We know the Prussian and French Space Empires are in existence with their own space armies, and we also know that a big shift of the robot age seems to have been after the Napoleonic Wars. So what about Russia and Austria? Do they have their own space empires? What are they like? And besides the US, is there another non-European country that has a space empire?
 
Have any machine models been discontinued? I get the impression that the designers have been pretty good at keeping designs general enough that they couldn't really become "obsolete", but that doesn't preclude experimental lines or outright engineering failures.

...Huh. Now that I think about it, are there any "experimental" machine builds? Is there a prototype Theodora Fusilier, First Of Her Name hanging around anywhere? If they do make experimental builds or prototypes, is it, like, hand-crafted tool-room prototypes to prove the high-level design, or do they do a ton of up-front engineering and then do production runs until they get it right?

Actually, machine brains can be transplanted, right? Is there an Adam hanging around the R&D labs that volunteers to get dropped into prototype bodies to make sure the mechanical bits all work before they start sending them out with uninitialized new-production brains?
 
So, machines often switch jobs. What happens if a machine decides they want to be a soldier if they're not built for it (or really any job that required special construction)? Do they just rebuild you? Are there boot camps, uploaded or physical, for machines not built with fighting knowledge from the box? Or is it simply Not Done?

Does the Concert have any particular funeral rites for machines? Reusing parts from the wounded and dead seems like common procedure when necessary, but aside from that how are the remains of machines treated?
 
What does mass media look like? Are there tv shows, radio periodicals, or is it all really fancy books and live action robot teleplay?

Did anyone build any artificial intelligences that were not robots? Alternatively, have they build any robots that are not intelligent (robot dogs?).

What is the largest and most modern ship in the Navy, and correspondingly, the oldest one?
 
Excellent setting, I very much like it.

I've noticed that ground vehicles here tend to be "horses", or "horse"-drawn or propelled. Is that just a quirk of the setting, to make it more Regency-like? Or do they have some sort of a block on self-propelled vehicles? And has anyone built a "horseless" carriage? My money's on the Americans, personally.
 
Excellent setting, I very much like it.

I've noticed that ground vehicles here tend to be "horses", or "horse"-drawn or propelled. Is that just a quirk of the setting, to make it more Regency-like? Or do they have some sort of a block on self-propelled vehicles? And has anyone built a "horseless" carriage? My money's on the Americans, personally.
It's an alternate terminology thing. Any personal vehicle is called a horse, even if it doesn't actually involve the animal at all.

A bunch of the horses are actually just hoverbikes, for example.
 
Excellent setting, I very much like it.

I've noticed that ground vehicles here tend to be "horses", or "horse"-drawn or propelled. Is that just a quirk of the setting, to make it more Regency-like? Or do they have some sort of a block on self-propelled vehicles? And has anyone built a "horseless" carriage? My money's on the Americans, personally.
I think that the idea is that anything that moves is a horse? Like, speeder bikes and bicycles are horses, and tractors that tow trailers and carriages are also horses, so I think that a car would be a four-seat wheeled horse?
 
assorted worldbuild questions!
Which space empire is the biggest space empire? Why did they bother?
It's probably really hard to quantify, and not a terribly useful number. Space in this universe is absolutely lousy with habitable planets, or planets which can be made habitable easily. Some families can straight up afford to terraform their own planets. The Concert incredibly widespread in very tiny pockets, able to pick and choose what resources they exploit from infinite possibilities, though not all the civilizations within it do the British estate planet or American homesteading thing, and I bet a lot of them concentrate more of their human population in cities so like... hard to tell beyond simply pointing to population figures, which likely puts the biggest more-or-less unified states as the Qing, the Indian confederation, the German Confederation, Russia, Japan, and the Ottomans in rough order.

In that case, are there any Concert-space analogues to the Victorian Great Exposition and the general technophilia of a lot of Victorians eager to see what strange contraption some inventor would present next?
Not so much? At this point, the technology behind the Concert forms a giant invisible infrastructure somewhat distant from the interactions of regular people. The age of enormous, revolutionary changes in technology which rapidly shifts conceptions of the possible is somewhat on hold for the moment: technology is advancing steadily but its mostly refinements and improvements on existing capabilities rather than enormous leaps.

Actually, on the topic of the Americans; it's been noted that they also do the Machine Officer thing; do they do it for the same reason as the French (IE performative equality) or do they have another motivation? Or is it the same motivation, but their officers have more gumption than to just sort of take that sort of thing?

Also, how does Space Canada look in this setting? Or is there even a Space Canada in this?
The United States is something I'll get into later, but the situation there is pretty wild and very much the farthest outlier in the Concert regarding the relationship between humans and machines, as Bea alluded to in Farthest Reaches.

There is no Space Canada, or Space Australia, meaningfully distinct from the British Empire here. You might run into families descendent of Canadian or Australian settlers, but they're just another flavour of British accent.

There is, however, a Space Nation of Quebec.


We know the Prussian and French Space Empires are in existence with their own space armies, and we also know that a big shift of the robot age seems to have been after the Napoleonic Wars. So what about Russia and Austria? Do they have their own space empires? What are they like? And besides the US, is there another non-European country that has a space empire?
The Russian Empire exists and is Large, while Austria and other German-speaking states under Habsburg control are today part of the nebulous German Confederation, which contains 39 of the 40 German states. Prussia left and there's a missing star on the flag because of it in the ultimate passive-aggressive guilt trip.

There's all kinds of space empires out there, though I don't feel fully confident defining a lot of the specifics given what a mess imperialism had already made of the maps by our PoD.


Have any machine models been discontinued? I get the impression that the designers have been pretty good at keeping designs general enough that they couldn't really become "obsolete", but that doesn't preclude experimental lines or outright engineering failures.

...Huh. Now that I think about it, are there any "experimental" machine builds? Is there a prototype Theodora Fusilier, First Of Her Name hanging around anywhere? If they do make experimental builds or prototypes, is it, like, hand-crafted tool-room prototypes to prove the high-level design, or do they do a ton of up-front engineering and then do production runs until they get it right?

Actually, machine brains can be transplanted, right? Is there an Adam hanging around the R&D labs that volunteers to get dropped into prototype bodies to make sure the mechanical bits all work before they start sending them out with uninitialized new-production brains?
There is one machine type that isn't made much anymore! For a while, sailor machines were incredibly common, and some cheeky fellow named them Jack Tar after the common nickname for British sailors. Well, sea trade isn't a huge thing anymore. The line was modified for space travel, from which we get our William Stars. Some of the old sailors crew spaceships now, some find niche work where boats are used, and some maintain some of the old ships that still crisscross Earth's oceans as part of its tourist trap slash museum planet vibe.

There are Firsts Of Their Name machines hanging around: somewhere in a factory someplace is the very first Adam Wright, quietly working and embarrassed whenever people ask him for autographs and interviews. Prototypes are hand-crafted, but there hasn't been an outright new machine type in about a hundred and fifty years: machines now have the physical and psychological flexibility to expand the definitions of their jobs as needed.

Machines 100% can swap their hardware between bodies, and they can also move to new processors too but that's a bit more of an involved process (machine psychology is hardware-dependent, they aren't just programs you can copy and upload).

There almost certainly are test pilots and that's adorable, but also there's a bit of a Ship of Thesus thing going on with robot bodies now, part of the whole technology in a stage of refinement thing. There's production generations in broader terms which cover major overhauls and new systems, but the differences are more incremental than revolutionary, with a machine a year later being just a slight tweak from a machine now, until thirty years down the line when we see the differences between a modern Fusilier and Dora. This is very helpful considering how much machines rebuild themselves.



Has anyone formed a new civilization? Like the Republic of Doug!
Spoilers!

That said, if there's one actual rule that the Concert will 100% use state violence to enforce, its that you don't split the product line. The nightmare scenario for everyone in the Concert is somebody diverging either humans or machines to the point where they are distinct enough to cause a civilizational fracture. This was controversial for a very long while, but nowadays the vast majority of people very much support this line of thinking owing to all of them having a lot of Stuff that would be on the line in the event of a huge political upheaval.


So, machines often switch jobs. What happens if a machine decides they want to be a soldier if they're not built for it (or really any job that required special construction)? Do they just rebuild you? Are there boot camps, uploaded or physical, for machines not built with fighting knowledge from the box? Or is it simply Not Done?

Does the Concert have any particular funeral rites for machines? Reusing parts from the wounded and dead seems like common procedure when necessary, but aside from that how are the remains of machines treated?
So there's really two levels of 'job' in the Concert for machines, and that will be a huge thing this book is going to explore. But in short, there's the 'official' jobs which have machines For Them, and the periphery jobs which are filled in by whatever type of machine feels inclined.

Like, machine authors exist, there's a literature by and for machines, but there's no Author Machine, there's machines like Beatrice who take up writing. There are some trends among these peripheral jobs, though, like, obviously a lot of the scientific by nerdy little Clerks! Another strong example is personal servants, that is to say James and Marias, being way overrepresented in the arts. A lot of them leave their jobs with a lot of stuff to work through, and honestly I'm willing to bet there's at least a few popular 'human' artists, writers, poets etc who are Pages under pseudonyms.

If a machine wants to take up a job that wasn't the one they are built for where a type exists, they'll probably work in the periphery of it for a while, and if they really end up enjoying it more they'll just... get the job. They might even change their names to match. Machines of different types are certainly psychologically predisposed toward certain kinds of work, but there's always variation.

Machines dying is a rare event, and outside of Fusiliers, military sailors, and maybe a handful of high-risk jobs, I don't think the Concert really understands how to deal with it. I imagine it'd vary a lot culture to culture though. I think the only part machines are likely to see as sacred are a machine's processors, which contain Who They Are, if you will. Everything else is just parts.

British Fusiliers have a ritual of auctioning off the personal belongings of the fallen for other machines as mementos, and then using the money to fund a ridiculous party. It's what they would have wanted!


What does mass media look like? Are there tv shows, radio periodicals, or is it all really fancy books and live action robot teleplay?

Did anyone build any artificial intelligences that were not robots? Alternatively, have they build any robots that are not intelligent (robot dogs?).

What is the largest and most modern ship in the Navy, and correspondingly, the oldest one?
Books, music, and the theatre are the big ones. There's theatre recordings as a form of media but it really is just a recording of a play, not a movie. Theatre is one of those periphery industries consisting of a mix of human and machine actors and is probably the part of British culture specifically where the two are in closest contact as peers... which means that actors are followed everywhere with salacious rumours.

I've actually got a scene about the theatre in my back pocket for a future story which'll be fun!

Other AI... Well, Spoilers! But um, one of the two big anti-machinists factions was the one that wanted to fork the machines into a version that was more, um... loyal. However, the smash-them-all faction was much bigger and more popular with regular people.

I'm not sure! I like the idea that the British have a few zeroth-rate super battleships executor-style. The ship we saw in the old Golden Eagle writeup was about as old as active ships get, with new ships not really being hugely different in terms of layout or basic functions but faster, better armoured, better protected, etc.

Excellent setting, I very much like it.

I've noticed that ground vehicles here tend to be "horses", or "horse"-drawn or propelled. Is that just a quirk of the setting, to make it more Regency-like? Or do they have some sort of a block on self-propelled vehicles? And has anyone built a "horseless" carriage? My money's on the Americans, personally.
Okay, you know how for five minutes cars were horseless carriages?

Instead, the terminology that caught on here was to refer to the engine of a car as its horse, which soon mutated into just calling any self-propelled vehicle a horse.



 
Thank you so much, that was all quite interesting. While I am sad that Space Canada isn't really a thing, I do find it entertaining that Space Quebec is (if only because all my redneck neighbors would find that fact absolutely infuriating) But this leads me to two further questions: First; how do Space France and Space Quebec get along? Close allies, barely tolerated, divided by a common language? Second: How easily would a modern Canadian recognize Space Poutine? Is it something we'd consider within the boundaries of Acceptable Poutine Variants, or has it diverged too much?
 
Do Space Liners exist?

On one hand, Space Titanic. On the other hand, everyone who wants seems to be able to afford their own ships, and the stations aren't exactly big enough to have huge amounts of tourists.

Are there any primitivist movements who reject robots, or other of-earth societies that make major breaks from Concert culture.
 
Are there any really notable technologies that went the way of the Hindenburg?
There almost certainly are test pilots and that's adorable,
It is a good image, yeah! Test pilots for processors: "Woooo, literally all I want to do right now is sit down and think about the color blue, I know we were going for a more philosophical-artsy type but this is a bit much"
Qing, the Indian confederation, the German Confederation, Russia, Japan, and the Ottomans in rough order.
If the British Empire kept most of its colonies and they're still not on that list and Machines originated in British space, wow, those other places must have really gone nuts on the population.

Are those population numbers just humans or including the machines? Actually, huh. How much does the machine-to-human ratio vary by culture? Is it strongly determined by economics and the common machine lineages across cultures mean that most nations have comparable economics and thus machine-to-human ratios? Are the civilizations with novel lines (e.g. IIRC there was some talk about Space Japan being the most likely to have been sufficiently nationalistic-isolationist to have gotten its own lineages) all that different economically as a result of their novel lineages?
 
This is purely personal indulgence on my front, but what's sports culture like in the Galactic Concert? Are there any games that are particularly popular, unpopular, or noticeably different as compared to our world? Are there any kind of major tournaments, and how are they structured? Especially with the consideration of interplanetary travel in mind. Are there any teams that are particularly famous, and do they correspond to any real-life teams?
 
I wonder if there might be some plain living/return to the earth movements that instead of rejecting Machines entirely like in the bad old days promote the like Machinekind versions of plain living and returning to nature? Like each Machine should be retrofitted with artisanal parts to be almost as handcrafted as the prototype Firsts and should have everything be old school with simple and reliable voltaic power instead of all the fancy new exotic power sources all these young'uns are playing around with. Like classic or antique car hobbyists but the temple that is the original Machine bodies, and frequently crossing streams with the like kinda Regency era Romanticism stuff celebrating the vital passions of the pastoral Arcadia but instead its like for a Machine how much deeply deeply satisfying work they can just get hand-cranking an old-timey mill all day. Just like the clockwork Providence and Adam Wright would have wanted!
 
the terminology that caught on here was to refer to the engine of a car as its horse
Does this mean that, for a very very short time, machines had horses inside each of their joints? Or was this convention, defining the engine as the "horse", specific to passenger/cargo vehicles with integrated horses?
 
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We know the Prussian and French Space Empires are in existence with their own space armies
I think you mean the Prussian Space Army is in existence with its own space empire. :V
I've noticed that ground vehicles here tend to be "horses", or "horse"-drawn or propelled. Is that just a quirk of the setting, to make it more Regency-like? Or do they have some sort of a block on self-propelled vehicles? And has anyone built a "horseless" carriage? My money's on the Americans, personally.
It's my understanding that here "horse" refers to anything with a single operator, typically with an open cab. If you ride on it rather than in it, it is a horse.
There is, however, a Space Nation of Quebec.
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TABERNAK!
 
Are there Machine Tetottlers who lock out the circuits in their processors that make them able to get drunk? Are there, on the flipside, machine drunkards who can't hold down a job and just get earworms stuck in their brains perpetually? Could playing "Funkytown" cause sudden bouts of mass intoxication as machines are unable to stop humming that riff?
 
Would a marching band accidentally cause a dancing plague amongst the robots if the conditions are right?
 
That said, if there's one actual rule that the Concert will 100% use state violence to enforce, its that you don't split the product line. The nightmare scenario for everyone in the Concert is somebody diverging either humans or machines to the point where they are distinct enough to cause a civilizational fracture. This was controversial for a very long while, but nowadays the vast majority of people very much support this line of thinking owing to all of them having a lot of Stuff that would be on the line in the event of a huge political upheaval.
But- but- the transhumanism (and transmachinism)! 😭😭😭

Heh. I just realized that this may be the first time someone told Open_Sketch that her humans aren't trans enough.
 
If the British Empire kept most of its colonies and they're still not on that list and Machines originated in British space, wow, those other places must have really gone nuts on the population.
Remember, the point of departure for this timeline is roughly 1830.

In those days the British Empire consisted of:

1) The settler-colonies in Canada, Australia, New Zealand, and South Africa.
2) A bunch of stuff in the Caribbean- lots of islands, plus also Belize and Honduras
3) Oman.
4) Some little dots on the African coast.
5) India and maybe Burma. Especially India.

If India breaks free in the early stages of the Industrious Revolution (which @open_sketch implicitly just said they did)...

Well, the British Empire no longer actually contains that much heavily populated territory. The ensuing Industrious Revolution population slump kind of nips in the bud the historical population boom that inflated the population density of Europe.

Whereas the population of China or "the Indian Confederation" or the Ottoman Empire are all huge, because they've always been huge, these are areas that are best geographically and ethnographically compared to "Europe" and not to, say, "Britain" or "France."

But- but- the transhumanism (and transmachinism)! 😭😭😭
"It's not that we're against transhumanism. It's that we're all going there together, roped together for safety and checking each handhold and trail marker on the way."
 
Well since we were given carte blanche on questions:
So building off of the various Empires of the Concert, I'm curious about their machines. There's clearly a lot of variety in the cosmetics of different machines (hair color, face sculpt, chassis material etc.), but are there culture-specific cosmetics for the various Empires? For example, would a Japanese equivalent of a Maria be styled (sculpted, dressed etc.) after traditional Geisha, or would they just be a Maria with a Japanese name dressed in Taisho Era attire? Are there obvious variations (either cosmetic or psychological) between the various cultures' different machines (ex: the difference between Dora, Theda and Thea)?

Also the idea of Australians not colonizing the most dangerous planets in the Concert and becoming Napoleonic-Catachans feels like a lost opportunity. And is Space Mexico a thing, or are they still part of Space-Spain? Are they constantly in a race with America to grab more worlds, as a galactic "Fuck You" for the land they lost in the Mexican American war?

And the question I think we ALL want the answer to: Did Texas become its own Space Empire?
 
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My current working hypothesis is that the Indians successfully secured independence from the British Empire some time in the mid-19th century, then formed a subcontinent-wide government to prevent any of that sort of nonsense from happening again, sidelining the Mughal Emperor in the process because he was clearly about as useful as a screen door on a submarine.

Since India at the time was a bit... loosely connected... the resulting government called itself a 'confederation' and includes a number of nominally semi-independent 'princely states' and whatnot.

But I have no special information from the author here.

Also the idea of Australians not colonizing the most dangerous planets in the Concert and becoming Napoleonic-Catachans feels like a lost opportunity. And is Space Mexico a thing, or are they still part of Space-Spain? Are they constantly in a race with America to grab more worlds, as a galactic "Fuck You" for the land they lost in the Mexican American war?
Mexico's declaration of independence from Spain predates the point of departure, or at least stands well outside its "light cone" in terms of happening too soon for the first machines to realistically butterfly.

By contrast, the Mexican-American War takes place in the 1840s, by which point the existence of machines is very likely to impact the chances of the United States going to war with Mexico.

And the question I think we ALL want the answer to: Did Texas become its own Space Empire?
The historic processes that for Texas would be kind of short-circuited here. Machines are invented in the early 1820s, right around the time that Anglos start filtering into Texas to settle (often dragging chains of slaves along with them). By the 1830s, machines have probably at least started to spread to Mexico and are also disrupting the plantation model of agriculture in the American South, though it's unclear just how machines interact with American slavery or how that plays out in the timeline.

Basically, nearly every relevant economic process and political process that drove first Texas' declaration of independence, then its ability to enforce that independence against Santa Anna, then its power to hold out for a decade or so, then its unification with the US, would all be getting heavily butterflied. The butterflies might form any number of complicated and exciting interference patterns with any of a number of outcomes.
 
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