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Fanhunter696 said:
Why, do you want to reenact this scene?


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I mean, we have taken measures to prevent dumb mistakes... But their reaction won´t be that much different...
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Well there is first of all the obvious cool factor of having the heroes come in and check out the improved Park and get their reaction. Don't know if Tim and Lex are going to come along for the ride but if their parents still get a divorce then I guess a weekend with Cool Uncle Elliot would be a convenient place to dump them while things are hashed out.

As for how things will go in the meeting, I think it will be more of a calm is slightly spirited debate than the argument and dire warnings of OTL. Alan and Ellie would probably be a lot more receptive to us from the spot because they are dealing with a Zoologist and veterenarian who respects the dinosaurs as living creatures who need to live as close to their original environment as possible than John's way of treating them as theme park attractions, book and film. Any questions and concerns they have like pack behavior or diet can be easily addressed here with Elliot having looked into such stuff from day one and he's not going to dismiss stuff like the raptor's intelligence, which for Alan at least was the biggest red flag. It's not going to be perfect, but it's as close to perfect as they can get and Alan and Ellie's first reaction was that of pure joy and wonder to Jurassic Park. It was tempered by the showmanship and arrogance that followed.

As for Ian, he'll probably still be a sourpuss but he would at least respect Elliot here for knowing he is fallible and never once being lax in the creation and operations of Jurassic Park instead of John resting on his laurels and assuming it was an end all be all. Ian's Chaos instincts were probably going crazy seeing expenses cut in the human element, everything reliant on a single computer program and only the electric fences acting as defense. Here with a large staff, multiple fail safes and programs and proactive management tempers chaos theory greatly.
 
[X][Personal]Offer to take Nicte to dinner to make up for apparently being an idiot about people? You just know she's mad at you and you really don't like it.

[X][Ranger]Have them be subsidiaries to the animal handlers. It'll make them effectively their own sub-department and will have them constantly on the move through the park.

[X][Espionage]Follow up on Biosyn, they've got a long-standing rivalry with InGen apparently.

[X][Hatching]Continue the slow and steady pace of having the scientists work on a singular species of dinosaur at a time. There will be fewer dinosaurs than in canon but they will be more robust, socialized, and better understood.

[X][Wu Next Step]Triceratops. One of the Big Names of the dinosaur world, as recognizable as the T-Rex by any child around the globe. Also probably going to be the second third biggest herbivore you give the okay on reviving. You and Gerry are likely going to need to lean heavily on how Rhino calves are dealt with, as well as making damn sure no one loses any body parts to that beak. You've seen what an alligator snapping turtle can do to a man. A Triceratops eclipses that by several orders of magnitude.

[X][Breeding]Rely on the future rangers/keepers and the system you're setting up to track the dinosaurs to monitor their numbers. Begin drawing up a base plan for entering enclosures to check potential nests, and ways in which you could control their numbers and genetic diversity even with a breeding population.

[X][Revival]Dodo. The poster species for extinction in recent history. There are plenty of samples to be found thankfully, and while unlike the other species it wouldn't be able to be reintroduced into its home range, The World Wildlife Foundation was willing to shell out a lot of funds to bring it back. Sort of a whole "man wiped them out and then man brought them back. We just had to try," thing to bring more focus on ecological husbandry and conservation.
 
Kaiser Chris said:
Well there is first of all the obvious cool factor of having the heroes come in and check out the improved Park and get their reaction. Don't know if Tim and Lex are going to come along for the ride but if their parents still get a divorce then I guess a weekend with Cool Uncle Elliot would be a convenient place to dump them while things are hashed out.
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Well, but since Elliot is significantly more prudent than his father I think it is much more likely that his nephews will spend those days in the safe, tested, and finished resorts of Island Matanceros, instead of going to the unfinished tour with living dinosaurs...

Kaiser Chris said:
As for how things will go in the meeting, I think it will be more of a calm is slightly spirited debate than the argument and dire warnings of OTL. Alan and Ellie would probably be a lot more receptive to us from the spot because they are dealing with a Zoologist and veterenarian who respects the dinosaurs as living creatures who need to live as close to their original environment as possible than John's way of treating them as theme park attractions, book and film. Any questions and concerns they have like pack behavior or diet can be easily addressed here with Elliot having looked into such stuff from day one and he's not going to dismiss stuff like the raptor's intelligence, which for Alan at least was the biggest red flag. It's not going to be perfect, but it's as close to perfect as they can get and Alan and Ellie's first reaction was that of pure joy and wonder to Jurassic Park. It was tempered by the showmanship and arrogance that followed.
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Fair enough, I can even see taking them to Sorna, so that they can see where the "hard work" will take place...

And to be honest, the thing with Raptors in the film and books is less being an intelligent predator and more being their full-blown sadism and psychopathy...

And seeing that in this quest dinosaurs act like actual animals than prehistoric monsters, I am pretty sure that handling raptors would still be very hard (since humans are in the size range that these creatures will consider as prey) but it won´t be that much different from handling a lion pride...
Kaiser Chris said:
As for Ian, he'll probably still be a sourpuss but he would at least respect Elliot here for knowing he is fallible and never once being lax in the creation and operations of Jurassic Park instead of John resting on his laurels and assuming it was an end all be all. Ian's Chaos instincts were probably going crazy seeing expenses cut in the human element, everything reliant on a single computer program and only the electric fences acting as defense. Here with a large staff, multiple fail safes and programs and proactive management tempers chaos theory greatly.
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Yeah, and it may be also balanced out seeing that we have used our technology to save and revive numerous species endangered or extinct due to human action...

But since in this quest, we don´t depend on the Board of Investors, it is impossible that they will send anyone to check their investment... So if they com will be just because we invite them
 
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TempestK said:
I'd love to see your take on the meeting if you feel up to trying. Or anyone else really.
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Would love to do so when it's needed, but I don't think now is the right time since there's not much to show the gang with the park being half a dozen immature dinosaur species. Plus the whole impetus for the tour was the string of deaths by dino in the book and film which here haven't happened yet.
 
[X][Personal]Offer to take Nicte to dinner to make up for apparently being an idiot about people? You just know she's mad at you and you really don't like it.

[X][Ranger]Have them be subsidiaries to the animal handlers. It'll make them effectively their own sub-department and will have them constantly on the move through the park.

[X][Espionage]Follow up on Biosyn, they've got a long-standing rivalry with InGen apparently.

[X][Hatching]Continue the slow and steady pace of having the scientists work on a singular species of dinosaur at a time. There will be fewer dinosaurs than in canon but they will be more robust, socialized, and better understood.

[X][Breeding]Rely on the future rangers/keepers and the system you're setting up to track the dinosaurs to monitor their numbers. Begin drawing up a base plan for entering enclosures to check potential nests, and ways in which you could control their numbers and genetic diversity even with a breeding population.

[X][Revival]Dodo. The poster species for extinction in recent history. There are plenty of samples to be found thankfully, and while unlike the other species it wouldn't be able to be reintroduced into its home range, The World Wildlife Foundation was willing to shell out a lot of funds to bring it back. Sort of a whole "man wiped them out and then man brought them back. We just had to try," thing to bring more focus on ecological husbandry and conservation.
 
This quest returns and I would like to jump on.

[X][Personal]Offer to take Nicte to dinner to make up for apparently being an idiot about people? You just know she's mad at you and you really don't like it.

[X][Ranger]Have them be subsidiaries to the animal handlers. It'll make them effectively their own sub-department and will have them constantly on the move through the park.

[X][Espionage]Follow up on Biosyn, they've got a long-standing rivalry with InGen apparently.

[X][Hatching]Continue the slow and steady pace of having the scientists work on a singular species of dinosaur at a time. There will be fewer dinosaurs than in canon but they will be more robust, socialized, and better understood.

[X][Wu Next Step]Triceratops. One of the Big Names of the dinosaur world, as recognizable as the T-Rex by any child around the globe. Also probably going to be the second third biggest herbivore you give the okay on reviving. You and Gerry are likely going to need to lean heavily on how Rhino calves are dealt with, as well as making damn sure no one loses any body parts to that beak. You've seen what an alligator snapping turtle can do to a man. A Triceratops eclipses that by several orders of magnitude.

[X][Breeding]Rely on the future rangers/keepers and the system you're setting up to track the dinosaurs to monitor their numbers. Begin drawing up a base plan for entering enclosures to check potential nests, and ways in which you could control their numbers and genetic diversity even with a breeding population.

[X][Revival]Dodo. The poster species for extinction in recent history. There are plenty of samples to be found thankfully, and while unlike the other species it wouldn't be able to be reintroduced into its home range, The World Wildlife Foundation was willing to shell out a lot of funds to bring it back. Sort of a whole "man wiped them out and then man brought them back. We just had to try," thing to bring more focus on ecological husbandry and conservation.

Our Jurassic Park so far does not actually have any Jurassic era creatures in it. The common joke that Jurassic Park should really be called Cretaceous Park is arguably even more applicable here than in the book and movie canons. All of the non-avian dinosaurs picked so far except for the Triassic era Plateosaurus are North American Late Cretaceous dinosaurs. The Stegosaurus was the first Jurassic era dinosaur that we could potentially consider cloning but it looks like Triceratops will win this round as the next creature picked. I suppose that since we started with the iconic North American Late Cretaceous dinosaurs, it would make sense to focus on dinosaurs from that era and location that would have been contemporary to each other as it might make habitat construction a little easier if most of the dinosaurs had come from the same prehistoric environment.
 
BoredStudent1414 said:
Our Jurassic Park so far does not actually have any Jurassic era creatures in it. The common joke that Jurassic Park should really be called Cretaceous Park is arguably even more applicable here than in the book and movie canons. All of the non-avian dinosaurs picked so far except for the Triassic era Plateosaurus are North American Late Cretaceous dinosaurs. The Stegosaurus was the first Jurassic era dinosaur that we could potentially consider cloning but it looks like Triceratops will win this round as the next creature picked. I suppose that since we started with the iconic North American Late Cretaceous dinosaurs, it would make sense to focus on dinosaurs from that era and location that would have been contemporary to each other as it might make habitat construction a little easier if most of the dinosaurs had come from the same environment.
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Well we can always call it Mesozoic Park, but it is not as catchy...
 
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I mean technically we inherited the name. We picked the animals but it was the original Hammond that already put the park name down on all the paper work.
 
[X][Personal]Offer to take Nicte to dinner to make up for apparently being an idiot about people? You just know she's mad at you and you really don't like it.

[X][Ranger]Have them be subsidiaries to the animal handlers. It'll make them effectively their own sub-department and will have them constantly on the move through the park.

[X][Espionage]Follow up on Biosyn, they've got a long-standing rivalry with InGen apparently.

[X][Hatching]Continue the slow and steady pace of having the scientists work on a singular species of dinosaur at a time. There will be fewer dinosaurs than in canon but they will be more robust, socialized, and better understood.

[X][Wu Next Step]Triceratops. One of the Big Names of the dinosaur world, as recognizable as the T-Rex by any child around the globe. Also probably going to be the second third biggest herbivore you give the okay on reviving. You and Gerry are likely going to need to lean heavily on how Rhino calves are dealt with, as well as making damn sure no one loses any body parts to that beak. You've seen what an alligator snapping turtle can do to a man. A Triceratops eclipses that by several orders of magnitude.

[X][Breeding]Rely on the future rangers/keepers and the system you're setting up to track the dinosaurs to monitor their numbers. Begin drawing up a base plan for entering enclosures to check potential nests, and ways in which you could control their numbers and genetic diversity even with a breeding population.

[X][Revival]Dodo. The poster species for extinction in recent history. There are plenty of samples to be found thankfully, and while unlike the other species it wouldn't be able to be reintroduced into its home range, The World Wildlife Foundation was willing to shell out a lot of funds to bring it back. Sort of a whole "man wiped them out and then man brought them back. We just had to try," thing to bring more focus on ecological husbandry and conservation.
 
Martin Noctis said:
Can we invite Alan Ellie and Malcom to tour the park before opening?
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Ellie and Alan, yes. Malcolm? No way in heck.

The first two are actual experts and would love seeing their work first hand, as it were.

Malcolm was from the insurance company because he somehow had experience with complex systems.

Instead of like say, a proper zoo architect, or a expert in the field.

Kaiser Chris said:
Well there is first of all the obvious cool factor of having the heroes come in and check out the improved Park and get their reaction. Don't know if Tim and Lex are going to come along for the ride but if their parents still get a divorce then I guess a weekend with Cool Uncle Elliot would be a convenient place to dump them while things are hashed out.
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Eh, it's still gonna happen, and we do need a test audience, per say, so.....
 
Thinking about it, there would be still some important issues that could arise even if we create a Jurassic Park that is safe for humans and tries to treat the prehistoric creatures with respect.

We have decided to create chimeric dinosaurs and other prehistoric creatures with Dr. Wu's faster and cheaper method to get things rolling before later replacing them with Dr. Sorkin's more expensive and slower method later. This does raise several questions.

What happened to the Wu-type creatures once we roll out the Sorkin-type creatures? Because of the genetic differences between the types, they would probably be unable to breed with the other type and be effectively separate species to each other. We would have to come to terms with the fact that Wu-type Tyrannosaurus are really a new artificially created species that is inspired by Tyrannosaurus as opposed to being recreated T-rexes.

What if there are very substantial differences between a Wu-type and Sorkin-type recreation of a certain species? Let's take Spinosaurus aegyptiacus as an example. The sheer number of proposed different models and papers on what Spinosaurus was really like published in recent years has led to the Spinosaurus debate becoming a meme among dinosaur fans. Let us imagine that we order the creation of Spinosaurus using Wu's methods and the resulting creature is like the Jurassic Park III Spinosaurus. Years later, we order the creation of a more accurate Spinosaurus using Sorkin's methods and the resulting creature is like more current Spinosaurus reconstructions. Would the Wu-type creatures become unloved and cast aside by park and public in favor of its more accurate brethren? Perhaps certain parts of the public would react negatively to the Sorkin-type creatures and would reject them?

There would be fierce arguments among paleontologists on how useful the living Jurassic Park dinosaurs would be as a model for studying their real prehistoric counterparts. Grant in JPIII argued that the Jurassic Park dinosaurs were genetically engineered theme park monsters. We tried to move away from that in this quest, but critics could argue this Jurassic Park's dinosaurs are really just best guest estimates brought to life that could potentially be very misleading to science and the public's understanding of dinosaurs. Even studies of a 100% genetically accurate dinosaur could be misleading in some ways because it would be far removed from its original habitat and context by millions of years. In real life, it took a while for people to realize that the behavior of wolves in captive packs consisting of unrelated individuals did not accurately reflect the behavior of wolves in wild packs that are usually made up of members of a family. With the non-avian dinosaurs, there are no wild populations we can check studies of the captive creatures against.
 
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Night_stalker said:
Malcolm was from the insurance company because he somehow had experience with complex systems.

Instead of like say, a proper zoo architect, or a expert in the field.
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We can hire Malcolm if we ask for the most annoying, pessimistic, full of himself, and famous complex system expert alive to stress test everybody's nerves.
 
FictionPack said:
We can hire Malcolm if we ask for the most annoying, pessimistic, full of himself, and famous complex system expert alive to stress test everybody's nerves.
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Alternatively so we can somehow "accidentally" feed him to some of our carnivores.

BoredStudent1414 said:
What happened to the Wu-type creatures once we roll out the Sorkin-type creatures? Because of the genetic differences between the types, they would probably be unable to breed with the other type and be effectively separate species to each other. We would have to come to terms with the fact that Wu-type Tyrannosaurus are really a new artificially created species that is inspired by Tyrannosaurus as opposed to being recreated T-rexes.
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Depends on how long they live. Quick and cheap might not last as long, so just let attrition claim them.
 
Night_stalker said:
Ellie and Alan, yes. Malcolm? No way in heck.

The first two are actual experts and would love seeing their work first hand, as it were.

Malcolm was from the insurance company because he somehow had experience with complex systems.

Instead of like say, a proper zoo architect, or a expert in the field.
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Well, to be fair even if no major incident happens whatsoever on the Island we will still need to hire an insurance company (since it is mandatory for zoos, theme parks, etc to have a civil liability insurance in case any accident happens)... So the company may end up sending Dr. Malcoms with other representatives to check if we are eligible for that...
 
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Fanhunter696 said:
Well, to be fair even if no major incident happens whatsoever on the Island we will need to hire an insurance company (since it is mandatory to have civil liability insurance)... So they may end up sending Dr. Malcoms with other representatives to check if we are eligible for that...
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Listen, I don't mind proper experts. Don't just grab someone most of the mathematics departments wanted dead as your expert.
 
Night_stalker said:
Ellie and Alan, yes. Malcolm? No way in heck.

The first two are actual experts and would love seeing their work first hand, as it were.

Malcolm was from the insurance company because he somehow had experience with complex systems.

Instead of like say, a proper zoo architect, or a expert in the field.
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Malcolm's whole thing is that he was an expert in complex systems and mathematics. As such, he's constantly looking for the breaking points in systems. Which is actually a rather good idea to have when assessing a park that's the first of its kind.
BoredStudent1414 said:
What happened to the Wu-type creatures once we roll out the Sorkin-type creatures? Because of the genetic differences between the types, they would probably be unable to breed with the other type and be effectively separate species to each other. We would have to come to terms with the fact that Wu-type Tyrannosaurus are really a new artificially created species that is inspired by Tyrannosaurus as opposed to being recreated T-rexes.
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The current plan is that they will either be transported back to Sorna to live out the remainder of their lives in a reserve-style setting; or possibly after stress-testing Jurassic Park having the ability to open up a secondary park for them to be housed within.
Night_stalker said:
Depends on how long they live. Quick and cheap might not last as long, so just let attrition claim them.
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Given how long Rexy has lasted; no that's not the case.
Fanhunter696 said:
Well, to be fair even if no major incident happens whatsoever on the Island we will need to hire an insurance company (since it is mandatory to have civil liability insurance)... So they may end up sending Dr. Malcolm with other representatives to check if we are eligible for that...
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Precisely. Insurance companies are going to be wanting to know what the worst case scenarios are that they may end up having to cover. So Ian Malcolm is the perfect person to send. The fact that his attitude is a bit grating actually also kind of helps him assess the people running the place and how they'd react under pressure.
 
BoredStudent1414 said:
What happened to the Wu-type creatures once we roll out the Sorkin-type creatures? Because of the genetic differences between the types, they would probably be unable to breed with the other type and be effectively separate species to each other. We would have to come to terms with the fact that Wu-type Tyrannosaurus are really a new artificially created species that is inspired by Tyrannosaurus as opposed to being recreated T-rexes.
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Uttering the words "probably unable to breed" in a Jurassic Park quest is really tempting fate, you know...
 
Also, something to keep in mind about the dinosaurs here and the processes that are being used to revive them. In canon John Hammond was focused solely on getting dinosaurs. Here? Wu and Sorkin are basically working in tandem and bootstrapping each other up; on top of having the other de-extinction species to use as test beds for their improvements. Which is why Rexy was noted as having a coat of down when she hatched.
 
TempestK said:
Also, something to keep in mind about the dinosaurs here and the processes that are being used to revive them. In canon John Hammond was focused solely on getting dinosaurs. Here? Wu and Sorkin are basically working in tandem and bootstrapping each other up; on top of having the other de-extinction species to use as test beds for their improvements. Which is why Rexy was noted as having a coat of down when she hatched.
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So the Rexy of this verse is still a Chimera, but much closer to the Real life T-Rex than in the original Jurassic Park, no?

Besides that @TempestK I suppose that Rexy lost its coat as it grew up and now she is all scaly, no?
 
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