Knocking on Heaven's Door [MtG/Multicross/SI]
- Thread starter shadenight123
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Alphaleph
The Firstiest of First
Eh, it doesn't make any sense. By nature, Planeswalkers kept each other in check, especially those that Sparked at near time frame. They're also a bad case of "see what happen if you give us time."
Of course, it could very well be a case of that those that actually matters in going up against Shade are playing the long game, don't really mind the extra pointers, agree or just don't care all that much.
Although if that's the case, then hope that Shade doesn't slip the slippery Slivery slope, because then those guys would go to war as well.
Of course, it could very well be a case of that those that actually matters in going up against Shade are playing the long game, don't really mind the extra pointers, agree or just don't care all that much.
Although if that's the case, then hope that Shade doesn't slip the slippery Slivery slope, because then those guys would go to war as well.
- Location
- Usa
Shade is a very visible menace. One that is actually very easy to understand too. He is slivers, a near organic plague that is leased by any sort of morals he has.
Eldrazi and Pherexia are rather abstract. Not to mention that they are not nearly as active as Shade is.
shadowace2400
Planeswalker Extraordinaire
- Location
- Texas
The biggest issue being he hasn't actually DONE anything
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- Home
Recently.
They're probably still sore from that spanking Old Man
My bad, total brain fart there.
So Shade is the biggest and baddest of the 'walkers, then? How does he stack with Bolas? IIRC he was so powerful that his presence in the blind eternities pushed planes aside.
- Location
- Oulu
But, I like eggs! Or is it only bad when it's cannibalism? In any case, I think eating born children to be significantly worse, for some reason I have yet to analyze.
Maybe not. I sort of have this vibe that there are, in fact, quite a few of those around. Time abyss + spawning immortals (who actually don't get to kill other immortals, although I think suicide is still a thing) will eventually lead to overpopulation.
No, the issue here is, I believe, that Phyrexia and the Eldrazi haven't done anything because they've been kept in check sufficiently. So, the next biggest bad, who also happens to be the lesser evil, is Shade.
Jackercracks
In a British accent
- Location
- England
He kills currently/possibly innocent planeswalkers if he believes them to be likely to become problems.
He does this while forbidding Planeswalkers from killing each other and from interacting with Eldrazi or Phyrexia, meaning that there is essentially nothing else in the right weight class to harm the Planeswalkers. They die from only two things: carelessness, and The Tyrant. He arrives like a whisper, passes his inscrutable judgement and annihilates those who fall short of his standards.
So yes, the Planeswalkers in general and indeed reality itself is better off for his presence, but those specific Planeswalkers who fear they would fail his test have good reason to fight back against him with all they have.
Well considering the very first sentence of your quote:
IMO, kinda implies that those planeswalkers weren't very innocent in the first place. One can still be "honorable and proper", and yet be a complete turbo hitler at the same time.
Jackercracks
In a British accent
- Location
- England
I didn't say he was wrong, I said he had definitely done something, and that something has had effects.
troyamonga
Caffeine Dependent Hero
- Location
- United States
Well this explains why the Mending never happened. With the Man keeping all the other planeswalkers down, shit never got out of control like it did in canon. But now the other walkers don't wanna be a part of the system anymore, so the Jacetice League just got formed.
- Location
- Ireland
Could someone explain what the mending was?
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- Home
Shit happened at the center of the multiverse and when some barbarian chick tried to fix it every planeswalker, including Nicol Bolas, got home runned in the face by the Nerf Bat.
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- Ireland
Thank you. Just how dangerous is Nicol Bolas if he is used as a measurement of sorts?
Walker of the Yellow Path
Ho There!
- Location
- The Land of Memes
Nicol Bolas is one of the oldest and most dangerous planes walkers in existence. Since the Mending hasn't happened in this fic, he's basically a nigh omnipotent compared to other Walkers.
troyamonga
Caffeine Dependent Hero
- Location
- United States
If oldwalker Nicol Bolas had a MtG card, it would have one ability.
"Target player loses the game."
Morphic Tide
Crazy Brainstormer, Munchkin and Wannabe Min-Maxer
- Location
- MI, USA
Are you kidding me? He'd be a Vanguard card with infinite hand size using the entire deck as their hand and having a minimum of 300 life (Karn fits 'Infinite hand size' better, with the perfect memory, but Bolas is just so OP that it's the only way to describe the knowledge acceleration available). He wasn't so powerful that he'd one shot any Oldwalker, which is what 'Target player loses' meant pre-mending, but he was so far past what anyone could deal with reliably that he was all-too-likely beyond the arbitrary number phase when ready for a fight. Think 'Deal 30 damage,' rather than 'Target player loses.'
As an aside, Shade!walker's Vanguard form would probably have access to something like 'Search your library for a Sliver and put it into play' as an ability.
In truth he was a 7/7 flying creature that if it had caused some damage to the other player, the player would have to discard his entire hand.
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- Home
Think of it like this:
Oldwalker Shade is pretty much the boss of Slivers, a living plague that requires the destruction of multiple planes to ensure the local infestation is probably taken care of, and has had thousands of years to gather experience, spells, and mana and terrorize all the other God killing planeswalkers.
Shade would still probably call bullshit on Bolas.
To be fair, he has been killed several times and Ugin has fairly decisively out matched him as of Tarkir.
- Location
- Ireland
I see. So Nicol Bolas is the Chuck Norris equivalent for planeswalkers then. Right then. Thinking about this actually hurts(Stabs the FEELS) more than some of the FS/N Routes Shade did. Weird.
Morphic Tide
Crazy Brainstormer, Munchkin and Wannabe Min-Maxer
- Location
- MI, USA
Actually, that card represents Bolas pre-Ignition. Driving people insane with a touch was something he could pull before becoming an Oldwalker. He could cause serious memory loss/sanity damage to oldwalkers, while he wasn't an Oldwaker himself.
Again, still worth mentioning that he got ganged 2 or 3 times in his own personal plane. I mean he DID get better, but yeah, not exactly omnipotent.
Alphaleph
The Firstiest of First
His issue Post-Mending has always been that he's leaking off power and he's trying to conserve as much of it as possible.
It doesn't help that just before that, he got into a scuffle with himself and Ugin's shtick with his colorless flame doesn't help either.
But like Urza, Bolas' major shtick is not being A Cheating Cheater Who Cheats Like No One Ever Cheats, it's that the bastard Scheme like no one's business.