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This is what I was getting at when I first brought up the "drug" thing. If you swallow an ounce of goop and it heals your cancer, I'd call the goop a drug.
Hostage Situation [Worm AU Fanfic]
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This is what I was getting at when I first brought up the "drug" thing. If you swallow an ounce of goop and it heals your cancer, I'd call the goop a drug.
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I doubt even Panacea could make a drug that cures cancer, but most medical issues aren't that difficult to deal with.
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No, they are not.
Given access to a person's DNA, she could probably create a bio-organism tailored to that person that would cure the cancer.
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If you're talking about curing cancer? Probably. But she could make organisms that produce a wide range of useful drugs that do all sorts of things, from ati-biotics and anti-virals to drugs to speed up healing injuries, strengthen arteries or bones, dissolve kidney stones, or even cosmetic stuff like improve skin tone, etc...It would probably have to be tailored to the person. And it would be quicker and easier, unless she was working off a DNA sample, to just cure the damn cancer herself
Most of those would be prescription drugs but they'd still be quite useful.
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I would think that she could create vaccines and antibiotics very easily. A vaccine is primarily a virus that has been rendered sterile. An antibiotic is a targeted poison that kills bacteria but not humans. A vat the size of a bathtub full of a vaccine is likely a few hundred million doses. A bacterial colony that produces a novel antibiotic could be self sustaining and produce more antibiotic than the world needs after a few months of seeding.
Having read this I have to say that this is one of the healthiest ways I have ever seen Panacea break.
Make no mistake it is still a mental break to make the demands she is making with the information she has and with basically no real memory of her father, for all she is lucky enough that Marquis actually is the man she imagines him to be.
Make no mistake it is still a mental break to make the demands she is making with the information she has and with basically no real memory of her father, for all she is lucky enough that Marquis actually is the man she imagines him to be.
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You couldargue they are, since Tinker bullshit works via Shard bullshit, so any 'cure' Amy made would just be some sort of dimensional marker that encourages her shard to do X to whatever biological thing ingests it.
I mean, Worm things are, essentially, magic in application. You might as well say they can do whatever.
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Amy is not a Tinker, so she can't pull that bullshit.
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Due to constructive criticism, I have decided to alter Marquis' wording while speaking to Director Costa-Brown:
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I don't remember exactly what was in the original version, so I can't really tell the difference. I was fine with the original.
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So?
Shard bullshit all the same bullshit only getting what they want bullshit *waves hands furiously*
Really, there's that much leeway/lack of detail you could swing it any which way you want (which I'm aware is 'not a Tinker, can't do that' for you, and that's fine too).
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True, Amy is not a Tinker. Tinkers are weak next to what Amy is. Amy is a biokinetic who has no limits on her power beyond short range. Tinkers produce technology, Amy is the Goddess of Medicine.
Tinkers can and often do make things that seem to break reality -- but they need tools to do it. A Tinker could make an anti-cancer drug if they had the right specialty, but that drug won't cure the common cold, just cancer.
Amy doesn't need tools, and she can cure anything so long as the problem or the solution is possible for a biological organism, whether an organism that does that is present or not. Suppose she took a spoonful of bread yeast and altered it into something that eats cancer cells and excretes a substance that encourages very rapid healthy cell growth? How is that different in end results than a Tinker's anti-cancer drug?
I'm waiting for a story where Amy has to turn a random bystander or off duty PRT Trooper into a badass supersoldier to get out of a sticky situation.
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The difference between a biokinetic and a bio-Tinker?
A biokinetic can do anything that's biologically possible, and do it fast.
A bio-Tinker can do things that are biologically impossible, just a little slower.
Just for instance, Riley was able to mash Hatchet Face and Oni Lee together, using remote waldos. Her power allowed her to do that. It would have been literally impossible for Amy to do.
Amy has to work within the limitations of the biological system. Riley is a Tinker and thus can bypass those limitations.
And that's the difference.
A biokinetic can do anything that's biologically possible, and do it fast.
A bio-Tinker can do things that are biologically impossible, just a little slower.
Just for instance, Riley was able to mash Hatchet Face and Oni Lee together, using remote waldos. Her power allowed her to do that. It would have been literally impossible for Amy to do.
Amy has to work within the limitations of the biological system. Riley is a Tinker and thus can bypass those limitations.
And that's the difference.
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Given the existence of Atlas, or the magical Prion anti-plague I'm not so sure about that, but it works as a rule for your story.
Finagle007
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Josuke Higashikata could do that too, via Crazy Diamond... fanfic idea?
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I'm personally not entirely certain that Wildbow was fully aware of how you can't just scale up a bug to human sizes, but I'm willing to accept that Amy put in some sort of hybrid system to allow him to breathe and support himself at that size. As for the prion anti-plague, she worked out something that would destroy the prions, and made it self-replicating.
I'm personally of the belief that her hero complex was so strong that if she could have created a universal anti-cancer serum or virus or whatever, she would have. Have the PRT test it on a few volunteers (of which there would be no lack) and then release it into the wild, as it were.
I think what you mean here is a disease that passes along the same vectors as another disease but cures / fixes the second. For example creating a sexually transmitted virus that cures HIV or AIDS. The problem there, and this is where I think Panacea gets a benefit from the New Wave / Protectorate "tinker limitations," is that anything she "releases into the wild" has the same chance to grow, adapt, and mutate as anything else. So that HIV / AIDS cure might become something worse.
Of course, anything that is "self-replicating" is a terrible idea in the Worm-verse know what we, the readers, know about Shards. Since they are designed to promote conflict.. well.. let's just say I expect the odds of something going sideways is a near certainty.
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I don't see it. Panacea doesn't just need to be a hero, she needs to feel like one. Creating an anti-cancer serum and then sitting back while other people distribute it doesn't feel heroic. She needs to be out there, healing people personally, and healing as many people as possible. Yes, there's a direct contradiction between those two goals. We can see it immediately, but Canon Amy was a stupid teenager who didn't know what she wanted until she could no longer have it.
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I half remember it coming up in the story, but since I can't even remember where it happened to check... whatever.
Fixed that for you because Worm, for one, and Shards like things getting worse, for two.
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I was thinking more of the fact that she made something that was capable of VTOL with over 50 kg of payload, and then fly around in a highly maneuverable fashion. The issue with bugs being too small are all solvable, and from Amy's comments in canon I think Wildbow is aware of the issues with scaling up bugs to human size, and had Amy address them.
She made something that:
1)Fixed the damage the "Prions" caused (not just destroy them).
2)was self replicating.
3)did not cause any damage of its own
4)Spread at even greater speed than the ludicrous speed than the "prions" did.
1&2 are certainly within the abilities of a biological system, 3 might be, 4 isn't.
Given that she seems to have plenty of time to go to the bank, or on dates, or accompany her sister on patrol coupled with the fact that Brockton bay hospitals have long term care for injuries besides brain damage(and yet apparently do not have a massive amount of medical tourism) makes me think that she simply is very inefficient about how she heals people, and that despite her angst about it she doesn't actually spend nearly as much in the hospital as fanon tends to assume.
Dead-Not
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Hey what chapter of worm is the Brandish talking to Marquis from?Let's look at the death rate. There were about 200 people in the Birdcage when it was opened up to fight Zion. The numbers issued to inmates were over the 600 mark. That's a 2-in-3 casualty rate.
No, it's really not. He was polite and courteous, unless he wanted to push someone for something.
Or even be perfectly charming and then casually beat them a moment later in battle.
In fact, Brandish herself notes this:
"What? No, no, I wasn't trying to destroy the city. I was doing some urban renewal, see?" (starts putting uprooted trees back)
We shall see what we shall see.
That too
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Unless her reverse-plague actually piggybacked on the pre-existing spread of the prions ...
Going to the bank was apparently happening during her lunch hour, the date was that evening, and she doesn't go on patrol on a regular basis (as noted by Lung).
Canonically, she gets up in the middle of the night and walks to the hospital, and spends a few hours healing people. Any other healing she does is in the normal course of her superhero work, or if she's requested to come in for special cases. But it's frequent enough that she feels resentment, and their faces blur in her mind.
Interlude 15.
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