- Location
- .
Or giving yourself 10,000 trophy points for banning LordSquishy, mm?
One could say that was a earned achievement.
-
Going forward, links to content from Twitter (now X) will no longer be embedded. Pre-existing links should not be affected.
In Which Jacobplm Points Out That Squishy Stickying his own quest thread is a abuse of power
- Thread starter The Bird
- Start date
-
- Tags
- bad decisions this is sv
- Status
One could say that was a earned achievement.
Wakka
Shadow Cabal Man in Black
- Location
- California
Yes, exasperation with mind numbing stupidity is amazingly emotionally charged. I am so emotionally charged I couldn't even drag up the motivation to dig up that family guy video about who the hell cares. It's amazing how invested I am, I've managed three sentences in this post.
I don't think this distinction is helpful though. In the end, Squishy's thing is clearly an experimental idea based on trying to buck the standard trend of Quests. Yes, it's his own creative work but
Moreover, the big thing is "could Squishy have gotten the equivalent effect via methods completely unrelated to his administrator position" and the answer is "yes, very easily." Get five or six guys to regularly post in the thread and discuss it, and it can spend most of its time on Page 1. If you're saying "having friends making on-topic discussion in your thread" is bad form this is kind of an issue.
There really isn't any argument being made because the case being made is kind of laughable. "Taking actions to put your post on the first page and grab attention isn't valid!" Arguably, what Squishy is doing is less problematic than "have five buddies talk in your quest thread" because stickied threads don't count for the page limit, so it's not hurting anyone as badly as competing in the normal way would.
Finding four or five internet friends to keep your thread alive is an option open to all users, whereas stickying is only available to the Staff, which is kind of the crux of the issue.The closest is @Iron Wolf mentioning that stickying it gives him an edge over base users-although I'd argue it's not much of an edge at all, because if you literally have four or five internet friends you can keep bumping your own thread with on-topic discussion.
I'm sure people run experimental quests all the time. But they do not get stickied for pushing the envelope. Ultimately the only reason's Squishy's particular experimental quest gets that privilege is because he is also an admin who doesn't want to see another Deathwatch on Tarsus happen with his groundbreaking new work. Again, not against the rules but pretty obviously unfair or perhaps, asymmetrical.
*crosses off my word of the day*
Ultimately this thread is addressing the question "how do we as an admin team respond to feedback on decisions made by our members that are unpopular but do not break the rules?" And frankly the response has been pretty lacklustre, gotta say.
The Bird
tEM IS GUD...RITER!
- Location
- In that den of villains and scum, OKLAHOMA
Or giving yourself 10,000 trophy points for banning LordSquishy, mm?
Once again, how does one even EARN trophy points?
- Location
- HELL
- Pronouns
- They/It
Simply put, helpful threads for-
oh that's real mature in those tags. Class fuckin' act.
But anyway, helpful threads. It's been stated before. Threads with help on how to write, how to run quests, what structures run best, how much you should experiment, etc.
Threads can get popular just by chance, sure, but you can increase that chance with some help. Where's the line on when a GM should punish his or her players, rather than just going along and seeing where the players take his or her story? How much agency should be provided? What's the line between crunch and fluff and where should you lie on it? Etc.
Advice threads are great. Advice threads are awesome. Advice threads are worth stickying.
Same with Rec threads. Just because a thread's popular doesn't mean it's good. See which ones are more well-liked and see why some people dislike a quest thread. Those are great.
Stickying a certain thread, while it seems kind of meaningless, is giving an advantage to it. It's permanently at the top of the forum, in a special section with other stickied threads.
For a quest competing against other quests, that's pretty damn unfair.
Whoa don't cut yourself on all that edge.
Bleh, done in this thread. I doubt this will change anything. I mean, guy owns the place. He can do whatever he wants, I guess.
EDIT: woops lol i fucked up some information there.
Last edited:
- Location
- .
So, the fact that it feels dirty and cheap has no baring?
helnae
Mlem~
- Pronouns
- She/Her
Well, you certainly aren't emotionally invested enough to put very much effort into your sarcasm, I'll give you that much.
- Location
- Australia
I don't really think so? I mean, that depends on what you consider good and bad form. I don't really think that stickying a thread is particularly good form, but nor do I believe it is particularly bad form. It's just a thing. Definitely not a thing worth over a hundred posts in seventy minutes.
So far, I haven't actually seen anyone offer up an actual argument. They've just claimed that Squishy shouldn't have stickied his own post because it doesn't meet their standards for what constitutes a useful thread, which isn't an argument I'm at all sympathetic to. Nobody has yet given me a reason as to why I should attempt to limit what threads are stickied, beyond:
Which is something I will bring up to the other staff members, although doing so is unnecessary as pretty much all of them will see this anyway. Then, we will discuss this and actually come up with some form of policy on this.
If Squishy took an action that I believed had a significant impact on the forum's function such as banning a huge swathe of the forum's posters for arbitrary reasons, I would take it to Ford and Xon. If both of them agreed with the action, I would take some time to think their actions through and consider whether they had any legitimacy. If I still believed they did not, then I would likely raise my objections to the administration staff; if, after two instances of raising my objection and explaining why I believe their reasoning are wrong, the entire administrative staff still believed their actions were correct, I would resign my position as a moderator, as I would no longer have enough faith in the administration to fulfil my duties properly.
Hey man I'll have you know that's happened to at least half a dozen of my groundbreaking new works to date.
Oh, actually, correction. That's not necessary for my argument.
See, this part, read strictly, is an agreement that actions cannot be taken by the staff without explicit authorization from the CC, no?
This part only gives the power to administer, not the authorization. And it's the only mention of housekeeping threads!
Notice the actual wording of that bit of the compact. You know, the part which I've mentioned repeatedly as not supporting you?
Yes, in that case you are not making a derogatory statement which would be reasonably expressed in the course of debate. This is kind of different from what Lord Squishy did, which is make an insulting statement in the course of the debate. People complain about the Community Compact being written in legalese, but it turns out that apparently explicitly written parts of it in plain English are impossible for most people to comprehend, sooo.
Wakka
Shadow Cabal Man in Black
- Location
- California
No it doesn't. It literally doesn't. Stickied threads have nothing to do with how many regular threads are displayed. lrn2XenForo n00b
Evillevi
A Pikachu for everything - Shadow Pikachu,2015
My interest in this debacle is irrelevant to my participation from an outside perspective
I and a number of others who ran quests Likely don't care about being in the front page. More to the point you'll need to prove that enough people (Quest Makers in this case and in proportion to the total) actually have a problem with this since then you actually have an abuse of power problem.
Here let me help get the ball rolling.
@wdango , @Mecrazyfang , @Lost Star, @Mazrick do you guys feel that Squishy's act of stickying his 'experimental' quest is a problem for you guys in any way shape of form.
Doesn't work that way
Proof: @Xon does the forum load up the same number of nonstickied thread regardless of how many stickied threads that arecurrently stickied
Skyllian Blitz
Shadow Cabal Member
- Location
- Behind the Great Firewall
Before Squishy stickied his quest, there were 30 quests on the front page and 8 stickied threads all of which are clumped together like some sort of FAQ/info section. After he stickied his quest, there are now only 30 quests on the front page and 9 stickied threads.
Such arrogance! such outrage! to deny us our 30 quests on the front page and to steal questers away from more deserving threads!
Edit: goddamnit, @Wakka , you ninja.
Such arrogance! such outrage! to deny us our 30 quests on the front page and to steal questers away from more deserving threads!
Edit: goddamnit, @Wakka , you ninja.
Last edited:
For reference, the original tags by LordSquishy were " drama llama, drama lamma, doing whatever a drama lamma does, perspective: not just for mirrors anymore"
- Location
- .
Did you miss the argument about it being bad form?
Because it certainly feels that way from down here.
- Location
- HELL
- Pronouns
- They/It
Would you drop dead if you stopped acting like a condescending fuckwit every five seconds?
I'm not even being witty. This is a serious question.
My mistake then, thanks for the correction.
Still, point is, it's an unfair advantage. And now I go.
Last edited:
Mister Bad Guy
Mr Mercury to friends
- Location
- Bay Area
"Tags: Brouhahas, Fracases, This Is SV, bad decisions, oh lord squishy no"
Lord Squishy, shown here being a mature individual.
Lord Squishy, shown here being a mature individual.
- Location
- .
So you did make Quests.
Good for you.
Now how about you call in people who are emotionally attached and not necessarily the most popular QM's on SV?
The Bird
tEM IS GUD...RITER!
- Location
- In that den of villains and scum, OKLAHOMA
.....Actually it was Stryp who gave those tags.
Last edited:
- Location
- Australia
No, I did not. I disagree with the premise of the argument, that Squishy's actions constitute bad form.
Skyllian Blitz
Shadow Cabal Member
- Location
- Behind the Great Firewall
If you think that's Squishy instead of all the other mods taking the piss, I have a shiny almost-new bridge to sell you.
- Location
- .
And nothing I say or do will change your opinion on the matter.
We will have to agree to disagree.
- Status