Hugh_Donnetono Presents: SV Mafia All-Stars (Or: A Crisis On Infinite Sus)

I'll drop my subtlety since you dropped yours -- I have a few questions regarding this:

1) How much do you believe in Atoms' claim, going purely from the idea that Ultimate Class Rep exists within this game?
2) If you believe Atoms is telling the truth about the role, do you think the Vanilla addendum is present in this game?
3) If you believe the Vanilla addendum is present, do you have any good reasons why you and Archeo shouldn't die as soon as possible?
This is the same reason I was skeptical that that role retain it's culting power. I do not have complete access to the original role's everything. Specifically faction-related powers are missing.

and as I was explaining I do not believe I am actually vanilla, rather my character believes their power was intrinsically linked to their setting and outside it it obviously shouldn't work… I was still given abilities I can 'try' though, and I'm fairly certain they will actually function. Archeo is just taking Hugh'd dramatic writing a bit too literally :D

Also I've got an eye on you. Intentionally trying to get town kicked is not a good look.
 
Because even if the culting power works, and we specifically are vulnerable to it, killing us does nothing to actually stop the cult, it just wastes town's time and cuts down on info town can get.
 
This is the same reason I was skeptical that that role retain it's culting power. I do not have complete access to the original role's everything. Specifically faction-related powers are missing.

and as I was explaining I do not believe I am actually vanilla, rather my character believes their power was intrinsically linked to their setting and outside it it obviously shouldn't work… I was still given abilities I can 'try' though, and I'm fairly certain they will actually function. Archeo is just taking Hugh'd dramatic writing a bit too literally :D

Also I've got an eye on you. Intentionally trying to get town kicked is not a good look.
Surely you understand the look of having two vanilla claims in the midst of the primary discussion being about a role that was explicitly able to recruit vanillas though, right? I find it really odd that you're at all suspicious of my concerns here, as they are perfectly legitimate, and I'm sure I wouldn't be alone in that sentiment.
 
fwiw, I don't believe you either. At this point, I'm half-thinking the fluff of the role you got is a compulsive liar, so you're rolling with it.
Not enough Liarjack Eyes :V
[X] Vote Archeo Lumiere
I'm tired, but openly role claiming day 1 under minimal pressure is not something to encourage. Especially because vanillas job is to pretend not to be one in order to act as ablative armor to town.

Also can attest my role was dead in the game it's from.
Huh. Okay, thanks for the info, I've only ever really played in "zero vanillas" games, so I wasn't aware of this etiquette, truly something that should have come up in my schooling.
She definitely expressed frustration at being vanilla town, which struck me as genuine.
He/they normally.
I was trying to be subtle, ugh.

Hi, 'vanilla' here. @Archeo Lumiere reread your rolecard and realize hugh likes to be dramatic. You probably have a power and it will work but 'you' don't know that it actually functions in character.

I'll confirm the line about being powerless here is something I have as well, but I know how hugh writes so I'm fairly certain I can use the power my character is sure won't work.
No, no, I'm most definitely vanilla, the game I'm from was super low power mostly.
Also, I am mildly confused about Archeo, did they actually confess to being a vanilla, or was that just sarcasm?
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Because even if the culting power works, and we specifically are vulnerable to it, killing us does nothing to actually stop the cult, it just wastes town's time and cuts down on info town can get.
I also find it a lot more difficult to trust that the mechanic just doesn't exist in this game now that there are two claims out that it can benefit from.

And I also highly doubt that if you are recruited, you would just up and tell everybody. Sure there's no chance of it now, but that is not an acceptable fact beyond Night 1.
 
Surely you understand the look of having two vanilla claims in the midst of the primary discussion being about a role that was explicitly able to recruit vanillas though, right? I find it really odd that you're at all suspicious of my concerns here, as they are perfectly legitimate, and I'm sure I wouldn't be alone in that sentiment.
I got kicked into it by Ori having a gun, because I know she will in fact shoot, and I don't want to waste town's time and limited kills with her shooting someone I'm 99% sure is town.

No excuse for Archeo, I'm annoyed by that as well.

And no, no one else even mentioned this until now despite it obviously existing, so this feels like you attempting to deflect to keep the vote focused on town rather than risk it coming loose.
 
I also find it a lot more difficult to trust that the mechanic just doesn't exist in this game now that there are two claims out that it can benefit from.

And I also highly doubt that if you are recruited, you would just up and tell everybody. Sure there's no chance of it now, but that is not an acceptable fact beyond Night 1.
Of course I wouldn't, that would be against the spirit of the game. But my actions will probably differ, no way to know since I have no idea what is going on.

But, frankly, am I the only one who finds someone actively trying to kick someone they appear to completely believe is town suspicious as hell? I mean yeah, maybe I am actually recruitable… but why hell would you waste a day 1 vote on is when it can't give any information because we are fucking town.

[X] vote -Rosen
 
And no, no one else even mentioned this until now despite it obviously existing, so this feels like you attempting to deflect to keep the vote focused on town rather than risk it coming loose.
#2: As a feature of the role not listed in the rolecard but elaborated below it, "Nanimani [i.e. the Class Rep] had the power to recruit people to their cause, but only true vanilla roles could be recruited." So if the role really was ported over 1-to-1 then it'd only work on vanillas, which I still don't really believe in for this game, so we're probably fine? Hopefully? Also because I don't really believe in a Cult in a game without either a Bastard tag or explicit warning that there'll be a Cult, but that may be too optimistic of me, I'll grant.
I promise you I'm not pulling this out of thin air.
 
See, killing the vanilla town to potentially, maybe, stop a cult that may be limited to recruiting vanilla town before they are actually recruited makes absolutely no sense for town. It cuts off information. It means you aren't actually hunting for the cult leader.

But it makes perfect sense for various possible third parties or the scum team. All of whom are perfectly fine with town spinning its wheels for no gain.
 
But, frankly, am I the only one who finds someone actively trying to kick someone they appear to completely believe is town suspicious as hell? I mean yeah, maybe I am actually recruitable… but why hell would you waste a day 1 vote on is when it can't give any information because we are fucking town.
First of all, don't attribute this belief to me -- I'm acting purely based on the claims in front of me.

Second of all, you're getting quite stuck on the "die as soon as possible" line -- if I wanted action on that line my questions to you would have been accompanied by an immediate vote.

Third of all, even without wanting to wagon, I still don't see the issue with having immediate concerns with the state of Archeo's or your slot, knowing both of your claims already pretty conveniently line up with multiple previous discussions (99L explicitly asking for Vanilla claims, and Atoms claiming the existence of a Cult via Ultimate Class Rep).

The way I see things right now, on a principle level, the only way either of you can be trusted at all beyond Night 1 is if we are able to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that Class Rep is a Scum role specifically, in which case seeing a Scum NK would prevent conversion that Night based on the function of the power. As things stand right now, we probably won't know that kind of information for a good while, unless someone gets a super crazy Night 1 result to provide temporary exoneration immediately.
 
(Also if it wasn't clear by now, the combination of discussions thus far have led me to fully believe Atoms' initial claim that Class Rep indeed exists)
 
I got kicked into it by Ori having a gun, because I know she will in fact shoot, and I don't want to waste town's time and limited kills with her shooting someone I'm 99% sure is town.
I initially took that as a joke, lmao, but explain the gun mechanic here for me?

Also, I think the arguing about Archeo coming out as vanilla has effectively dissuaded anyone else who is vanilla from divulging that information, which probably has advantages and disadvantages.
 
This is the same reason I was skeptical that that role retain it's culting power. I do not have complete access to the original role's everything. Specifically faction-related powers are missing.

and as I was explaining I do not believe I am actually vanilla, rather my character believes their power was intrinsically linked to their setting and outside it it obviously shouldn't work… I was still given abilities I can 'try' though, and I'm fairly certain they will actually function.
Factional powers missing? Interesting. I don't see why that would correlate to not having cult powers? You yourself retained some powers (to various degrees of functionality). It would make more sense that they would keep the ability to cult (it just might not work). I doubt the role was completely crippled into just being investigation immune.
 
I may as well Semi-Claim at this point

I have a very obvious and hard to miss day-vig which I will for obvious reasons not be discussing the actual limits that may or may not exist. It resolves at EOD.
 
I initially took that as a joke, lmao, but explain the gun mechanic here for me?

Also, I think the arguing about Archeo coming out as vanilla has effectively dissuaded anyone else who is vanilla from divulging that information, which probably has advantages and disadvantages.
Ori is claiming to be a vig. That is what she means by having a gun.

Factional powers missing? Interesting. I don't see why that would correlate to not having cult powers? You yourself retained some powers (to various degrees of functionality). It would make more sense that they would keep the ability to cult (it just might not work). I doubt the role was completely crippled into just being investigation immune.
Yes, I'm thinking the culting power may have been considered part of their scum-powers, in which case it likely did not come along for the ride. If it was brought along I suspect the limitations will exist but be different, hard to tell what, though. But I can't see enough vanilla town existing to give a cult a chance, so if they are a 3P it has to act differently. If they are part of the scum team again, well, then that may be the case.

And my role may or may not actually have powers at all, lost its factional power, and lost an additional power on top of that. I empathize with Archeo for a reason.
 
Okay at this point I'm really hoping some or all of you are lying, 'cause otherwise we've officially entered D1 Infoleak Hell and I'm hard-pressed to remember a time that ended well. I would like to politely but firmly encourage anyone else considering sharing role info that's not immediately critical to Not Do That.

(currently working on putting together a broader picture of the game but gonna be a bit in and out of the thread today)
 
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