Mizu
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There seems to be a mod for the PSP version called FFT War of the Lions Tweak which also makes that JP Boost ability innate. Guess it's a popular change to the base game from fans.
Let's Play Every Final Fantasy Game In Order Of Release [Now Finished: Final Fantasy Tactics]
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War of the Lions Tweak was the one I was looking at earlier before Omi started, yeah. For the most part it's things like fixing the slowdown issues, bringing back incantations for skills and spells, and the like... but then also more recent versions have dived into rebalancing territory like War of the Lions itself does, so didn't really seem right for the LP for similar reasons.
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So, funny story here. when I first played tactics, I did not find how to unlock jobs. I ran with squires and chemists until I stopped playing out of frustration at one point. I'll point out where I recall I got when it comes up.
I only picked tactics back up when it became available on the PS3 and finished it then. I'm excited to read your pinions on this Omicron.
I only picked tactics back up when it became available on the PS3 and finished it then. I'm excited to read your pinions on this Omicron.
Mizu
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Mm. You might be able to find a version which doesn't rebalance gameplay and just adds QoL features like the JP Boost or spell incantations, but you'd have to dig through readme to see what changes each mod version brought, then find X which fits your needs. A bit more effort than what Omi would go for, I think.
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War of the Lions Tweaks is definitely my favorite FFT mod, but with one of its main features being a fairly comprehensive balancing overhaul it's pretty outside the scope of this LP
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Can I vote for more pestering? I had no idea "sellsword" is a modern invention.
The incantations in the PSX version are cool, but they're often translated so shoddily that I feel much of the effect is dissipated.
Thozmp
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I actually have the chants of the various abilities saved. I could share them as they come up if you want.
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For anyone raised by anime, that's a crucial part of the coolness. We've all been Pavlov'd into thinking that shit like "Flashing Vengeance Draw" is the raddest thing ever.
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I've never played Final Fantasy Tactics, nor any other FFT game, mainly because I'm really bad at SRPGs. As an example, I've been trying Persona 5 Tactica, which is widely considered to be very simple and easy, and I'm still finding it difficult, having to restart stages six or seven times each.
Along with my antipathy towards FFXII, this does mean I'm not really invested in the whole Ivalice thing. The Ivalice-themed raids in FFXIV were firmly in the "it's there I guess" tier, which is at least better than the "why is this trash" of the Nier-themed raids. So I'm hoping this playthrough of FFT will help raise my opinion of Ivalice.
The script site I'll be using is this one. Browsing through the site, it's actually a really detailed site with game mechanics and gear stats and maps. None of which I have any context for, so I'll just stick with the game script.
Arazlam speaks surprisingly casually, like he's chatting with the audience, but also using certain "old pompous man" vocabulary. The impression is someone who's trying for a Dramatic Reading, but is also trying to keep it simple enough for the layman. I think an example would be the narrator of a stage play.
Arazlam's field of study is Ivalice's 中世史, which does literally translate to "middle ages of history", but is more generally used for "medieval history", rather than specifically just the Middle Ages. Delita's last name is not mentioned, but the other names "Beoulve" and "Durai" are as written. The "Durai Papers" is デュライ白書, which is literally "Durai White Paper", ie a more formal presentation rather than a loose collection of notes.
The translation here is notable, because in Japanese, Agrias and Gaffgarion speak completely differently.
The archaic semi-formal style fits Agrias completely. If you've ever read the stereotypical speech of a noble and proud knight (especially the "lady knight" archetype in lots of anime), you already know how Agrias talks. She is absolutely the sort of person to call others "ser"; she addresses Gaffgarion as "Gaffgarion-dono", which is allegedly respectful and humble enough that it might well be translated as "my lord Gaffgarion". But Agrias does it on automatic, just because she's used to addressing others with "-dono", regardless of whether she actually respects them. So "ser" (or "sir", I suppose) fits just as well.
Meanwhile, Gaffgarion is rough and direct. He shortens sentences, enunciates lazily, and generally speaks like a rough soldier: "We're not paid to be polite to ya." He states he's a mercenary (or "sellsword" in the vocabulary of this game), and he speaks like a stereotypical one. His pronoun of choice is "ore" in katakana, which we last saw used by Barret in FFVII.
Later, when Gaffgarion talks to Ramza, instead of "What's this, Ramza? You above getting paid to do a job?", his line is "You gotta problem with that, Ramza?"
The "Order of the Northern Sky" is 北天騎士団, which is "North Sky Knight Brigade". Not literally a brigade, but just a general term for an organized group. So Gaffgarion is emphasizing that his own group are not knights, with all the chivalry and nobility that entails, but "just" mercenaries who don't have to bother with any of that.
In Japanese, the priest just says "may you be safe", rather than specifically saying "The Father". I mention this because while I know nothing about the cosmology of religion in FFT's setting, I have read enough fantasy light novels (and played fantasy video games) to know it's not a given that the primary deity is male. For all we know, Hydaelyn might be the resident goddess.
Ovelia addresses the priest as "Shimon-sensei". "Shimon" might be read as is, or it might be the usual way Japanese transliterates the name "Simon". "Sensei" is again just a common title of respect, so "Elder" is a moderately unusual choice.
In Japanese, Gaffgarion says he doesn't have the skill to follow Agrias's plan of routing the enemy. He says it in a dismissive way, so it could well just be an excuse.
The way FFT seems to be listing classes in Japanese is a little peculiar.
During the cutscene dialogue, while the English translation seems to just list the character's name, in Japanese (according to the script site) the dialogue box labels actually have the title of each character: "Knight Agrias", "Princess Ovelia", "Swordsman Gaffgarion", "Swordsman Ramza". There, and elsewhere in the dialogue itself, "knight" is written in kanji: 騎士, which literally means "horse-riding warrior", but is always used to mean "knight".
In this battle UI, the knight classes are written in katakana. Agrias is a "Holy Knight", ホーリーナイト, and Gaffgarion is a "Dark Knight", ダークナイト. For comparison, FFXIV's Dark Knight (and other instances of DRK in Final Fantasy games) has been written in kanji, 暗黒騎士.
Ramza and Ladd have their classes written in kanji: 見習い戦士 ("minarai senshi"), "apprentice warrior". I suppose "squire" is a decent translation, although the Japanese term doesn't necessarily mean an apprentice knight.
I have no idea why the difference.
For the bit I think everyone is waiting for, the line in Japanese is "悪いな... 恨むなら自分か神様にしてくれ". Translated more literally, it is indeed closer to "Blame yourself or God". But it's the rest of the lines around it which makes me think the WotL translation captures the feel better.
The original translation has Delita say "Tough. Don't blame us", which is much more aggressive and uncaring than intended. The WotL translation correctly interprets the first line as "Forgive me" or "Sorry". The next line is "If you must hold a grudge, direct it towards yourself or god". Delita is making excuses for himself, but as Omicron points out, he's doing so with moral cowardice and hypocrisy, refusing to take responsibility for his actions. It's like a villain sounding genuinely sympathetic when they say "sorry, bad luck for you" when they're about to defeat the hero.
So "Blame yourself or God" is more accurate when taking the line on its own, but together with the rest of the dialogue surrounding it, I like the WotL interpretation better.
The Japanese dialogue box labels for these fellows is 士官候補生, which translates to "officer/military cadet". Later, the Northern Sky Knight uses the same term to address the group, so he should be calling them "cadets" rather than "knights apprentice".
It amuses me how the class name for Chemist in Japanese is literally "item warrior". (アイテム士)
What is Gaffgarion even talking about.
I Googled up a list of spell chants, and assuming Shadowblade is a Dark Knight ability, I think I've found the one this is supposed to be. And it is nothing like what is translated here.
If I'm correct, a closer translation would be "The secrets of the sword in defiance of god, bear witness! Shadowblade!"
At a glance, it looks like the WotL translation is closer.
The people returning from the front are specifically 騎士, ie knights. I don't know if FFT is using the word in its own unique way to mean soldiers in general, but judging from the dialogue we've seen so far, it's almost certainly referring to knights of the "chivalry and honour" sort.
Checking posts from others in this thread, it seems like there might be other sources that lean towards the "common soldiers" interpretation, but going by what I'm reading from the Japanese script site alone, it's definitely knights. I don't know what the other sources might be.
The rest of the lines are accurate for the WotL translation.
Along with my antipathy towards FFXII, this does mean I'm not really invested in the whole Ivalice thing. The Ivalice-themed raids in FFXIV were firmly in the "it's there I guess" tier, which is at least better than the "why is this trash" of the Nier-themed raids. So I'm hoping this playthrough of FFT will help raise my opinion of Ivalice.
The script site I'll be using is this one. Browsing through the site, it's actually a really detailed site with game mechanics and gear stats and maps. None of which I have any context for, so I'll just stick with the game script.
Arazlam speaks surprisingly casually, like he's chatting with the audience, but also using certain "old pompous man" vocabulary. The impression is someone who's trying for a Dramatic Reading, but is also trying to keep it simple enough for the layman. I think an example would be the narrator of a stage play.
Arazlam's field of study is Ivalice's 中世史, which does literally translate to "middle ages of history", but is more generally used for "medieval history", rather than specifically just the Middle Ages. Delita's last name is not mentioned, but the other names "Beoulve" and "Durai" are as written. The "Durai Papers" is デュライ白書, which is literally "Durai White Paper", ie a more formal presentation rather than a loose collection of notes.
The translation here is notable, because in Japanese, Agrias and Gaffgarion speak completely differently.
The archaic semi-formal style fits Agrias completely. If you've ever read the stereotypical speech of a noble and proud knight (especially the "lady knight" archetype in lots of anime), you already know how Agrias talks. She is absolutely the sort of person to call others "ser"; she addresses Gaffgarion as "Gaffgarion-dono", which is allegedly respectful and humble enough that it might well be translated as "my lord Gaffgarion". But Agrias does it on automatic, just because she's used to addressing others with "-dono", regardless of whether she actually respects them. So "ser" (or "sir", I suppose) fits just as well.
Meanwhile, Gaffgarion is rough and direct. He shortens sentences, enunciates lazily, and generally speaks like a rough soldier: "We're not paid to be polite to ya." He states he's a mercenary (or "sellsword" in the vocabulary of this game), and he speaks like a stereotypical one. His pronoun of choice is "ore" in katakana, which we last saw used by Barret in FFVII.
Later, when Gaffgarion talks to Ramza, instead of "What's this, Ramza? You above getting paid to do a job?", his line is "You gotta problem with that, Ramza?"
The "Order of the Northern Sky" is 北天騎士団, which is "North Sky Knight Brigade". Not literally a brigade, but just a general term for an organized group. So Gaffgarion is emphasizing that his own group are not knights, with all the chivalry and nobility that entails, but "just" mercenaries who don't have to bother with any of that.
In Japanese, the priest just says "may you be safe", rather than specifically saying "The Father". I mention this because while I know nothing about the cosmology of religion in FFT's setting, I have read enough fantasy light novels (and played fantasy video games) to know it's not a given that the primary deity is male. For all we know, Hydaelyn might be the resident goddess.
Ovelia addresses the priest as "Shimon-sensei". "Shimon" might be read as is, or it might be the usual way Japanese transliterates the name "Simon". "Sensei" is again just a common title of respect, so "Elder" is a moderately unusual choice.
In Japanese, Gaffgarion says he doesn't have the skill to follow Agrias's plan of routing the enemy. He says it in a dismissive way, so it could well just be an excuse.
The way FFT seems to be listing classes in Japanese is a little peculiar.
During the cutscene dialogue, while the English translation seems to just list the character's name, in Japanese (according to the script site) the dialogue box labels actually have the title of each character: "Knight Agrias", "Princess Ovelia", "Swordsman Gaffgarion", "Swordsman Ramza". There, and elsewhere in the dialogue itself, "knight" is written in kanji: 騎士, which literally means "horse-riding warrior", but is always used to mean "knight".
In this battle UI, the knight classes are written in katakana. Agrias is a "Holy Knight", ホーリーナイト, and Gaffgarion is a "Dark Knight", ダークナイト. For comparison, FFXIV's Dark Knight (and other instances of DRK in Final Fantasy games) has been written in kanji, 暗黒騎士.
Ramza and Ladd have their classes written in kanji: 見習い戦士 ("minarai senshi"), "apprentice warrior". I suppose "squire" is a decent translation, although the Japanese term doesn't necessarily mean an apprentice knight.
I have no idea why the difference.
For the bit I think everyone is waiting for, the line in Japanese is "悪いな... 恨むなら自分か神様にしてくれ". Translated more literally, it is indeed closer to "Blame yourself or God". But it's the rest of the lines around it which makes me think the WotL translation captures the feel better.
The original translation has Delita say "Tough. Don't blame us", which is much more aggressive and uncaring than intended. The WotL translation correctly interprets the first line as "Forgive me" or "Sorry". The next line is "If you must hold a grudge, direct it towards yourself or god". Delita is making excuses for himself, but as Omicron points out, he's doing so with moral cowardice and hypocrisy, refusing to take responsibility for his actions. It's like a villain sounding genuinely sympathetic when they say "sorry, bad luck for you" when they're about to defeat the hero.
So "Blame yourself or God" is more accurate when taking the line on its own, but together with the rest of the dialogue surrounding it, I like the WotL interpretation better.
The Japanese dialogue box labels for these fellows is 士官候補生, which translates to "officer/military cadet". Later, the Northern Sky Knight uses the same term to address the group, so he should be calling them "cadets" rather than "knights apprentice".
It amuses me how the class name for Chemist in Japanese is literally "item warrior". (アイテム士)
Gafgarion has a chant when using Shadowblade.
What is Gaffgarion even talking about.
I Googled up a list of spell chants, and assuming Shadowblade is a Dark Knight ability, I think I've found the one this is supposed to be. And it is nothing like what is translated here.
If I'm correct, a closer translation would be "The secrets of the sword in defiance of god, bear witness! Shadowblade!"
At a glance, it looks like the WotL translation is closer.
The people returning from the front are specifically 騎士, ie knights. I don't know if FFT is using the word in its own unique way to mean soldiers in general, but judging from the dialogue we've seen so far, it's almost certainly referring to knights of the "chivalry and honour" sort.
Checking posts from others in this thread, it seems like there might be other sources that lean towards the "common soldiers" interpretation, but going by what I'm reading from the Japanese script site alone, it's definitely knights. I don't know what the other sources might be.
The rest of the lines are accurate for the WotL translation.
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Not Adloquium here, but some poking around turned up a Japanese transcript of the prologue of the PS1 FFT. That particular line comes out as "Sorry about that... If you're feeling bitter, just blame yourself or the gods."
Which reads as if the original and the PSP translations split the difference between them. For myself, the nuance changes a bit depending whether this line is meant to be addressed to the unconscious princess or her late-on-the-scene bodyguard.
FunkyEntropy
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That might be pretty cool done well.
Like, Omi starts using the base tier black magic spells so then we trot out the chants for those three spells.
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I've been pondering this for a while, trying to reconcile the apparent certainty that the line is referring to lower-class soldiers with the line itself explicitly mentioning knights. And we know "knight" in the FFT dialogue so far does imply "honourable and noble", because Gaffgarion and Ramza made a point to differentiate themselves as not knights, but instead mercenaries (傭兵), with all that means for their lack of manners.
One possible answer is in how the line refers to knights: 騎士たち. As in "kishi-tachi", "the group of knights". Which is the obvious and natural reading.
However, it is possible this could have been an uncommon reading of "a group that primarily or significantly contains knights, but may or may not contain others". This is very awkward and strange, and if it is indeed the case the Japanese writers would deserve criticism for writing it so weirdly, but I can't completely rule it out.
Having said that, the WotL translation is still closer, because it mentions knights in the first place. That's why the term is 騎士たち, rather than 兵士たち or 軍人たち, which is what I would have expected for "soldiers".
In short, the line as written is "knights". If it's supposed to be "soldiers", it's not the fault of the translation. Blame the Japanese writers
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Lich King, you're thinking Wrath of the Lich King (commonly abbreviated WotLK).
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No no, it's obviously Wrath of the Lrighteous
will408914
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What do you mean? It's Wrath of the Lamb, this is a Binding of Isaac LP.
Egleris
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Let's say that both things happened: some Knights lost their privileges, and most common soldiers were left without pay. Do you think it'd make sense for the line to be written the way it is if that was what it wanted to communicate?
Marche is history's greatest monster.
I haven't played FFT, but I did play TO PC port (though didn't clear it). It is indeed very similar from what I can see, including the job system (though the PC port simplifies that aspect greatly: the only skills that transfer between classes are weapon skills and attached finishers, everything else is native only, so it's easy to switch classes around without losing anything, but there is also less incentive in doing so since you can't do weird skills combos).
Incidentally, it also goes for slightly archaic dialogue style with characters saying, "You vex me!" and the like. It parses as English well enough, so I don't mind, it's pretty flavorful without being annoying. Hopefully the same holds true for FFT.
But since we're talking about visuals... Gotta say, chibi sprite look really doesn't do it for me, either here or in TO. I had similar issues with FFVI, but at least FFVI was high fantasy. It could do grim, but it was stuff like Kefka poisoning a city, literal supervillain plot. TO and, from what we've seen so far, FFT go for a much more grounded story about imperialism, nationalism, massacres and the like.
And let me tell you, having a character do a monologue about how war makes beasts out of men only to do googly eyes at you to emphasize a point is an Experience.
Is this where Ultimecia has learned Time Kompression?
In TO, at least, chants are a sometimes thing triggered randomly. Possibly it's the case here as well? You may want to replay the sequence again to see if he does the chant every time.
TO has an interesting take on it: enemies also leave behind treasure or stat-raising cards (though they don't have a revival mechanic, they just die), so you may think the incentives are the same... But you're rarely required to actually kill everyone on the map. Normally, you just need to kill the leader unit, at which point the battle ends no matter how many enemies remain. Combined with the fact that in the PC version your max level is harshly capped (it increases as you do more story) and that the game loves throwing at you enemies who are slightly above said cap, it becomes a push your luck mechanic: you can fuck around and try to kill as many enemies as you can to get rich, but it's really, really risky as opposed to rushing the leader and alpha-striking them.
(Of course, in practice, if you need money, you'd just go to a side location where enemies are easier and respawn, giving you an infinite source of income, so it's mostly a theoretical point.)
Perhaps that's going to be the case in FFT as well: we'd need to see how it handles battle objectives and enemy scaling.
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Hope its not a bother, but have you considered putting in the informational tab a list of FF media that are planed to be covered in this thread? A checklist of sorts for ease of following, especially with people who have favorite part of the series in one of the spin offs
First, HYPE.
May I suggest let the thread-goers enlist/draft notables?
It is closer to the original hebrew name, Simon being the Latinised version
cB557
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A truly complete list might not be possible, as there have been things covered that I don't think were initially planned. The FF7 movie, or this game right now, for example.
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Yeah i get it, my OCD brain just needs something to know something isnt missed
For anyone raised by anime, that's a crucial part of the coolness. We've all been Pavlov'd into thinking that shit like "Flashing Vengeance Draw" is the raddest thing ever.
"It sounds better in Japanese!" is, in fact, a spell chant itself.
Wrath of the Lefteous.