Hugh_Donnetono Presents: SV Mafia All-Stars (Or: A Crisis On Infinite Sus)

Was debating bringing up both of these things yeah. It falls into the section where it's debatably worse to give the information in case it's not apparent to either Atoms or the Class President, either as a potential claim for why Atoms might know about the role (Lover [SK actually] turned executioner vibes) and the cultist either aiming for those it doesn't work against... Or the role doesn't have that restriction here and we shouldn't put aside the idea of certain people not getting culted because they're not vanilla.
Bleh, yeah, maybe. I dunno, I figure anyone with a personal mechanical investment in the role is gonna put more work than I did into digging into it, so I rated the odds of actually catching scum out by hiding the info as relatively minimal. But then I've never had a great head for when, if ever, it's correct to conceal theoretically-public info.
 
But who would actually have participated in all those games? Sure, vets would play more than people who have this as their first or third game on the site, but there's no way anyone has enough experience to not have huge blindspots everywhere.
That is a good point, but I had assumed there might be some who played a fair amount of them.

That aside, I would like to know how Atom knew specifically what he did and how likely it is accurate, but I'm also surprised by some players' nonchalance about his apparent revelations too.
 
Most games take about two months to run in full, and sometimes we have gaps. We also don't run multiple games at the same time.
Ah right.
[X] Vote Archeo Lumiere
I'm tired, but openly role claiming day 1 under minimal pressure is not something to encourage. Especially because vanillas job is to pretend not to be one in order to act as ablative armor to town.
Although I agree with what you said, I don't like the vote. I don't think a Day 1 vanilla claim vote is that good.
 
...can I ask what the goal of this was

cause I don't see how this is town positive
@NinetyNineLies to echo an earlier question from IH, now with a bit more urgency: what exactly was supposed to be the pro-Town motive for this?
I mostly just want to see if anyone would go for this kind of play. The point of the question isn't to see if anyone is actually vanilla, it's to see if how someone would react to the hypothetical presence of vanilla.

What about you two? You got any general questions for the rest of us instead of poking people who poke their heads first?
 
Going by memory at the moment, The Stars Are Right definitely had a role that did that, but it was killed immediately and the abilities it had was secret to the holder. I believe that either Tri-Cult (Which was this site) or the Clown Cults (Which I believe was SB) had a role like that as well. I don't think that we ever had a straight "Cult Cop" in our games though.

Perfectly normal had a cult cop if I remember correctly, it was devil's role? Was a deprogrammer I think. Would go check but still tired and I'm on the catchup here.

It didn't work then, but could possibly do so now
 
I mostly just want to see if anyone would go for this kind of play. The point of the question isn't to see if anyone is actually vanilla, it's to see if how someone would react to the hypothetical presence of vanilla.

What about you two? You got any general questions for the rest of us instead of poking people who poke their heads first?
Okay but what useful information would you have been able to extract from whatever responses people had, then? Hell, what useful information have you extracted from what responses people had?

You're talking like vague general questions to the thread are somehow more productive than targeted questioning, which in my experience is entirely the wrong way around.
What do y'all think the hidden power meant in this sentence? Is it possible scum have an alternative win condition?
It's conceivable, but again, not sure productive outputs this question has. We still need them dead and they're still apparently gonna be killing us, and insofar as that line could suggest an alternate wincon it's extremely likely one related to ferreting out some sort of information, so anyone with special knowledge on the matter should probably play it close to the chest for now.
 
(also I'm gonna go pass out now; even if I disagree on how, the point is legitimately taken that I should probably widen my net some too, but I Do Not have the mental gas for that right now)
 
So fun question, but on the off chance he's not scum, are you gonna have any kind of explanation? I highly doubt you're 100% calling your shot right now, after all, so can we get the counterargument out of the way first?
Not really no, that kinda falls under the categories of "Is in communication with the role and assumed it has to still be a cultist" and "Lying."

The third category of "A Bunch of Atoms knows all the roles that exist in the game and is also Town" is where my later mention of "I'd rather this role dies because that would really suck."
What's "this" in this context? Please explain.
Commander Rhodes reference.
Also can attest my role was dead in the game it's from.
Legend of Ruina confirmed exploding Imp? Yes.
Bleh, yeah, maybe. I dunno, I figure anyone with a personal mechanical investment in the role is gonna put more work than I did into digging into it, so I rated the odds of actually catching scum out by hiding the info as relatively minimal. But then I've never had a great head for when, if ever, it's correct to conceal theoretically-public info.
I wouldn't worry about it, I was just saying that I was thinking about mentioning it but wasn't sure if it'd have value if I didn't.
Perfectly normal had a cult cop if I remember correctly, it was devil's role? Was a deprogrammer I think. Would go check but still tired and I'm on the catchup here.

It didn't work then, but could possibly do so now
... I'm thinking now about the possibility that the Perfectly Normal roles could get tossed in here and either secretly not work or suddenly work now that the game's not secretly vanilla.

Double checking the Bastard classification again...
 
Unfortunately there isn't really anything that piques my interest having caught up to things again -- discussion has kind of stayed more on the mechanical and theoretical ends of things, which hasn't really made for any particularly scummy moments that haven't already been called out. I will agree that 99's post specifically asking for VTs stands out among the rest so far, but since that's already being pursued I will defer to Wiadi's push for now, since she's the one that found it originally. Full opinion pending on 99's response.
 
If there is no second or more vanilla claims I'm making archeo go away.
I was trying to be subtle, ugh.

Hi, 'vanilla' here. @Archeo Lumiere reread your rolecard and realize hugh likes to be dramatic. You probably have a power and it will work but 'you' don't know that it actually functions in character.

I'll confirm the line about being powerless here is something I have as well, but I know how hugh writes so I'm fairly certain I can use the power my character is sure won't work.
 
Hi, 'vanilla' here. @Archeo Lumiere reread your rolecard and realize hugh likes to be dramatic. You probably have a power and it will work but 'you' don't know that it actually functions in character.
I'll drop my subtlety since you dropped yours -- I have a few questions regarding this:

1) How much do you believe in Atoms' claim, going purely from the idea that Ultimate Class Rep exists within this game?
2) If you believe Atoms is telling the truth about the role, do you think the Vanilla addendum is present in this game?
3) If you believe the Vanilla addendum is present, do you have any good reasons why you and Archeo shouldn't die as soon as possible?
 
Okay but what useful information would you have been able to extract from whatever responses people had, then? Hell, what useful information have you extracted from what responses people had?

You're talking like vague general questions to the thread are somehow more productive than targeted questioning, which in my experience is entirely the wrong way around.

It's conceivable, but again, not sure productive outputs this question has. We still need them dead and they're still apparently gonna be killing us, and insofar as that line could suggest an alternate wincon it's extremely likely one related to ferreting out some sort of information, so anyone with special knowledge on the matter should probably play it close to the chest for now.

Uuh, if we're talking about what information I got, it's that I absolutely do not trust Nictis when they're in a roleplaying mood. But I'm disinclined to vote Nictis so early this game because that fucked a lot of things over in the previous game, so I'm sitting on that for now.

In regards to Atoms, I'm not sure if I see the cult suspicions as particularly vote-worthy? It's a bit of an odd topic to bring up, but it's probably either just a misunderstanding or trying to make a conversation. Personal opinion, but I think mafias are more inclined to lay low and not bring up weird topics like cults.

Also, I am mildly confused about Archeo, did they actually confess to being a vanilla, or was that just sarcasm?
 
Uuh, if we're talking about what information I got, it's that I absolutely do not trust Nictis when they're in a roleplaying mood. But I'm disinclined to vote Nictis so early this game because that fucked a lot of things over in the previous game, so I'm sitting on that for now.
Judging by your previous few games, I'd request that you put your this aside for now, since it seems to me like you just distrust Nictis on a principle level more than anything :V
 
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