Hm, what does that make the other party members? I guess Red XIII is the groups strangely competent pet that saves the day at the last minute... and Cait Sith is obviously The Mole who double crosses the group, except maybe he then Double-Double Crosses Shinra as well.
Let's Play Every Final Fantasy Game In Order Of Release [Now Playing: Final Fantasy IX]
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Fair.
That may be the phrase I was looking for; I dashed off the post at work in between client meetings.
Now I'm mad we didn't get this!
You know, I've seen some ideas where FF7 had diverging paths where whoever you went on the date with at Gold Saucer dies at the end of Disc I, but I think something just as interesting would be letting the player decide at this point who to make the party leader - with slightly divergent plot points from there on. It would put the decision back into the player's hands instead of making them feel railroaded, and they wouldn't feel gyped if they had really been looking forward to (or dreading) a certain character taking charge.
On another note, though on the same overall topic, I think Chrono Trigger does a better job at handling the "main character" reshuffling at its own turning point. Though in case @Omnicron decides to play that game, too, maybe I shouldn't say too much about that.
On another note, though on the same overall topic, I think Chrono Trigger does a better job at handling the "main character" reshuffling at its own turning point. Though in case @Omnicron decides to play that game, too, maybe I shouldn't say too much about that.
FourthWall
Love & Destroy
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So the world's about to end, the Angels WEAPONS are attacking, Cloud's a vegetable, Tifa is not in a good headspace, and we have to rely on a problematic old cuss as leader.
If this were any more Eva, Tifa'd be buffing her clam in the bathroom
If this were any more Eva, Tifa'd be buffing her clam in the bathroom
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If this were any more Eva, Tifa'd be buffing her clam in the bathroom
Except the budget hasn't gone to shit
That was Xenogears
-Aerith downloads herself into Cloud's Brain.-
The trick is to go do something *else* so the next number in the seed comes up for that, and change the order of things until you get one that works.
"Who could have guessed that crossdressing would turn out to be such a useful skill?"
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"There's a lady in my head who calls me studmuffin."
Kuja
I'M A SQUIIIID
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"Lots of room in here, I see."
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In other news, I'm postponing going to the City of the Ancients and just wandering around the world trying out the Morph materia on various things, checking in on various towns, etc. One of those was Rocket Town which I stopped by with Cid in the party to check on Shera.
Which is when I noticed something. In Cid's whole-ass house where two people appear to be living, there's no beds. It consists of a kitchen/dining area, a bathroom, a workshop (Shera's puttering away in there on a revisit), and this:
That ratty couch is the closest thing to a bed that these two people, who have been living there for years, appear to have!
Now, I can buy Cid crashing there every night and never bothering to get a proper bed. But where the hell is Shera sleeping? The floor? The car in the workshop? Staying at the inn every night? Somehow wedging herself into that tiny couch with Cid????
I HAVE QUESTIONS.
I also have some major engineering concerns in regards to this bridge:
A rope bridge derives its strength from being a natural catenary arch in tension, but the fixed steel rails restrict its ability to flex and to assume the correct shapes, and further those are curved rails which would've been extremely challenging to lay and fit on a swaying platform and also how the hell does a train handle all these grades, and what the hell is that rope made out of that it could handle the dynamic loading of a train moving across it....
Which is when I noticed something. In Cid's whole-ass house where two people appear to be living, there's no beds. It consists of a kitchen/dining area, a bathroom, a workshop (Shera's puttering away in there on a revisit), and this:
That ratty couch is the closest thing to a bed that these two people, who have been living there for years, appear to have!
Now, I can buy Cid crashing there every night and never bothering to get a proper bed. But where the hell is Shera sleeping? The floor? The car in the workshop? Staying at the inn every night? Somehow wedging herself into that tiny couch with Cid????
I HAVE QUESTIONS.
I also have some major engineering concerns in regards to this bridge:
A rope bridge derives its strength from being a natural catenary arch in tension, but the fixed steel rails restrict its ability to flex and to assume the correct shapes, and further those are curved rails which would've been extremely challenging to lay and fit on a swaying platform and also how the hell does a train handle all these grades, and what the hell is that rope made out of that it could handle the dynamic loading of a train moving across it....
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Guile
Having a really great time right now
perfectly good bathtub right thereWhich is when I noticed something. In Cid's whole-ass house where two people appear to be living, there's no beds. It consists of a kitchen/dining area, a bathroom, a workshop (Shera's puttering away in there on a revisit), and this:
That ratty-ass couch is the closest thing to a bed these two people, who have been living there for years, appear to have!
Now, I can buy Cid crashing there every night and never bothering to get a proper bed. But where the hell is Shera sleeping? The floor? The car in the workshop? Staying at the inn every night? Somehow wedging herself into that tiny couch with Cid????
I HAVE QUESTIONS.
Kuja
I'M A SQUIIIID
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Boring answer: from the outside you can see there's a second floor to Cid's house, presumably there's an unseen door somewhere in the back or side that leads to the upper floor where the bedrooms are. A little awkward but eh.
Meme answer: Shera can't sleep she has another last-minute check to do.
So, in any given work, no character got the same importance to the story. "tiers", the kids may call it.
And in our merry crew, Cid is definitely a c-list character, together with Nanaki and Vincent. Less than optional character Yuffie.
I mean, how many scenes have he got since introduction, that ain't group shots? Zero. Maybe one if you count the Highwind airmen defecting.
So, the sudden gear shift to "leader, mandatory character" is a bit jarring.
And in our merry crew, Cid is definitely a c-list character, together with Nanaki and Vincent. Less than optional character Yuffie.
I mean, how many scenes have he got since introduction, that ain't group shots? Zero. Maybe one if you count the Highwind airmen defecting.
So, the sudden gear shift to "leader, mandatory character" is a bit jarring.
IIRC, in Fort Condor? you can just go AFK in the minigame, and then just beat a boss in a regular fight, and still get the regular reward.
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The item drop from the boss in the final Ft. Condor sequence is better than the reward for winning the minigame, so yeah.
Actually, to the subject of Huge Materia generally @Omicron: These are quests you can fail, and still continue the game, and some of them are IIRC kind of tricky. I suggest trying to get them all done properly because there are missable rewards if you fail them.
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Oh, yeah, I totally forgot to bring it up in the update, but it turns out that Palmer...
...is actually still alive and still sitting on the Shinra board of directors???
I swear to god, the rich get away with anything.
After going through every town that first came to mind I looked up a guide to make sure I hadn't missed anything that pointed me to Cosmo Canyon where I had totally forgotten to go first
What, you mean like, as the protagonist of the game?
I mean, it's hard to tell. For one thing, Cloud is the central character of the narrative; even if someone else is our point of view character, it won't change the fact that Sephiroth and Cloud are intrisincally linked, that Sephiroth's influence over Cloud is responsible for several major twists, and so on.
I definitely feel like Tifa as the POV character would be interesting, and a good chance to, for instance, explore her friendship with Aerith more in depth, see her complicated feelings first-hand, build up the mystery of Cloud's whole deal as "this strange childhood friend who Isn't Quite Right" would have given it a compelling mystery angle, and ultimately I'm always going to be in favor of playing a female protagonist who is also a physical fighter over the alternatives, but...
Well, it feels kinda like, if you'll excuse a very approximate analogy, playing Watson in a Sherlock Holmes game. Certainly not invalid, and you could do some really interesting things with the format, but you're not playing the protagonist.
This is very funny because literally the first thing you do upon gaining control of Cid as party leader is run into an extremely sick Yuffie who is like "Cid?? What the fuck are they thinking" before going back to moaning and retching (while still managing to throw in a comment about how everyone wants to talk to a total babe like her).
It's because of air sickness rather than a hangover, but, same idea really.
I dunno, but could you please spoiler or resize these pictures? They eat up most of the page on my desktop computer, it's a pain.This is the second time at least you've mentioned only being able to use Cloud in the Battle Square but... aside from the plot run to get the Keystone, which does force Cloud, for the normal Battle Square runs you can choose anyone in your active party. Cloud is often the best choice to this point in the game by virtue of being a do-everything kind of character with more levels than the others, but you could absolutely have been soloing the gauntlet with Tifa or Aerith or Vincent if you'd wanted to.
Or at least, you should've been able to.
Are you not getting these screens?
By "second time" you're probably referring to the time I said "We have to pay GP to enter a series of single matches in an arena (using Cloud exclusively)"; that was because at the time I was doing repeat runs of the "free" Battle Square session to get the Keystone, in which you are locked into using Cloud exclusively, so I assumed it would be the same for normal paid run, and the fact that I then got the menu to select a party member the one time outside of those repeat tries I did it the normal way probably slipped my mind. Unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be much reason to use anyone other than Cloud, what with him being several levels above everyone and having very good all-around stats to begin with.
(Tifa, tragically, is at lv 45 one of my lower-level characters with only Cait Sith, Barret and Red being at or below that level; I had hoped her solo sequence might solve that but, well, it was not meant to be.)
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Sure, done.
Egleris
Vagrant Dragon
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Wait, does this mean Cid is actually higher level than Tifa? How did that happen if you weren't using him at all?
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Your inactive characters still get (reduced) XP from your fights, and Cid is set up with boosted levels compared to the average party level (which itself is usually pulled upwards by Cloud), so you might get everyone else at, say, 40, Cloud at 50, and Cid will come in at 44.
It takes a fair amount to actually overcome that.
ApocalypticFish
Been reflecting lately.
yuffie is a role-model and an icon
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No, Egleris is right actually, even with these advantages the never-used Cid is still only LV 43, two levels behind Tifa.
I just forgot to count him like I do every time. My brain simply refuses to remember his existence.
I just forgot to count him like I do every time. My brain simply refuses to remember his existence.
Kuja
I'M A SQUIIIID
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Egleris
Vagrant Dragon
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- Italy
Yes, I know how the game works. That still never allowed Cid to overtake Tifa in my playthroughs, and even accounting for the fact Tifa is my favorite FFVII character and thus would always have the second spot in my party, Yuffie and Red, the two who would more often take turns in the third spot, would also tend to be higher leveled than Cid by the point the game forced him on me, because he literally never saw a fight before that moment. Hence my question.
You know how people joked that he got hit by a truck and isekai'd?
He was, but the Other World didn't want him and sent him back. Can't blame them, really.