Something Akin to the Model 1857 Rifled Musket, caplock grenades with shrapnel) but have poor morale. Their decently if not tremendously trained, but have issues with their pay, rations, etc. that make them considerably more likely to decide a fight just isn't worth it.
On the other side, the Dutch, man for man, fight far worse, better trained but with far less effective weapons, but have invested in a skilled Artillery Corps that is quite possibly best in the world.
Compare Gibraltar to Sicily.
At Gibraltar, the initial garrison was scattered or killed by artillery, but the reinforcements, despite not taking the city back, have not allowed a Dutch breakout because they're entirely willing to stand in trenches to negate the Dutch artillery advantage, and so long as they aren't out of range, getting cut to shreds in the open, they stand.
In Sicily, the rioters provided a IDEOLOGICAL reason for the garrison to fight, and even against fairly well equipped troops, and outnumbered by the mob, the Spanish stood, did tremendously well, and shattered the revolt quite quickly.
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- Canada
That market OTl screwed over so many. I am not letting that happen, anyhow it is a few centuries too early for that.
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- Canada
um....that is to mean the Emperor does not care about the smallfolk. here it is the opposite.
Dovahsith
Lost on the road of life
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- Manchester
I suppose we'll just need to sell our other products, like modern guns (none of that Spanish garbage) to a different emperor....
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It also means that China is very large and difficult to govern, especially with a regime that doesn't have a whole lot of legitimacy,
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- Canada
Spanish guns are better, Theravis just said so.
And you will sell guns to avowed traditionalists?
>Ming
>No legitimacy
>wat
Dovahsith
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Spanish are better than Dutch. Not Redcoats who are according to @Theravis to be the best military in Europe. (Back me up on this....)Spanish guns are better, Theravis just said so.
And you will sell guns to avowed traditionalists?
As for selling of guns, so long as i don't deal with drugs openly, i doubt there will be an issue for too long. Probably just need to wait for you to do well.
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Well ok then.
I mean you are selling modern equipment that are not of the Middle kingdom to the people who cannot view the outside world with less contempt and believe their stuff is superior...even after getting knocked around and on the verge of destruction. the Qing were that dumb.
Theravis
A Knight for those Suffering
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- West Michigan
TBF, last time the Spanish sold guns, they all exploded.
But the British have THE world - class equipment, limited by manufacturer capabilities and numbers. The Dutch may have you outdone in artillery ATM though.
Dovahsith
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I'd rather the dumb people rule china. No offence, but you are a threat to my profit margins.
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- New York
I highly doubt that.
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- Canada
Said dumb people wont buy your stuff in the first place.
Dovahsith
Lost on the road of life
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- Manchester
Kinda beefing up support guns at the moment. Can focus on the heavier stuff later once i figure out the navy.
Dovahsith
Lost on the road of life
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- Manchester
OOC: Cromwell stole alot. Shame those bastard thieves are still on the loose, despite my bounties placed on their heads.
Theravis
A Knight for those Suffering
- Location
- West Michigan
They haven't rolled lot out. But apart from a few side cases.
Austria is close
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- New York
He stole three history books. That's it.
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- New York
Do we also have a Spanish player?
Theravis
A Knight for those Suffering
- Location
- West Michigan
Dovahsith
Lost on the road of life
- Location
- Manchester
And its a real pain in the ass to drag the industry to the point the theory can actually be tested.
Dovahsith
Lost on the road of life
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- Manchester
Along with the Grantville citizens working for him. Admittedly, they fled the country after i took control, but they certainly gave him an edge.
@Dovahsith, could you help an in-law out?
Theravis
A Knight for those Suffering
- Location
- West Michigan
I'm not going to give out military specs for anything still unrevealed, but they have an 1870 rifle minimum