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Let's Play Every Final Fantasy Game In Order Of Release [Now Playing: Final Fantasy IX]

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Thozmp said:
Maybe Cid's mission was the first maned flight? I assume there were other attempts, otherwise these people are even crazier, "This is our first rocketry attempt! Let's stick a person on there as well, because Profit, I guess."
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See, me, I took Barret's orbital bombardment LB as an indicator that AVALANCHE is a larger organization than just Barret's cell.

I'd also kinda hoped Omi would've found out about it organically through the course of play, but oh well :V
 
foamy said:
See, me, I took Barret's orbital bombardment LB as an indicator that AVALANCHE is a larger organization than just Barret's cell.
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... Implying that AVALANCHE made secret space missions to install kill sats in orbit without anyone knowing?

I'm just trying to answer the question of the satellite beam, when space missions seemed to have just died out almost completely. I mean, Shinra is planning to use a rusty rocket that's just been sitting around for a decade or so, which kind of implies that they don't have any other options.
 
All of you.

You are overthinking this.

Stop.

Listen.

Look at this man.



Look at him.

Do you doubt.

For one moment.

That if this man wanted to hurl a laser cannon into orbit through sheer force of will.

That he could not do so?

...

I didn't think so.
 
Kuja said:
Ultimate Weapon/G Gundam
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I knew the dev team had good taste, but I didn't expect it to be this immaculate. The second phase of the Ruby Weapon fight in XIV has big Devil Gundam energy for sure though.

EDIT: Though given what MS's Ruby and Diamond are modeled after, there should never have been any doubt as to their great choice of giant robots.
 
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On the subject of Barrett's LBs, it will forever amuse me that his killsat is the weaker level 3 LB.

My man really goes from "orbital death laser" to "shoot them, but like, a lot". Even better that under ideal circumstances Ungermax/Angermax is the single best attack in the game (tied with Highwind for hits but charges faster). Goes to show that "more dakka" is always better.
 
Omicron said:
There is something hilariously fucked up about calling Shinra's big plane by the name of one of the most infamous historical bombings on record.

Although as a correction, Guernica wasn't bombed during WW2, and saying it was bombed by the Germans is correct but misleading; the bombing occurred during the Spanish Civil War at the behest of the Spanish Fascists under Franco. It's an important historical event because it was basically the first mass bombing of civilians using aircraft, and would foreshadow the enormous death toll of "strategic bombing" a few years later.
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Ah, my bad, didn't dig deeper like I should have. On that note, someone should probably update the FF wiki page. For reference, this is the Gelnika, I believe we've seen it in a couple cutscenes, just not named.



No clue what the text says though.

Omicron said:
God, how do you even explain that one diagetically.

I guess Barret hijacked Shinra's weaponized satellite network we never heard of to-

Wait a minute. Does the FF7 setting even have satellites? Wasn't Cid's rocket their first actual attempt at reaching space?
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Well, Palmer is still in charge of the space program, so presumably something is happening there. For all we know, that something might be "turn the sector zero arcology into a mothership" as the Shinra escape plan once the mako runs out. But something must be going on, I don't see an entire department sticking around to be a money sink.

Of course, that doesn't explain letting Cid's Rocket rust away on the launchpad. If it was a good location geographically to escape gravity's reach with a human on board, surely it would be just as good for satellite payloads? Or perhaps they found somewhere better on the Wutai continent after the war.
 
I always thought The Rocket, which had those four external boosters and was painted Soviet Green, looked like an R7, which was the rocket platform used all the way from Sputnik to Volstok to Soyuz.

The R7 was originally designed as an ICBM to deliver H-Bombs, which implies some really great things about that war with Wutai.
 
BLARGHER said:
On the subject of Barrett's LBs, it will forever amuse me that his killsat is the weaker level 3 LB.

My man really goes from "orbital death laser" to "shoot them, but like, a lot". Even better that under ideal circumstances Ungermax/Angermax is the single best attack in the game (tied with Highwind for hits but charges faster). Goes to show that "more dakka" is always better.
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Barrett has internalized the lesson of Akira vis a vis orbital lasers. They are cool-looking and nice to have, but ultimately employing them is anywhere from futile to counterproductive.
 
Just because the strikes appear to land vertically doesn't mean they came from orbit; plenty of artillery can - oh, it's literally named Satellite Beam?

Sorry Squeenix, all y'all wrote yourselves that plot hole.
 
Omicron said:
foamy what the fuck.

We're not grinding to lv 99 on this playthrough, that's something I can guarantee you.
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That's 100% reasonable.

Something I want to note: L99 isn't even the endpoint of the grinding, between the AP for materia and the fact that you can get Sources from some enemies... and at L99 your characters are at less than 1/2 their nominal maximum stats :(


This 'master all your materia' achievement is gonna be the death of me. I've managed it with all the Summon and Magic materia (EDIT: Forgot about 1 of each, damnit) but there's still several more I don't even have the base copy of yet because they're only found in the final dang dungeon :(
 
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So, fun trick you can do is put multiple of the same materia, each linked to a different support materia, and get all the support effects at once. It's entirely possible to roll into a fight, cast 1 spell, and also rob them, stab them, heal yourself and recharge your mp, without inputting a single command!

Also, Phoenix has an additional effect. It raises any downed characters when summoned. Paired with a certain materia that should be available fairly soon...
 
Cyn said:
So, fun trick you can do is put multiple of the same materia, each linked to a different support materia, and get all the support effects at once. It's entirely possible to roll into a fight, cast 1 spell, and also rob them, stab them, heal yourself and recharge your mp, without inputting a single command!

Also, Phoenix has an additional effect. It raises any downed characters when summoned. Paired with a certain materia that should be available fairly soon...
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The problem is that you can have a maximum of 200 materia and if you get more stuff starts getting silently overwritten.

Ask me how I know
 
Omicron said:
i don't understand how you play games or why you play them the way you do but it scares me
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Doing the same thing for a long stretch of time but with predictable and constant rewards is surprisingly soothing.

'Three more fights to the All materia' BING 'now five fights to the Counter Attack Materia' BING 'now three or four more fights and Yuffie will level' BING

Time kinda disappears.

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Also, FF7 is literally the game that taught me to play games like this :V
 
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foamy said:
The problem is that you can have a maximum of 200 materia and if you get more stuff starts getting silently overwritten.

Ask me how I know
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The only time I ever got close to 200 materia was when I was grinding for full sets of the masters, since you need to use a new set every time. Generally I only keep one copy of a materia, unless I'm fucking around with weird builds.
 
foamy said:
This 'master all your materia' achievement is gonna be the death of me. I've managed it with all the Summon and Magic materia but there's still several more I don't even have the base copy of yet because they're only found in the final dang dungeon :(
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FF7 on PC has steam achievements? I'd expect 7R part one, but the original?
 
Mizu said:
FF7 on PC has steam achievements? I'd expect 7R part one, but the original?
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Yep. Trophies for the Playstation rereleases as well. You can see the 'ACHIEVEMENT SYNCHRONIZED' text in that first screenshot of the Emerald Weapon battle results, the one with Barret.

Cyn said:
So, fun trick you can do is put multiple of the same materia, each linked to a different support materia, and get all the support effects at once. It's entirely possible to roll into a fight, cast 1 spell, and also rob them, stab them, heal yourself and recharge your mp, without inputting a single command!

Also, Phoenix has an additional effect. It raises any downed characters when summoned. Paired with a certain materia that should be available fairly soon...
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Oh, follow up to this: Support materia does combine more or less as described but only if you activated the ability yourself. If it's an automatic trigger -- a Counter Magic or Sneak Attack, for example -- it will only do the standard, un-linked ability.
 
Egleris said:
Out of curiosity and for clarity, how would you differentiate a "gimmick fight" from a "non-gimmick fight"?
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The question wasn't asked to me, but I figure I might as well give my take: To me, a gimmick fight is a fight that is won by adopting a particular strategy designed to counter a "gimmick" specific to the opponent, and which can't (or can't normally) be overcome simply by "playing the game well."

For instance, in FFV, I consider Shinryu a gimmick fight, but not Omega. In order to defeat Omega, you of course need to optimize your party and devise a particular strategy and know the counter to specific moves, and certain combination of accessories will block some combination of Omega's moves, but not all of them; various party configurations are viable (for instance, the Wiki recommends a Bard, but I did not use one and still won), and at the end of the day, strategy and execution are what will carry the day. Meanwhile, Shinryu is an absolutely overwhelming opponent whose sheer damage output will simply trample over almost any defenses and make strategy and party composition irrelevant unless you grind to much, much higher levels than the game expects you to complete it at... But his ability set is such that by simply equipping the right items it's possible to completely negate its damage output, rendering the fight trivial. If you do anything but the specific "gimmick" the game wants you to (load up everyone on immunities), it's an overwhelming opponent. If you don't, it's trivial.

To me, that's the difference between a gimmick fight and a non-gimmick fight.
 
Omicron said:
There is something hilariously fucked up about calling Shinra's big plane by the name of one of the most infamous historical bombings on record.

Although as a correction, Guernica wasn't bombed during WW2, and saying it was bombed by the Germans is correct but misleading; the bombing occurred during the Spanish Civil War at the behest of the Spanish Fascists under Franco. It's an important historical event because it was basically the first mass bombing of civilians using aircraft, and would foreshadow the enormous death toll of "strategic bombing" a few years later.
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I thought it was the German "aerial volunteer corps", sent to test out new tactics for the upcoming war. Whether it was ordered by Franco or not, I don't know.

There's a story (could be apocryphal) about a German officer seeing the Guernica (the painting by Pablo Picasso that was inspired by said bombing) and asked "Did you do this?"
Picasso answered "No, you did."
Kuja said:
Oh yes, before we forget-



Most of the Weapons bear strong resemblances to various mecha from the Mobile Suit Gundam franchise, with Emerald taking its look from the mobile armor Neue Ziel from Mobile Suit Gundam: 0083. If you don't remember, it's the one were Anavel Gato says "Solomon I have returned" and then nukes the Federation navy.

The Sapphire Weapon concept art shows that prior to its de-craniumization by the Junon Cannon, it bore a passing resemblance to the Doggoria from Victory Gundam.

The Ultimate Weapon went through several designs, initially named Onyx Weapon, but once granted its upgrade to Ultimate status, it evolved into a centaur-like design very much like the Ultimate Gundam (later Devil Gundam) from G Gundam.

Remaining Weapons will be discussed in time.
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God, I thought I was just imagining that they had lifted it almost exactly from some mecha series. Also, kind of funny for the Will of the Planet to create metallic robots instead of more organic-looking stuff like actual kaiju. Or maybe Square was more comfortable ripping off paying homage to Gundam than Gojira.
 
Hoo boy.

Emerald Weapon is the only one of the FF7 superbosses I've taken down, and it took so fucking long even after I found a strategy that lets me endure most of his stunts.

Except one.

Aire. Tam. Storm.
I mean, in hindsight, with the wisdom of adulthood, the gimmick makes sense in a clever 'Oh I see what you did there' way. But for a dumb kid who only knows to bash his head against a wall until his skull breaks or the wall does, just having the fight end with a TPK the moment his AI spits that particular trick out is a problem, especially when the actual solution is counterintuitive with everything else in the game.

"This fight is a gorillafest except surprise one of the moves in his list is a Gimmick and if you don't specifically prepare to mitigate it, it just kills you without any possible chance of recovery" is just... Ugh.
 
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foamy said:
but there's still several more I don't even have the base copy of yet because they're only found in the final dang dungeon
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...I mean, I don't want to tell you that you're doing it wrong, but... you're supposed to make it to the penultimate screen of the final dungeon, collecting everything there, then go outside and fight the superbosses. Several of the Materia unique to the Final Dungeon are, if not strictly better, at least equally as useful as the rare ones you can get outside of it, and of course if you're mastering everything, well, you can't master Enemy Skill anywhere else.
 
Egleris said:
...I mean, I don't want to tell you that you're doing it wrong, but... you're supposed to make it to the penultimate screen of the final dungeon, collecting everything there, then go outside and fight the superbosses. Several of the Materia unique to the Final Dungeon are, if not strictly better, at least equally as useful as the rare ones you can get outside of it, and of course if you're mastering everything, well, you can't master Enemy Skill anywhere else.
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I know, but I'm trying to avoid playing ahead of Omicron on the plot beats.
 
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