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Uh isn't everything I said covered In S1-E15 already? I'll temp spoiler while I check.
Edit: Thanks you are right that one bit was from near the start of S1-E16.
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Let's Watch RWBY
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Edit: Thanks you are right that one bit was from near the start of S1-E16.
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If you're reading this, omae wa mo shindeiru.
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Or she's just terribly written. It'd be consistent with the quality of the series.
If they did, they un-realized it by Season 4. The founder is a black panther faunus named after Bagheera.
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What's that you say? We see Torchwick persecute fauni? Please, tell me more.
:/
Katsuragi
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This is pretty amusing in a fucked up way.
I'm currently Doc's "Let's read Worm" thread and those jokers were better at not spoiling shit overall than some of the clowns hanging out here it seems.
So. *Cough*
Dear those of you with impulse control issues, seeing as apparently this is going to need to be laid out on a regular basis:
If our dear watcher hasn't reviewed an episode yet, we exist in a magical world where it doesn't exist. No hinting, no "sly" comments about things coming up, etc. It doesn't exist, you're not to discuss it.
I'd go so far as to recommend you actually re-watch shit yourself if you want to comment on something as "Blah" followed by "Oh wait, that's not until next episode? Mai bad lulz" isn't endearing you to anyone.
Let's not spoil Leila's viewing experience, whatever that amounts to at this point, any worse than it is because of an inability to hold it in. No, it doesn't happen to everyone.
I'm currently Doc's "Let's read Worm" thread and those jokers were better at not spoiling shit overall than some of the clowns hanging out here it seems.
So. *Cough*
Dear those of you with impulse control issues, seeing as apparently this is going to need to be laid out on a regular basis:
If our dear watcher hasn't reviewed an episode yet, we exist in a magical world where it doesn't exist. No hinting, no "sly" comments about things coming up, etc. It doesn't exist, you're not to discuss it.
I'd go so far as to recommend you actually re-watch shit yourself if you want to comment on something as "Blah" followed by "Oh wait, that's not until next episode? Mai bad lulz" isn't endearing you to anyone.
Let's not spoil Leila's viewing experience, whatever that amounts to at this point, any worse than it is because of an inability to hold it in. No, it doesn't happen to everyone.
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Doctor Mod's worm thread. I had some unfortunate mishaps on that thread myself, though in that case it was because I actually figured some things out way earlier in the story than the author intended and didn't realize they weren't meant to be obvious. Still ashamed of them though.
And, thanks.
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all fictions
I hate you! (it's not against the rules!)
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I feel insulting people was a tad unnecessary.
But not inaccurate. Especially since they can't seem to stop.
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Thebigpieman
I've got this, I think.
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Yup yup, over 30 pages and some people can't seem to get it through their heads to check their own posts for possible spoilers.
Warning: The Thread Policy Is Right There
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the thread policy is right there
Seriously guys, just think things over before you post.
You did not, actually, remove the spoilers. Take three days out from the thread because apparently verbal warnings won't suffice for this thread.
Seriously guys, just think things over before you post.
I think Worm, for all it's issues, did exposition and revealed details about the world in logical and coherent progression. With RWBY it's actually really hard to remember when what detail got revealed when. For example, recently someone reference the monkey faunus by name, not realizing that he had been in two episodes, and the show hadn't named him yet. There was also a similar issue with 'semblance' a while back. There's no rhyme or reason to exposition in this show, and it can lead to honest mistakes like the ones I mentioned.
Of course, honest mistakes are only a subset of the spoilers in this thread.
ZerbanDaGreat
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Best of luck to you with the Black And White recap, by the way. I can already hazard a guess that'll be a two-parter too because woof
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There's a dog faunus?
mothematics
How wide is the concept of "you"?
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well you know
that's a really knotted question to try and answer is all i'm saying
ZerbanDaGreat
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No, Weiss sent him to live at a farm upstate with lots of other Faunus to play with.
... why, do you think she was lying?
Boooooo
Boooooooo
mothematics
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Vindictus
XENO
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Weiss: "Can we knot?"
Barking mad, the lot of ye.
SplicedHunter
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Puns alway hound threads like this.
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Warning For Marginal Behavior - This is the exact opposite of treating a delicate subject mindfully.
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Okay that's starting to get uncomfortable.
Warning: I was literally just here.
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i was literally just here.
Being mindful is not hard. Take a WfMB and 3 days out.
Being mindful is not hard. Take a WfMB and 3 days out.
ZerbanDaGreat
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Remember, Weiss "Schnee Industries bailout funding the plot to Get Out" Schnee is a plantation princess, not the Fuhrer himself. Those jokes are the most relevant to the fuckheaded racial analogy RT are farting out, and least likely to be offensive to our Jewish OP.
To be fair, you have to have a very low IQ to understand RWBY. The action is extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of ethical diversity and morality, most of the sceens will go over a typical viewer's head. There's also Ruby's optimistic outlook, which is deftly woven into her characterisation- her personal philosophy draws heavily from Reki Kawahara literature, for instance. The fans understand this stuff; they have the intellectual capacity to truly appreciate the depths of these scenes, to realise that they're not just sad- they say something deep about LIFE. As a consequence people who dislike RWBY truly ARE idiots- of course they wouldn't appreciate, for instance, the drama in Ruby's bringing up of Penny's catchphrase "Combat Ready," which itself is a cryptic reference to Kishimoto's Japanese epic Boruto's Dad. I'm smirking right now just imagining one of those sophisticated "analyzers" scratching their heads in confusion as Miles Luna's genius wit unfolds itself on their computer screens. What fools.. how I pity them.
And yes, by the way, i DO have a RWBY tattoo. And no, you cannot see it. It's for the ladies' eyes only- and even then they have to demonstrate that they're within 5 IQ points of my own (preferably lower) beforehand. Nothin personnel kid
I apologize for this
And yes, by the way, i DO have a RWBY tattoo. And no, you cannot see it. It's for the ladies' eyes only- and even then they have to demonstrate that they're within 5 IQ points of my own (preferably lower) beforehand. Nothin personnel kid
Interlude: what could have been
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Since page one of this thread, people have been making certain, often-repeated defenses of RWBY.
"Its really all about the fight scenes," they say, despite fights only happening in three or four out of the 15 episodes - which, might I remind you, came out a week apart, which means you would have had to sit through months of nothing but high school forum roleplay bullshit between fight episodes - I've reviewed so far.
"Monty really wanted to do an action show," they say, despite virtually all of the plot advancement (such as it is) taking place during the cringe-inducing Engrish dialogue sections to the point where you could replace the battle sequences with almost anything else without changing the plot (I've stopped calling attention to the Engrish-sounding phrasing and word misuse, since otherwise they would bury all my other critiques, but trust me it hasn't gotten any better. The argument between Blake and Weiss in the last episode was particularly rich in 1980's Konami localization).
"You made a mistake by not watching the trailers first," they say, despite at least one of the trailers being very clearly set AFTER the events of season one, while another is very clearly set BEFORE it. I have trouble believing that Ruby was out by herself in the middle of a grimwolf-infested taiga, using abilities she has not yet demonstrated in the show, before she even finished her two year stint at Gunscythe High. Meanwhile, the Blake sequence with the train is explicitly a prequel to the show. No matter which argument you try to make with the trailers, they fucked it up.
But I've started wondering. What if those defenses of RWBY actually did hold water? What if the show that these people are describing was actually anything like the one that we got? What would that show look like? Well, I have some ideas.
The Red trailer that someone earlier in the thread described as "the actual first episode of RWBY" would, in fact, be the first episode of RWBY. No talking. Only insinuations about plot and setting. All we know is that a red-hooded girl with a rose petal motif visited a grave with a matching rose emblem on it, and then fought off a pack of shadowy werewolf-creatures with spectacular skill and balletic grace, while awesome music played. For a moody action show like the one that RWBY was hyped to be, that's a perfectly good pilot episode. It shows off the main draw (the Monty Oum action scenes), uses the team's best other asset as well (the musical score), and raises enough questions to make the audience interested to see and learn more.
Episode two, I think, would pick up right where episode 1 left off. Wandering through the forest, the rose girl (who we soon learn is named Ruby) runs into her half-sister and fellow huntress Yang. There's a brief conversation in which Ruby challenges her on the likelihood of them both happening to be assigned to this frontier at the same time, and Yang admits that she wanted to check on her little sister. She's worried about her having her first deployment in the same forest where...she gets cut off here, but there are implications about whoever that tombstone memorializes. They don't have time to talk long, however, as Yang mentions that she's on the trail of a much larger Grim. Ruby helps her track it down and intercept it before it can reach a nearby village, and the sisters bring it down in another stunning Oum battle. By the end of the battle though, they're clearly running out of steam. One of them remarks that they need more dust. End episode.
Episode three starts with the Animatrix intro thingy, explaining what dust is, the nature of humanity's war against the "Grim" monsters, etc. Now, I get the impression that RWBY started with character designs and perhaps some vague ideas about which role each of these character models might play. Based on his early appearance in the story, Roman Torchwick was likely one of the firsts that they wanted to show off, and based on his Alex de'Large inspired look he was probably always meant to be a bad guy. So, let's work with that. The sisters return to whatever town they were defending, only to find that bandit lord Torchwick and his gang have intercepted the dust shipment; without dust, Ruby and Yang won't be able to power their weapons and magical abilities, and the Grim will overrun this entire region. They chase down the bandits and engage them, but - much like in the pilot - Torchwick escapes with a large part of his ill gotten gains. This is partly due to the sisters being low on dust, while Torchwick and Co have a surplus. It is also partly due to the surprise interference of a mysterious, black and white clothed interloper, Blake, who buys the raiders time to get away with much of their dust before vanishing back into the woods.
Episode four opens with the sisters having hurried to some sort of regional headquarters for the Hunter organization, where we meet senior huntress and local coordinator Glinda. She tells the sisters that these bandits have been hitting dust convoys and repositories all over the frontier. The reason they're able to manage this is because they're recieving the patronage of a much larger organization called the White Fang. We aren't told who the White Fang are or their ultimate goals yet, but we ARE told that they want to force the Kingdom of Vale to have to devote more of its resources to defending the frontier from the Grim (giving themselves more room to operate elsewhere in Vale) while also stocking up on the strictly controlled dust. Its strongly implied that the mysterious monochrome catgirl was a member of it. The sisters are now being assigned to hunt down the raiders and their White Fang enforcer, and for this task are being assigned a new partner; Weiss Schnee, daughter of a powerful executive in the company or government agency responsible for shipping in the dust that these guys have been stealing. The three set out on the trail of the bandits, but Blake cleverly lures them into the path of a massive Grim swarm, and the three barely manage to fight through them. Weiss also seems to be hiding something, and the sisters don't trust her.
From here on out, the nature of the White Fang, the Schnee dust mining operations, etc can evolve naturally, with Ruby and Yang presumably getting a chance to talk to Blake at some point and having a crisis of conscience (most likely after Blake herself has a falling out with White Fang; perhaps Torchwick does something truly monstrous, but he's too useful for the organization to stop hiring, so Blake quits in disgust. This would basically be a better framed version of what happened in the Black trailer, with Torchwick instead of that Adam guy). Maybe Blake is an honest idealist who is actually trying to help her people, but was taken in by the rhetoric of much more cynical White Fang leadership who are really just in it for power.
The main conflict of the show would be about whether they can afford to clean house and resolve the injustices plaguing Vale society without having to lower their defenses against the relentless Grim at the borders. Indeed, the threat of the Grim is probably the reason why so many social problems have been allowed to fester and ossify in the first place. So, whenever Team RWBY are forced to fight off more Grim, it gives the corrupt plutocrats and opportunistic criminals and terrorists time to advance their schemes. Whenever Team RWBY busts a Schnee-owned private prison camp or prevents the White Fang from carrying out a false flag that will bring more fauni into its orbit, there are fewer Hunters on the border, and the Grim make advances. In order to solve these problems, they'll need to make friends and contacts elsewhere throughout Vale. A major turning point is when they get the aging, eccentric, but secretly brilliant Hunter Lord Ozpin, the leader of their entire organization, on their side. The members of Team JNPR likewise can be introduced either piecemeal or in one or two pairs as potential allies who must first be won over. And, of course, the death and legacy of Ruby's mother (or whoever that tombstone belongs to) ends up being the key to all of this.
Or something like that, anyway.
Basically, sending all the characters to school was the antithesis of what the trailers (and the initial Red trailer in particular) promised, and perhaps even more antithetical to the Animatrix-esque intro to episode one. In a world where superpowered rangers protect the frontiers of civilization from monsters, the story should be ABOUT superpowered rangers protecting the frontier of civilization from monsters. Pretty much all the plot elements introduced in the show's first season - the faunus as an oppressed minority, the White Fang, dust robberies, Ozpin and Glinda as inscrutible authority figures, Blake and Weiss as ideological enemies who end up working together to solve both of their problems - can easily be reimagined to work within that context, while also providing much more opportunity for the action sequences that the show SHOULD be built around.
Of course, action scenes take longer to produce than janky, stilted dialogue episodes. But you know what? I don't think there's a soul in the world who would have had a problem with that. Even if new RWBY episodes only came out once every few months due to the timesink of animating a cool fight for each one, I think it would have been worth it, and I think the people whose interest was piqued by the trailer/pilot would have been more than understanding.
RoosterTeeth could have done this. If they were honest about wanting to do an action based show with a mood and tone more in line with the trailers, they WOULD have done something much more like this. The fact that they did not, I think, is a very strong argument that this was never their actual intent. If they made a terrible high school anime, its because they wanted to make a terrible high school anime. If the focus of the show is on the horribly written dialogue and characters, its because they actually thought that those were good.
So basically, stop trying to pretend that what they were TRYING to do or what they MEANT to do is anything other than exactly what they did. Stop trying to convince me that they really wanted to make a moody action show but tragically screwed it up. You're making excuses for them that they really, really don't deserve, and well...this is going to sound condescending, but to be honest, I think you're also making excuses for yourselves, justifying whatever costs you've sunk into this absolute travesty of a cartoon. I know it can be hard to admit this. I defended "Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality" until its last couple of chapters because I refused to admit that I could have been taken in so deeply by something so awful (in this case, I started reading it assuming the entire story was meant in jest, and willfully blinded myself to the increasingly obvious fact that no, Yudkowsky was actually serious about this shit). But when I finally came around to the truth, I felt so much better.
This doesn't apply to all fans of RWBY, of course; just the ones who have been trying to defend it by claiming that its something it clearly isn't. If you earnestly like it for what it is, then - while I am baffled as to what exactly you see in it, barring the later seasons turning out to be a complete reimagining of the entire show and everything in it - the above is not directed at you.
Well, interlude over. I'll be watching the season finale, "Black and White," sometime later today or tomorrow.
"Its really all about the fight scenes," they say, despite fights only happening in three or four out of the 15 episodes - which, might I remind you, came out a week apart, which means you would have had to sit through months of nothing but high school forum roleplay bullshit between fight episodes - I've reviewed so far.
"Monty really wanted to do an action show," they say, despite virtually all of the plot advancement (such as it is) taking place during the cringe-inducing Engrish dialogue sections to the point where you could replace the battle sequences with almost anything else without changing the plot (I've stopped calling attention to the Engrish-sounding phrasing and word misuse, since otherwise they would bury all my other critiques, but trust me it hasn't gotten any better. The argument between Blake and Weiss in the last episode was particularly rich in 1980's Konami localization).
"You made a mistake by not watching the trailers first," they say, despite at least one of the trailers being very clearly set AFTER the events of season one, while another is very clearly set BEFORE it. I have trouble believing that Ruby was out by herself in the middle of a grimwolf-infested taiga, using abilities she has not yet demonstrated in the show, before she even finished her two year stint at Gunscythe High. Meanwhile, the Blake sequence with the train is explicitly a prequel to the show. No matter which argument you try to make with the trailers, they fucked it up.
But I've started wondering. What if those defenses of RWBY actually did hold water? What if the show that these people are describing was actually anything like the one that we got? What would that show look like? Well, I have some ideas.
The Red trailer that someone earlier in the thread described as "the actual first episode of RWBY" would, in fact, be the first episode of RWBY. No talking. Only insinuations about plot and setting. All we know is that a red-hooded girl with a rose petal motif visited a grave with a matching rose emblem on it, and then fought off a pack of shadowy werewolf-creatures with spectacular skill and balletic grace, while awesome music played. For a moody action show like the one that RWBY was hyped to be, that's a perfectly good pilot episode. It shows off the main draw (the Monty Oum action scenes), uses the team's best other asset as well (the musical score), and raises enough questions to make the audience interested to see and learn more.
Episode two, I think, would pick up right where episode 1 left off. Wandering through the forest, the rose girl (who we soon learn is named Ruby) runs into her half-sister and fellow huntress Yang. There's a brief conversation in which Ruby challenges her on the likelihood of them both happening to be assigned to this frontier at the same time, and Yang admits that she wanted to check on her little sister. She's worried about her having her first deployment in the same forest where...she gets cut off here, but there are implications about whoever that tombstone memorializes. They don't have time to talk long, however, as Yang mentions that she's on the trail of a much larger Grim. Ruby helps her track it down and intercept it before it can reach a nearby village, and the sisters bring it down in another stunning Oum battle. By the end of the battle though, they're clearly running out of steam. One of them remarks that they need more dust. End episode.
Episode three starts with the Animatrix intro thingy, explaining what dust is, the nature of humanity's war against the "Grim" monsters, etc. Now, I get the impression that RWBY started with character designs and perhaps some vague ideas about which role each of these character models might play. Based on his early appearance in the story, Roman Torchwick was likely one of the firsts that they wanted to show off, and based on his Alex de'Large inspired look he was probably always meant to be a bad guy. So, let's work with that. The sisters return to whatever town they were defending, only to find that bandit lord Torchwick and his gang have intercepted the dust shipment; without dust, Ruby and Yang won't be able to power their weapons and magical abilities, and the Grim will overrun this entire region. They chase down the bandits and engage them, but - much like in the pilot - Torchwick escapes with a large part of his ill gotten gains. This is partly due to the sisters being low on dust, while Torchwick and Co have a surplus. It is also partly due to the surprise interference of a mysterious, black and white clothed interloper, Blake, who buys the raiders time to get away with much of their dust before vanishing back into the woods.
Episode four opens with the sisters having hurried to some sort of regional headquarters for the Hunter organization, where we meet senior huntress and local coordinator Glinda. She tells the sisters that these bandits have been hitting dust convoys and repositories all over the frontier. The reason they're able to manage this is because they're recieving the patronage of a much larger organization called the White Fang. We aren't told who the White Fang are or their ultimate goals yet, but we ARE told that they want to force the Kingdom of Vale to have to devote more of its resources to defending the frontier from the Grim (giving themselves more room to operate elsewhere in Vale) while also stocking up on the strictly controlled dust. Its strongly implied that the mysterious monochrome catgirl was a member of it. The sisters are now being assigned to hunt down the raiders and their White Fang enforcer, and for this task are being assigned a new partner; Weiss Schnee, daughter of a powerful executive in the company or government agency responsible for shipping in the dust that these guys have been stealing. The three set out on the trail of the bandits, but Blake cleverly lures them into the path of a massive Grim swarm, and the three barely manage to fight through them. Weiss also seems to be hiding something, and the sisters don't trust her.
From here on out, the nature of the White Fang, the Schnee dust mining operations, etc can evolve naturally, with Ruby and Yang presumably getting a chance to talk to Blake at some point and having a crisis of conscience (most likely after Blake herself has a falling out with White Fang; perhaps Torchwick does something truly monstrous, but he's too useful for the organization to stop hiring, so Blake quits in disgust. This would basically be a better framed version of what happened in the Black trailer, with Torchwick instead of that Adam guy). Maybe Blake is an honest idealist who is actually trying to help her people, but was taken in by the rhetoric of much more cynical White Fang leadership who are really just in it for power.
The main conflict of the show would be about whether they can afford to clean house and resolve the injustices plaguing Vale society without having to lower their defenses against the relentless Grim at the borders. Indeed, the threat of the Grim is probably the reason why so many social problems have been allowed to fester and ossify in the first place. So, whenever Team RWBY are forced to fight off more Grim, it gives the corrupt plutocrats and opportunistic criminals and terrorists time to advance their schemes. Whenever Team RWBY busts a Schnee-owned private prison camp or prevents the White Fang from carrying out a false flag that will bring more fauni into its orbit, there are fewer Hunters on the border, and the Grim make advances. In order to solve these problems, they'll need to make friends and contacts elsewhere throughout Vale. A major turning point is when they get the aging, eccentric, but secretly brilliant Hunter Lord Ozpin, the leader of their entire organization, on their side. The members of Team JNPR likewise can be introduced either piecemeal or in one or two pairs as potential allies who must first be won over. And, of course, the death and legacy of Ruby's mother (or whoever that tombstone belongs to) ends up being the key to all of this.
Or something like that, anyway.
Basically, sending all the characters to school was the antithesis of what the trailers (and the initial Red trailer in particular) promised, and perhaps even more antithetical to the Animatrix-esque intro to episode one. In a world where superpowered rangers protect the frontiers of civilization from monsters, the story should be ABOUT superpowered rangers protecting the frontier of civilization from monsters. Pretty much all the plot elements introduced in the show's first season - the faunus as an oppressed minority, the White Fang, dust robberies, Ozpin and Glinda as inscrutible authority figures, Blake and Weiss as ideological enemies who end up working together to solve both of their problems - can easily be reimagined to work within that context, while also providing much more opportunity for the action sequences that the show SHOULD be built around.
Of course, action scenes take longer to produce than janky, stilted dialogue episodes. But you know what? I don't think there's a soul in the world who would have had a problem with that. Even if new RWBY episodes only came out once every few months due to the timesink of animating a cool fight for each one, I think it would have been worth it, and I think the people whose interest was piqued by the trailer/pilot would have been more than understanding.
RoosterTeeth could have done this. If they were honest about wanting to do an action based show with a mood and tone more in line with the trailers, they WOULD have done something much more like this. The fact that they did not, I think, is a very strong argument that this was never their actual intent. If they made a terrible high school anime, its because they wanted to make a terrible high school anime. If the focus of the show is on the horribly written dialogue and characters, its because they actually thought that those were good.
So basically, stop trying to pretend that what they were TRYING to do or what they MEANT to do is anything other than exactly what they did. Stop trying to convince me that they really wanted to make a moody action show but tragically screwed it up. You're making excuses for them that they really, really don't deserve, and well...this is going to sound condescending, but to be honest, I think you're also making excuses for yourselves, justifying whatever costs you've sunk into this absolute travesty of a cartoon. I know it can be hard to admit this. I defended "Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality" until its last couple of chapters because I refused to admit that I could have been taken in so deeply by something so awful (in this case, I started reading it assuming the entire story was meant in jest, and willfully blinded myself to the increasingly obvious fact that no, Yudkowsky was actually serious about this shit). But when I finally came around to the truth, I felt so much better.
This doesn't apply to all fans of RWBY, of course; just the ones who have been trying to defend it by claiming that its something it clearly isn't. If you earnestly like it for what it is, then - while I am baffled as to what exactly you see in it, barring the later seasons turning out to be a complete reimagining of the entire show and everything in it - the above is not directed at you.
Well, interlude over. I'll be watching the season finale, "Black and White," sometime later today or tomorrow.
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