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Knocking on Heaven's Door [MtG/Multicross/SI]

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StellarMonarch said:
I didn't understand a thing. What did Nadia do and why did Shade want to kill the survivors of "Zendikar"?
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Because Nadia unintentionally let the Phyrexians spread. By saving the survivors of Zendikar, the latest victim of a Phyrexian invasion, one of the survivors may have smuggled a Phyrexian artifact onto the New Nautilus with them for whatever reason, either for study or profit, or were corrupted, and when they reach a new Plane it will give the Phyrexians a new target.
 
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StellarMonarch said:
I didn't understand a thing. What did Nadia do and why did Shade want to kill the survivors of "Zendikar"?
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a single drop of Phyrexian oil was enough to corrupt the entirety of myrridan when it fell off of Karn as he passed through. An entire plane essentially lost, if not for the deus ex machina that was that one girl who could for some reason reverse the corruption if it hasn't reached their heart. I can only assume that any being that was touched (messed with by) the Eldrazi can be used as a conduit by them to find another plane. So while they are on Zendikar they cannot find their way to other planes.
 
StellarMonarch said:
I didn't understand a thing. What did Nadia do and why did Shade want to kill the survivors of "Zendikar"?
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Basically, Zendikar is in the process of being overwhelmed by a magical Borg-plague, the Phyrexians.

Nadia took pity on the people living there, and tried to save some using this 'New Nautilus' ship. Shade is hyper-angry because these refugees most likely carry the means to spread the infections beyond Zendikar, which is being nicely quarantined by Nissa - our favorite Elf Nazi - and a group of other Walkers.

Should the Phyrexians spread, whatever plane they land on is pretty much doomed, which is the reason for Shade going off the rails. In her attempt to save a few thousands, Nadia might have doomed trillions to a fate worse than death.
 
Short version Eldrazi are like the great old ones from the Cuthlu Mythos but worse, Pyrexia is essentially a Nurgle plague combined with Slivers capable of traveling the multivariate, I don't remember who Nadia is, and Nicol Bolas currently holds the title of oldest living thing in the multiverse with all the power he could aquire since his childhood, is so big that he can't fit inside a single plane, has enough schemes active to make Tzeech look like a kid playing in a sandbox. He's kinda of a big deal.

Edit - Borg like as a very apt description of Phyrexia
 
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So nadia was basically reverse emiya kiritsugu then. By saving the thousand she has utterly doomed millions due to phyrexians corruption, in this situation i would say it is justifiable to be mad, just a little bit.
 
vicent said:
So nadia was basically reverse emiya kiritsugu then. By saving the thousand she has utterly doomed millions due to phyrexians corruption, in this situation i would say it is justifiable to be mad, just a little bit.
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Honestly, the worst part is how she even refuses to acknowledge her mistake and escapes from it by erasing her memories.

It's a special brand hypocrisy if you have to irrevocably destroy your memories just so you can have the final word in an argument where you don't want to see the truth.
 
Algalon said:
Honestly, the worst part is how she even refuses to acknowledge her mistake and escapes from it by erasing her memories.

It's a special brand hypocrisy if you have to irrevocably destroy your memories just so you can have the final word in an argument where you don't want to see the truth.
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Yeah. Sticking up for your beliefs is admirable, but erasing your memory to have the last word in an argument you're going to lose because those very same beliefs got you there in the first place....that's despicable.

Fairly sure what little respect Shade had for her vanished.
 
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I think you guys are interpreting the memory erasure incorrectly. Nadia has broken Shade's laws. Therefore Shade is obligated to kill her by his own rules. Shade doesn't want to kill her, because he is actually fond of her and so her death would hurt him. So her erasing her memories is a way to give Shade an out, to let him feel he's upheld his rules without having to kill his friend. There's still plenty of hypocrisy in there, but it's not just about getting the last word in.
 
Nervos Belli said:
I think you guys are interpreting the memory erasure incorrectly. Nadia has broken Shade's laws. Therefore Shade is obligated to kill her by his own rules. Shade doesn't want to kill her, because he is actually fond of her and so her death would hurt him. So her erasing her memories is a way to give Shade an out, to let him feel he's upheld his rules without having to kill his friend. There's still plenty of hypocrisy in there, but it's not just about getting the last word in.
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Sure, that may be another reason for her erasing her own memory, but just the same she did not admit to her mistake and did not try to fix it, instead she took the easy way out and erased her memory and let Shade, who is now asking Bolas help, clean up her mess.
 
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Shade is also pretty hypocritical since he was about to kill people on Mustafar for being in the way, then decides to kill Planeswalkers for putting other Ants in jeapordy due to danger from phyrexians.


And Nicol Bolas unleashed the Eldrazi in the first place and yet he's kneeling before him?? That's a broken law right there
 
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Well to be fair most planeswalkers are kinda like fat, hungry kids at a candy store without supervision, they don't think of the consequences. they just eat and mess stuff up, then when an adult comes along and tells them no they can't have candy ,they get mad about it and ultimately think the adult is wrong. In that kids mind it's not like anything bad can happen to them because they're special and who really cares that another kid won't be getting any candy, adults are just mean jerks who take out all the fun in life.
 
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Nervos Belli said:
I think you guys are interpreting the memory erasure incorrectly. Nadia has broken Shade's laws. Therefore Shade is obligated to kill her by his own rules. Shade doesn't want to kill her, because he is actually fond of her and so her death would hurt him. So her erasing her memories is a way to give Shade an out, to let him feel he's upheld his rules without having to kill his friend. There's still plenty of hypocrisy in there, but it's not just about getting the last word in.
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I feel like I maybe missed something here, because when I read that part of the chapter I thought that Shade had resolved himself to not be a hypocrite, and then proceeded to disable Nadia, lock her inside her plane and then send his minions to devour it. The law not only demands to be obeyed, but also enforced.

And I chime in solely so that I can drop this:
 
Syro said:
I feel like I maybe missed something here, because when I read that part of the chapter I thought that Shade had resolved himself to not be a hypocrite, and then proceeded to disable Nadia, lock her inside her plane and then send his minions to devour it. The law not only demands to be obeyed, but also enforced.

And I chime in solely so that I can drop this:
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Shade didn't devour her plane, he locked it. Nobody will enter or leave that plane ever again unless Shade allows it. Or if they're strong enough to break Shade's lock.
 
Nothoughts said:
Ah Nicol Bolas how nice to finally make your acquaintance, of course I'm referring to Shade's Nicol Bolas and not Wizards of the Coasts, because I'm pedantic and I like to try and break immersion(just kidding).
Have you found the mystical armaments known as Plot Armor, you really should, I hear Mr. Cain can't recommend it highly enough, but I think it's foolhardy to assume you've thought of that eh, Mister Bolas?
Interesting plot development, Nicol is Shade's teacher, or at least, the story says he is, and Shade would never lie to or mislead the reader in his stories, now would he?
All in all nice chapter, and have a nice day everyone.
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he probably has a plethora of teachers. Bolas is probably either the most prominent, the one that requires he addresses him as such, or he taught him the most, either of black or red mana, or overall.
 
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