First of all, here's the map again:
Just some ideas on how to implement systems, characters, etc. Gonna be taking a lot of inspiration from the more recent Nobunaga's Ambition games.
One thing that I like in that the more recent games, both characters and clan have a "Tenet" category that denotes their feelings toward innovation. On the clan level, this affects what policies the daimyō can implement, while on the personal level it affects loyalty. The three categories are pretty self-explanatory: "Progressive," "Neutral" and "Conservative." A clan's Tenet is decided (not factoring in special buildings and whatnot) by the Tenet scores of all the clan's members, though the daimyō obviously carries much more weight than any individual clansman or retainer.
There are also "Ideals," which denote a character's motives for what they do. In-game it just affects loyalty, but it's also a good insight into character. The Ideals are Fame, Clan, Profit, Justice, Talent, Mastery, and Spirit. Also Ambition, but only one character has that (no guesses as to who that is).
Anyway, first I'm going to think about how to portray certain characters in the Chūgoku region.
The borders on the map mark the modern-day prefectures, BTW, not the old provinces.
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Lifepsan: 1458-1541 Tenet: Neutral Ideal: Spirit
LEA 88, VAL 77, INT 99, POL 88
Tactic: Trick Master - Greatly weakens enemies in front
It would be easy to write Tsunehisa as nothing but a greedy, backstabbing schemer. As anyone who knows my writing can guess, I don't like taking the easy route with characterization, and while they usually go for the low-hanging fruit in Samurai Warriors, Koei tends to agree with me when they write Nobunaga's Ambition. They've made Tsunehisa someone who I don't really understand, but am intrigued by, which I think is the point.
First of all, note his Ideal. I'm actually not sure what "Spirit" means, but Tsunehisa shares it with people like Takeda Shingen and Date Masamune. I think it might denote fighting for a cause or belief that's more spiritual/conceptual, rather than something more personal or concrete like "Clan" or "Profit" are. Both Shingen and Masamune made great sacrifices to try to bring peace and prosperity to their people, even killing members of their own family; the only way to really make that palatable is to give them some higher purpose they're fighting for.
So what's Tsunehisa's ideal? I don't really want to make the things Tsunehisa does justified, per se, nor even understandable, but they should be something that makes him interesting.
I think I want Tsunehisa to be a man who has willingly chosen to embody the chaos of the Sengoku Jidai. He's survived and thrived because he, more than anyone of his time, has taken to heart the lessons of his era, and even revels in it and finds it admirable. In the Sengoku Jidai, power and success are the ultimate signifiers of righteousness; concepts of honor and loyalty are to be held only by those without the power and the will to subvert them.
To pursue the goal of being a "Sword Saint," many swordsmen cut down people who had never done them any harm, not because they bore them ill will, but because that is the Way of someone who pursues true mastery of the sword. As the "Saint of Schemes," Tsunehisa, I think, will approach his schemes in a similar way. He doesn't do what he does for profit, or out of malice; he does it because it is his Way There's no hard feelings for the people he crushes, they're just steps on his road to perfection of his Way.
In most cases, but Motonari will evoke a different response. I plan to portray Motonari as the greatest strategist of the Sengoku Jidai (meanwhile Shingen will be the greatest general, Kenshin the greatest warrior, and Ujiyasu the greatest civil official), and as such he becomes the one rival that Tsunehisa feels any strong emotion towards. Being significantly older than Motonari (30+ years) and given geography, I think Motonari will have learned much of his early schemes and tactics from stories of Tsunehisa's exploits. Tsunehisa will recognize this, and also that Motonari threatens to not only match him as a schemer, but surpass him, and will single him out to the exclusion of all others. Even when the Mōri are just minor Aki daimyō serving as lackeys to the Ōuchi, Tsunehisa will recognize them as his greatest threat. His death will coincide only with the failure of his very last scheme to kill Motonari, and he will die not with bitter words, but by saying that he will live on in the schemes of Motonari and anyone inspired to plot and conspire because of him, and a request for Motonari to continue to "walk the path of conquest with me."
At the same time, Tsunehisa isn't totally inhuman in his behavior; he recognizes the awfulness of the times he lives in, even as he embraces them. When his grandson and successor Haruhisa returns from killing his own rebellious uncle (Tsunehisa's 3rd son Okihisa) and tries to act like it doesn't affect him, Tsunehisa will chide him for it, saying that it's important to recognize the inherent foolishness and difficulty of fighting your own kin, but at the same time telling him that this is a task that the head of a clan in these times must be able to bear. And when Haruhisa falls short as a schemer (albeit only compared to Tsunehisa and Motonari themselves) and suffers defeat, Tsunehisa will offer him comfort and assure him that he still has time to grow. Even as Tsunehisa discards his own siblings and sons for the sake of his schemes, he does everything in his power to protect Haruhisa, and Motonari notes at times that it would help his schemes more not to do so. No matter how he tries to discard his feelings to better encapsulate the Way of a schemer, Tsunehisa will always have a soft spot for his grandson.Lifespan: 1513-1560 Tenet: Neutral Ideal: Fame
LEA 94, VAL 85, INT 90, POL 89
Tactic: Crack Troops - Raises melee ATK and SPD and destroys stockades
Haruhisa is a young man (just 22 at the time he kills his own uncle and becomes his grandfather's heir and general) who lost his father before he ever knew him, and so in lieu of him idolizes his grandfather. He doesn't really understand Tsunehisa, and believes that when Tsunehisa talks of being "above" petty evil (speaking of the fact that he schemes because it is his Way and not for profit or malice), Haruhisa takes it to mean that his grandfather's schemes are for the greater good. After all, his scheming has ensured Amago rule over many provinces that now don't fight each other constantly as they did before his rule.
Haruhisa lives in his grandfather's shadow; though very intelligent as a strategist in his own right, he's really more a commander than a schemer and just doesn't measure up to his grandfather or his grandfather's great rival Motonari. He's thus driven to recklessness in his drive to make a name for himself, to prove to the world that he truly is Tsunehisa's heir. He leads the Amago's march toward the capital with great skill, getting as far as Harima (after that, the only thing standing between him and the capital would be Settsu Province) before being forced to turn back when the Ōuchi and Mōri threaten the Amago lands.
Haruhisa will at first be dismissive of Motonari, seeing only his lack of real power, but Tsunehisa's constant admonitions against this kind of thinking, and comparisons Tsunehisa will make to Motonari and Haruhisa, will make him Haruhisa's special target when he returns from his aborted campaign. His numbers will make him confident, but Motonari's unconventional tactics will slow and weaken his much larger army until Sue Harukata sweeps in with reinforcements, dealing Haruhisa a humiliating loss.
Incidentally, this will also lead to the last stand of Harukata's uncle, Amago Hisayuki. Hisayuki will argue against Haruhisa's protracted campaign in Aki and urge him to retreat, leading the brash Haruhisa to mockingly name him the "Coward of Yashū" and expel him from his council. When the tide of the battle turns, Hisayuki and only a handful of soldiers will volunteer to guard Haruhisa's retreat. Hisayuki will swear to take as many of the enemy with him as he can and refuse to think of retreat or surrender, and will urge his men to do the same by asking them if they have less courage than the "Coward of Yashū." They all die to a man, but stall the enemy long enough for Haruhisa and the bulk of the Amago forces to retreat back to Izumo.
Haruhisa will be very changed by this campaign, carrying heavy regrets about both the foolishness of his campaign and his terrible treatment toward his uncle, who sacrificed his life for the ungrateful boy who called him a coward. When the Amago's enemies counterattack, Haruhisa will have learned his lessons well: not only is he less brash and reckless, less desperate to make a name for himself, he also learns the lesson that numbers don't replace tactics, adapting Motonari's own tactics to wage asymmetric warfare against a numerically superior opponent. That said, it's still Tsunehisa's schemes that ultimately turn the tables in the Amago's favor, as he engineers a mass defection of the Ōuchi allies that sends them into a bloody rout. Seeing this plan his grandfather had cooked up even before Haruhisa's botched campaign into Aki and with his own contributions to the Amago's defense completely overshadowed by it, Haruhisa will begin to despair of ever matching up to either Tsunehisa or Motonari.
"Despair" pretty much is going to sum up the rest of Haruhisa's life. Again and again, he's outwitted by Motonari, who engineers betrayals and deaths to keep the Amago paralyzed while he devours the Ōuchi lands and then turns to the Amago themselves, eventually causing Haruhisa's suicide in battle. Haruhisa's son, even more out of his depth than his father was, will die when the Amago do, as the Mōri devour them whole.
From a very young man, eager to live up to the legacy of his beloved grandfather that he thinks the world of, Haruhisa's life will be one long string of defeats, humiliations and loss. By the time he takes his life in his 40s, he will be a mere shell of who he once was, driven to the very brink by Motonari and his sons.Lifespan: 1507-1551 Tenet: Conservative Ideal: Fame
LEA 84, VAL 60, INT 84, POL 98
Tactic: Caution - Lowers SPD, but raises DEF
A recurring theme that I'll be having with the characters in this quest, I think, will be the comparisons and contrasts between parent and child, and how the parents influence their children. As I mentioned before, Yoshitaka's father Yoshioki was an incredibly successful military man, even taking control of the capital and the Shōgun during his lifetime. But at the same time, Yoshioki's life was essentially a constant battle, always on one campaign or another (Incidentally, though he's dead from the start, Yoshioki's stats are: LEA 93, VAL 91, INT 86, POL 82).
Yoshitaka will have seen the way a life of constant battle wore his father down day after day, year after year, and while he'll respect his father enormously and try to expand his clan's power, he's never going to be as aggressive about it as he could be. Even before his crushing defeat against the Amago leads to the death of many of his friends, retainers, and even his only son and saps his will to expand militarily, he'll always be a man of culture over war. In his mind, his father spent his whole life making the Ōuchi strong, but never got to enjoy the fruits of his efforts. Is it wrong for Yoshitaka to enjoy the results of his father's hard work that was passed on to him? Especially when he still adds to it, albeit in a different manner.
In that capacity, he'll be amazing. In Yoshitaka's time, his capital at Yamaguchi flourishes not just economically but culturally and artistically; while the Ōuchi samurai grumble at his unwarlike pursuits, the farmers, merchants and artisans will all be singing his praises. In a more peaceful time, Yoshitaka would have gone down as a truly great leader.
But the Sengoku Jidai is not peaceful, and a man who is unwilling to don the tool of the military when prompted is not likely to survive.
Sue Harukata was actually once Yoshitaka's closest friend, and the two were raised alongside one another; in fact, before he revolted and placed a puppet at the head of the clan, Harukata's name was Takafusa, a sign of his master's great esteem for him. The betrayal he feels when his once fondest friend turns on him… In the end, Yoshitaka will serve partly as an example of what a different place the Sengoku Jidai is. The ideas of what makes a good leader are very different in this time, and no one is really successful enough to escape the warfare and violence of the times.Lifespan: 1521-1555 Tenet: Conservative Ideal: Talent
LEA 96, VAL 89, INT 92, POL 88
Tactic: Pierce - Briefly but significantly increases melee ATK
Only a few characters will be presented as truly evil, and while Harukata isn't quite there, he's definitely going to be one of the most selfish and morally gray characters.
Harukata is essentially born with a silver spoon in his mouth. His father was one of Yoshioki's top generals, and he was raised alongside his eventual master Yoshitaka, who trusted him completely and made him his chief general at a very young age, a promotion he justified with a string of early victories.
As the "Talent" Ideal shows, Harukata is mainly motivated by his pride in his own skills. He takes his title as the "Peerless General of the West" very seriously, and is always eager to prove it. He's good at the more civil side of governance, but his mind is always on warfare, where all the glory and adulation is to be found in a samurai culture.
Like Amago Haruhisa, Sue Harukata will be driven to recklessness in his eagerness; not out a drive to prove himself worthy, but to prove that he's the best. Harukata has been praised and adored for his skills his entire life, and never intends for it to stop. He's at the top of the Ōuchi, and plans to take the Ōuchi to the top.
But then Yoshitaka loses his nerve for fighting, and ignores military matters entirely. Harukata finds himself obsolete in his own clan, finds himself rapidly losing all his influence and favor, losing all the praise and adulation and reward he's grown accustomed to. Motonari, of course, will fan the flames, since weakness in the Ōuchi means opportunity for the Mōri to grow and expand their influence. But in the end, the decision to rebel, to kill his master and closest friend simply so that he can continue to live a life of praise and influence, is all Harukata's.
After gaining real control over his clan, Harukata will completely reverse Yoshitaka's policies, launching full-scale militarization of his domain (which leads to serious economic problems that Motonari and his sons are going to take al ong time sorting out). Recognizing Motonari's skill and growing power, he tries to put him down, but is outplayed at Itsukushima, completely ruined in a battle that, until the very end, he believed would be just one more of the great triumphs that have followed him around his entire life.
During his last campaign, Harukata will repeatedly feel unease, feel like he's walking into a trap he has no hope of escaping, but will dismiss it each time. His entire worldview is built around him being the "Peerless General of the West," after all. He betrayed his master and best friend just to keep that title. If some no-name clan from Aki can get the better of him… what was it all for?
As his defeat grows more and more apparent, as the net closes tighter and tighter around him, Harukata breaks down completely at the gulf that exists between him and Motonari. What drives him to suicide isn't just that he's lost and has no hope of escape, but the simple knowledge that it was all for nothing. His ego destroyed, his motivations rendered moot, his accomplishments undone in a single day, Sue Harukata dies knowing that he'll be nothing but a footnote to Motonari's triumph.Lifespan: 1545-1578 Tenet: Neutral Ideal: Justice
LEA 92, VAL 96, INT 86, POL 50
Tactic: Crescent Moon - Lowers DEF, but greatly raises ATK
Shikanosuke considered the crescent moon his guardian (he was born under one), and prayed to it at his every trial. When the Amago suffered loss after loss to the Mōri, he prays not for salvation, but to endure trial after trial, so that he might gain the strength to revitalize his liege's clan.
The defining facet of Shikanosuke's life is his unswerving loyalty to the Amago, and he never, even for a moment, gives up on fighting to restore their faded glory. By the time he's a man fully grown and ready to fight, the war is pretty much over, and the Mōri are entrenched in their power. Even though Motonari is already dead by this point, his two extraordinarily talented sons and the simple fact of the horrible disparity in power between the two forces makes his battle hopeless, but he never despairs.
But he fails. He sweeps through Izumo and takes it almost overnight, but the moment the Mōri retaliate, even his great might on the battlefield can't save them. The Amago Restoration Army is crushed by the overwhelming Mōri forces, and he's captured after he stays behind to hold back the enemy to let his lord, Amago Katsuhisa, to escape.
Impressed by his abilities, the Mōri try to recruit Shikanosuke, pointing out that the Amago are finished, no matter what he does: why fight against reality, when he could become one of the top generals for one of the most powerful clans in Japan? But again, Shikanosuke is defined by loyalty; in later days, he'll be one of the samurai the Edo Period obsesses over as they try to retroactively change what samurai were like in the Sengoku Jidai.
Being clever as well as brave, Shikanosuke manages to deceive his captors and make his escape, returning immediately to his lord's side to try once again to restore the Amago. He secures the aid of Oda Nobunaga, who at this time is campaigning against the Mōri, and with the aid of Hashiba Hideyoshi they once again begin to take castles in Izumo. But Nobunaga is a disinterested ally in best, and while an army of 30,000 attacks the Amago, Nobunaga orders his forces to use this opportunity to attack them elsewhere rather than support the Amago. Besieged with no hope this time of securing escape, Shikanosuke surrenders and agrees to serve the Mōri in exchange for his lord's life, only to find that Katsuhisa has killed himself in the castle. The Mōri take no chances with Shikanosuke, and arrange his murder.
In the end, Shikanosuke deconstructs the "one-man army" idea. A single warrior, however brave, cunning and determined, is not enough to decide the outcome of a war. Shikanosuke hoped that the trials he endured would give him the strength to make the Amago great again, but no matter what trials one undergoes, a single man is just a single man. His loyalty was admirable, certainly, but would he and the Amago have been better off accepting the inevitable?Lifespan: 1529-1581 Tenet: Neutral Ideal: Talent
LEA 90, VAL 84, INT 97, POL 89
Tactic: Trick Master - Greatly weakens enemies in front
Ukita Naoie is kind of the Edmond Dantes of the Sengoku Jidai. His family were retainers of the Uragami, a powerful clan that ruled Bizen and Mimasaka Provinces. When he was just 6 years old, his family's suspicious master and jealous rivals assassinated his grandfather and slandered his father, leading to his disgrace, exile and eventual death after years of wandering in poverty.
Nevertheless, Naoie returned to serve the Uragami with his brilliant intellect, becoming a key figure within the clan. But he had not forgotten, or forgiven. Naoie treated the betrayal of his grandfather and father by the people who they had sworn loyalty and companionship to as an object lesson on what life in the Sengoku Jidai is. His kin's murderers had prospered greatly for what they'd done, and Naoie basically went Count of Monte Cristo on all of them, engineering their deaths one by one; framing them, driving them to suicide, whatever it took to destroy them and take their lands and influence for himself. He even married the daughter of one of them and took his lands after forcing him to commit suicide after framing him for attempted revolt.
The whole time, Naoie denies being driven by vengeance. The lesson he took from the demise of his grandfather and father was that trusting in others is weakness. The only thing that matters in life is strength, and the only true strength is one that relies on no one. Naoie doesn't care about revenge, he claims; like Tsunehisa before him, he claims to be above such petty things. All Naoie wants is to gain the power to never rely on another person again.
When the neighboring Mimura clan of Bicchū Province allies with the Mōri and their leader, the supposedly matchless general Mimura Iechika, begins to make moves to take his newly-stolen territory, Naoie foregoes all notions of fairness or honor and simply has Iechika assassinated by gunshot while on the toilet; this is actually the first recorded instance of an assassination involving firearms in Japan.
With his fame and influence in Bizen-Mimasaka at an all-time high, Naoie makes a secret deal with the neighboring Akamatsu clan of Harima to take power from his lord, Uragami Munekage. But the Akamatsu welch on the deal due to infighting, and Naoie's first rebellion fails. But Naoie had foreseen the possibility, and through bribery, blackmail and propaganda did everything he could to drum up as much support among the Uragami retainers and the people of Bizen as possible; Munekage couldn't execute him without ensuring years of unrest, and forgave his rebellion.
And yet, Naoie despises having to make such a move. He had to rely on his connections to others to survive, betraying his own principles. He berates himself for relying on others to succeed as well; to make up for his mistake, he resolves to destroy the Akamatsu as well.
After breaking the power of the Akamatsu (but not destroying them completely), Naoie turns on his master a second time. This time, there are no allies to fail him at the critical moment; Naoie's revolution is entirely internal, and entirely successful. Uragami Munekage flees his former domain forever, and Naoie takes power quickly and ruthlessly, even managing to add Bicchū Province to his holdings despite attempts by the Mōri to keep him out.
When Oda Nobunaga launches his campaign against the Mōri, Naoie sees which way the wind is blowing, and immediately allies with them. The Ukita become one of Toyotomi Hideyoshi's most important supporters; at the Battle of Sekigahara, his son Ukita Hideie would be one of the key commanders of the Western Army.
"Loyalty is not to be clung to. Masters are not to be relied upon. Retainers are not to be depended upon." This is the credo Ukita Naoie lives his life by, to great success. In many ways, he was a reprehensible man, abandoning all morality in the pursuit of greater power. But Naoie understood firsthand, from a very early age, the brutality of the age he lived in, and he chose to embrace it to survive and grow strong.
The Mōri will get their own thing later.
I kinda want to join the amago now, just to avoid Haruhisa's fate.
A pattern that almost always happens in stories of the Sengoku Jidai. Clan A attacks Clan D an is currently winning overwhelmingly. Clans B and C, A's rivals, promptly seize the chance and attack Clan A's territory. Clan A has to retreat, and Clan D breathes a sigh of relief.before being forced to turn back when the Ōuchi and Mōri threaten the Amago lands.
So he's does what a spymaster does because he likes doing spymaster-y things and just because he can? (And will benefit him)he does it because it is his Way There's no hard feelings for the people he crushes, they're just steps on his road to perfection of his Way.
Translation: Beware of his character. Smart enough to not get known as a Lu Bu wannabe, and picks his moments for maximum cover to prevent the guy he is defecting to from executing him for being too suspicious.
Motonari is gonna be feeling kinda annoyed at that, won't he? After all, if he beat the Ouchi while Yoshitaka was still in charge, he would have been in a better economic position.(which leads to serious economic problems that Motonari and his sons are going to take al ong time sorting out)
That's your instincts yelling at you. Ignore at own peril.feel like he's walking into a trap he has no hope of escaping, but will dismiss it each time.
Kinda smart of Nobunaga. Cold, but smart, as expected.But Nobunaga is a disinterested ally in best, and while an army of 30,000 attacks the Amago, Nobunaga orders his forces to use this opportunity to attack them elsewhere rather than support the Amago.
It's kinda because he didn't have the support. Put a guy like that in the Takeda or Uesugi or any of the more historically successful clans, and he would have possibly turned tides.In the end, Shikanosuke deconstructs the "one-man army" idea. A single warrior, however brave, cunning and determined, is not enough to decide the outcome of a war. Shikanosuke hoped that the trials he endured would give him the strength to make the Amago great again, but no matter what trials one undergoes, a single man is just a single man. His loyalty was admirable, certainly, but would he and the Amago have been better off accepting the inevitable?
So he does not want to be without power or control. Got it.The only thing that matters in life is strength, and the only true strength is one that relies on no one.
Well, that and he was not a maverick who rebelled just because he saw something fancy. And he knew when to just fold his cards and not try anything funny."Loyalty is not to be clung to. Masters are not to be relied upon. Retainers are not to be depended upon." This is the credo Ukita Naoie lives his life by, to great success. In many ways, he was a reprehensible man, abandoning all morality in the pursuit of greater power. But Naoie understood firsthand, from a very early age, the brutality of the age he lived in, and he chose to embrace it to survive and grow strong.
Not an enviable position, to be honest. Like, okay, how are we supposed to reverse the tide while remaining in Chugoku? Simple, we don't. Problem? Otomo and Shimazu are busy with each other, so don't bother trying to secure substancial aid from Kyushu. Shikoku? There is no prominent clan there by 1560, though the Chosokabe would eventually dominate, that's way later. Kansai? Now that's possible place to look for allies. But then the Oda will come stomping in after a bit and all the clans there will be too busy to help with any war. (Though I know nothing about the region before Nobunaga got his game on and actually managed to take Kyoto, but eh)Though you might give him some hope for his clan's future, at least.
So he's does what a spymaster does because he likes doing spymaster-y things and just because he can? (And will benefit him)
Motonari is gonna be feeling kinda annoyed at that, won't he? After all, if he beat the Ouchi while Yoshitaka was still in charge, he would have been in a better economic position.
It's kinda because he didn't have the support. Put a guy like that in the Takeda or Uesugi or any of the more historically successful clans, and he would have possibly turned tides.
Not an enviable position, to be honest. Like, okay, how are we supposed to reverse the tide while remaining in Chugoku? Simple, we don't. Problem? Otomo and Shimazu are busy with each other, so don't bother trying to secure substancial aid from Kyushu. Shikoku? There is no prominent clan there by 1560, though the Chosokabe would eventually dominate, that's way later. Kansai? Now that's possible place to look for allies. But then the Oda will come stomping in after a bit and all the clans there will be too busy to help with any war. (Though I know nothing about the region before Nobunaga got his game on and actually managed to take Kyoto, but eh)
You know, the portrait makes him out to be very menacing and all that, while I am just stuck thinking 'Damn's he probably just got a very nice tea set if he's smirking like that.'Among major clans, the best bet would probably be the Miyoshi, but they're kind of busy crushing the Hosokawa, taking control of the capital, and then imploding after Matsunaga Hisahide does what he does best. And man is he gonna be fun when I get to him.
So, if he sees an interesting intrigue action, odds are he might let it happen and see the follow-up instead of quashing it completely?He does it for the same reason that, say, Miyamoto Musashi spent much of his adult life wandering aimlessly around Japan fighting 50+ duels to the death with anyone who was up for it who seemed like he knew his way around a sword.
He does it for the same reason that, say, Miyamoto Musashi spent much of his adult life wandering aimlessly around Japan fighting 50+ duels to the death with anyone who was up for it who seemed like he knew his way around a sword.
But on the other hand, it made them easier to take over once Harukata was dead, and he could score points with the people by making Yamaguchi prosper again (albeit not as much, since Motonari just wasn't a patron of arts and trade on the level of Yoshitaka).
Nobunaga kind of encapsulates both the benefits and drawbacks of a true meritocracy. On the one hand, he doesn't care who your dad is or whatever; if you can make yourself useful to him, he'll employ you to the best of your abilities and reward you accordingly. On the other hand, as Sakuma Nobumori discovered, he doesn't care how long and how loyally you've served him; if you don't continue making yourself useful to him, he will toss you aside without regrets.
Then again, by our standards at least Nobumori largely brought his fate upon himself.
That's kinda the point. One man, however skilled, can't turn the tide of a seemingly hopeless war all by himself.
Among major clans, the best bet would probably be the Miyoshi, but they're kind of busy crushing the Hosokawa, taking control of the capital, and then imploding after Matsunaga Hisahide does what he does best. And man is he gonna be fun when I get to him.
You know, the portrait makes him out to be very menacing and all that, while I am just stuck thinking 'Damn's he probably just got a very nice tea set if he's smirking like that.'
But yeah, on one hand, interesting exploring other parts of Japan in Sengoku Jidai. On the other hand, part of me still wants to keep the MC embroiled in intrigues around Kansai-Chubu. There's precious few stories actually featuring Nobunaga that I'd jump on a start that leads to exploring Nobunaga's character.
So, if he sees an interesting intrigue action, odds are he might let it happen and see the follow-up instead of quashing it completely?
lel. So he actually cost Nobunaga a lot there. I can kind of see why he cut the guy loose.Nobumori was given command over a larger army than any of his comrades, but unlike all of them, he made absolutely no progress the entire time, and in 1580 (4 yea Nobunaga had the emperor mediate a truce with the monks, essentially giving up his 10-year war against them.
It would be a very interesting, if particularly bloody, assignment. Besieging and defeating religious zealots will be one which will take a heavy toll on the army and morale, which explains why he got so many more men. Well, unless you starve them out or use unconventional tactics.EDIT: In fact, if choosing to be a vassal of the Oda, the PC might get the assignment to besiege and subdue the Honganji in place of Nobumori.
It would be a very interesting, if particularly bloody, assignment. Besieging and defeating religious zealots will be one which will take a heavy toll on the army and morale, which explains why he got so many more men. Well, unless you starve them out or use unconventional tactics.
I presume that Nobunaga won't cut someone loose just because of a small mistake if they did everything well previously? It takes big fuck-ups and no making up for it for him to turn on someone?
Well, Mt. Hiei is kinda hard to match. Like, burning the entire fucking mountain. Not easy to top that. Maybe half-Mt. Hiei?It'd definitely be a hard thing to do successfully while keeping any kind of good reputation intact. Hopefully you won't just copy Nobunaga and go full Mt. Hiei.
Well, Mt. Hiei is kinda hard to match. Like, burning the entire fucking mountain. Not easy to top that. Maybe half-Mt. Hiei?
Mukai was in his mid-30s during Itachi's tenure as an ANBU captain, and was killed (with some difficulty) by Itachi and Shisui working together, as Danzo suspected him of being a double-agent for Kirigakure.
Wait. Itachi and Shisui were basically S-class ninjas, right? Like, Itachi defected from Konoha and basically walked onto the Akatsuki roster. And Shisui was similarly strong? How ridiculous was Mukai?
I'd have to look up the show but could you just say how you'd be expecting this to play as a story?
I can't see too many alternatives without knowing more, but yeah. Any actual plans will have to need IC info.
Huh. So Shingen tried to go South into Hojo lands, and West into Nobunaga's affiliated clans while Uesugi is busy? It is more of a calculated move than I thought.In 1570 Takeda Shingen waged war on the Oda and their allies, the Tokugawa, and had been in a long-standing conflict with the Uesugi. Kennyo was his relative by marriage, and so he asked Kennyo to leverage the Ikkō-ikki to support his efforts. Kennyo did so, convincing the Ikkō-ikki in Kaga to attack the Uesugi, relieving Shingen of pressure to the north so that he could attack the south and west. That very same year Nobunaga began the longest siege in Japanese history on Ishiyama Hongan-ji.
So, the siege is from roughly 1570 to 1580 historically. Let's take a look at the most salient developments. That would influence the time for an assault and what to achieve to win the siege.In 1574 Nobunaga enlisted the aid of Kuki Yoshitaka of Shima Province. The Kuki were minor daimyō who had a reputation for piracy, and were also the headmasters of their own school of martial arts, called Kukishin-ryū ("Nine Gods Spirit School"), of which Yoshitaka was the 9th master. When Nobunaga invaded Ise Province, Yoshitaka supported him, and used his naval experience to prove invaluable in training the until-now fairly weak Oda navy, where they first proved invaluable in destroying Nagashima-ji. In 1578 the Kuki-led navy (now equipped with new iron-clad ships envisioned by Nobunaga) finally defeated the Mōri navy and broke their control over the Inland Sea, also cutting off Ishiyama Hongan-ji's supply lines. Despite this, Sakuma Nobumori was still completely unable to crush the Hongan-ji once and for all, and in 1580 Nobunaga, who was fighting on basically all fronts, had to make a peace brokered by the emperor; this must have really stung, since Hongan-ji was basically on the ropes by this point.
Keyword: Believed. No fort is truly invincible, but the problem is more of a morale issue. Depending on how the men are perceiving the General/MC, you would have to persuade them to actually be willing to charge into the jaws of death that they might think is unbreakable. Maybe siege weapons will help improve morale by knocking down parts of the fort, but there must have been a reason why they didn't shell the Fortress outright in the 10 years.Ishiyama Hongan-ji had been built up over the years into a fortress, believed to be nigh-impenetrable
The 2nd Salient Point is that they had a stream of supplies. I assume the port is built-into the Fort itself? Unfortunately, barring some good deals, it would be very hard to secure actual naval artillery/cannons to use as a coastal battery for punishing any ship trying to sail through the area.this allowed Kennyo to continually receive supplies even while besieged.
Actually fairly meaningless,when one considers the situation of the siege. Everyone elsewhere will be dealing with the other enemies, so we don't have to worry about them in context of the siege.He also established alliances with many of Nobunaga's other enemies, particularly the Asakura, the Azai, the Miyoshi, the warrior-monks of Mt. Hiei, even the Uesugi that he had incited his followers into attacking.
At Ishiyama Hongan-ji alone Kennyo had an army of 15,000 religious fanatics under his direct command. And he also had reinforcements from Kii Province.
3rd Salient Point. Roughly 21,000 troops at least, with likely more non-fanatics/militia. Its the 6k arquebusiers that are going to be problematic. Fanatics might fight hard and not break easily, but numbers will eventually overcome them. The problem is that the guns are very good at repelling any direct attacks. Knowing the defender is not a fool, I would expect the arquebusiers to be more spread out but not completely spread out. Assuming Hongan-ji has 3 separate but equally viable directions for an attack to come (the 4th being the sea), I would assume each side would have 2k Arquebusiers, ready to fire or move to concentrate firepower the moment an attack comes. An alternate arrangement would be 4k guns on the central area, ready to move to reinforce either flank.The Saika-ikki and Negoro-ikki both supported Hongan-ji during its siege, each providing about 3,000 elite arquebusiers.
Which is why someone has to do the job for him. Nobunaga has more things to do than stare at an enemy castle all year long.With all these defenses, Nobunaga was unable to directly take Ishiyama Hongan-ji.
Not a really important development, but this means enemy morale will start dropping in 1576. If a surrender can be secured...Echizen Province and the offensive against Kaga were given over to Shibta Katsuie in 1576, and by 1582 the last of the Ikkō-ikki were wiped out by Katsuie, despite assistance from the Uesugi.
Which means their gunpowder stores are now limited.In 1578 the Kuki-led navy (now equipped with new iron-clad ships envisioned by Nobunaga) finally defeated the Mōri navy and broke their control over the Inland Sea, also cutting off Ishiyama Hongan-ji's supply lines.
2 years. He had 2 years and could not persuade a surrender or win an assault. Yeah, I can kinda get why Nobunaga's pissed.in 1580 Nobunaga, who was fighting on basically all fronts, had to make a peace brokered by the emperor
Huh. So Shingen tried to go South into Hojo lands, and West into Nobunaga's affiliated clans while Uesugi is busy? It is more of a calculated move than I thought.
Maybe siege weapons will help improve morale by knocking down parts of the fort, but there must have been a reason why they didn't shell the Fortress outright in the 10 years.
Actually fairly meaningless,when one considers the situation of the siege. Everyone elsewhere will be dealing with the other enemies, so we don't have to worry about them in context of the siege.