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HALPing the Cycle (Worm, QA pov)

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Trondason said:
That wasn't the only thing.

Us talking to our Host is another form. So we'd need to set up all deals in such a way that it's plausible we are doing just normal shard pushing and prodding in the background.
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Blitzkreug said:
Your Host shook their head. "No, not that I meant like, could you talk to them to do that stuff?" They asked with a shrug of their shoulders.

Oh, that's what they meant. 'We could, but we should not. Hosts are suppose to be largely autonomous, decreased corruption of data, and most other shards would probably consider our mother-given connection cheating."

You could sense confusion in your Host. "What… exactly does cheating mean to them?"

'Hosts are given restrictions on their power, to encourage creativity. However if one Patron cheats, gives their Host an unfair advantage, other Patrons will cheat in turn. Tends to lead to quite a lot of data collection, though only for a brief period before most of the Hosts expire.'

Your Host grimaced. "So getting you to talk to say Lung's Shard who's already a dangerous and powerful person, the Shard would say you're cheating and Lung gets a lot more dangerous in turn?" Your Host asked, moving their hands as they talked.

'If they think I'm cheating. Deals between Patrons do happen, if I present the scenario as just one of those, I might be able to convince them of something.'

"So what's these deals you all can make?" Your Host asked slowly.

'Whatever the other Patron agrees to. Obviously they are unlikely to agree to let you kill their Host.' You pointed out.

Your Host shook their head. "No, no, just less… killing of people overall."

'Convincing them to limit themselves to non-lethal measures only, as well as presenting the scenario in a natural way to their Host, would require some large concessions.' Probably would take getting your host to make themselves subordinate to theirs, if not more.
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So yes, you are correct on that point, but I have no idea why you brought it up.

People were listing things Taylor or QA could offer Armsmaster/EfficiencyShard, so I brought up the fact that with some time for extensive study and no alterations to anyone at all's power Taylor could effortlessly keep tinkertech from degrading and - in fact - spawn new copies of tinkertech from any sufficient volume of nonliving matter.

Given that it would act as a de facto non-degrading + mass-produced tinkertech upgrade for Armsmaster and his Shard, it should have a very high value in negotiations. After all, the fact that Armsmaster would have more time to work on new designs and that the Protectorate/Wards/PRT could get a bunch of upgrades would drastically heighten the data gathered by shards.
 
killfr3nzy said:
So yes, you are correct on that point, but I have no idea why you brought it up.

People were listing things Taylor or QA could offer Armsmaster/EfficiencyShard, so I brought up the fact that with some time for extensive study and no alterations to anyone at all's power Taylor could effortlessly keep tinkertech from degrading and - in fact - spawn new copies of tinkertech from any sufficient volume of nonliving matter.

Given that it would act as a de facto non-degrading + mass-produced tinkertech upgrade for Armsmaster and his Shard, it should have a very high value in negotiations. After all, the fact that Armsmaster would have more time to work on new designs and that the Protectorate/Wards/PRT could get a bunch of upgrades would drastically heighten the data gathered by shards.
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The reason I brought it up, is because we'd need to be careful in our negotiations. I didn't say that that our offer wasn't viable, because of cheating, but that when we talk about our Host doing stuff for Armsy, we can't make it sound like we are talking to our Host, but rather, from our Host's POV, they came up with the idea entirely on their own.
 
Trondason said:
The reason I brought it up, is because we'd need to be careful in our negotiations. I didn't say that that our offer wasn't viable, because of cheating, but that when we talk about our Host doing stuff for Armsy, we can't make it sound like we are talking to our Host, but rather, from our Host's POV, they came up with the idea entirely on their own.
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If ArmsShard helps us, then we'll use our totally normal, not-at-all-amplified-no-sir Shard-type influence on our Host to help them.
 
I'm sorry ladies and gentlemen but apparently my co-writer doesn't trust you all to vote and read the messages in this quest by yourselves, and rather need me to shove this into your faces. So every time I brought up what to write next chapter he would talk about me not resetting votes like he wanted for you all to look at this quote
Blitzkreug said:
This. Word for word. QA spent an entire night trying to figure out how to make roofing material and it messed with Tay's dreams some. No telling how it'd affect her while awake and talking.

Along with 8 hours for one material, Plaster. Compared to say a computer that has copper, steel, plastic, glass, wires, silicon and etc. That means a long time to learn a computer then longer still to ensure everything works and flows right. BS tinker tech? Far more complicated and numerous with materials, design, the ability of said tech?

And you think you can get something useful from a practical glance?
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Because he thinks that none of you who haven't changed votes, has seen it. So to move on with this quest can everyone please redo their votes? I'll be leaving the same vote options from prior below.

[] Nudge your Host towards accepting.
[] Nudge your Host towards rejecting.
[] Let them decide on their own.
[] Write-in
 
[x] Let them decide on their own.
-[x] Take the time instead to have a look at the very interesting equipment he's got there.
 
Reeeeee-mix.

I'm just kidding, my vote's the same.

[x] Let them decide on their own.
-[X] Talk with other Hosts Shard.
 
Trondason said:
Why do that? QM has almost straight up said that we don't got time to get anything interesting.
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Well we can't learn how to reproduce it, no... but it's probably still worth a look.

If nothing else we can see what tinkertech looks like and what kind of materials to study later.

Which is a good point, actually...

[x] Let them decide on their own.
-[X] Talk with other Hosts Shard.
--[x] Also take the time to have a look at the tinkertech; seehe what kind of things its made of, if she can determine its function at all, learn what materials she'll need to memorise if she wants to recreate it
 
I've found the quest so far interesting. I think the concept is kind of fun and the indirect approach to Taylor will do good to enable interesting character interactions!

However, a general note on the material analysis... plaster is a crystallized water mixture of shit like gypsum or lime, whereas things like copper alloys and the composition of things like silicon chips is actually elementally far more straightforward, if QA is going from an atomic scale up. The lattice framework of a metallic compound is not a heterogeneous mess like a kind of cement compound.

Nonetheless, the question of magnitudes is still valid. But it's not as simple as it was discussed in the past.

Also, nudging Taylor towards Armsmaster (or against him) would likely be noticed. He might have cameras on the back of his armor, or would certainly notice QA pulling Taylor along or her eyes focusing on some far-off object. Worst-case scenario, he'll be suspicious of Master/Stranger interference.
 
Serguzzle said:
Also, nudging Taylor towards Armsmaster (or against him) would likely be noticed. He might have cameras on the back of his armor, or would certainly notice QA pulling Taylor along or her eyes focusing on some far-off object.
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The impression I got was that it wasn't writing on the wall or anything, but a mental nudge. You know, like shards normally do. Otherwise, why would there be reference to our unusual connection to our Host?
 
A damaged connection with Shard processes for some reason leaking over into the host's mind might not be the best for nudging though. QA hasn't exactly had this kind of connection to any Host before. So could be a fine mental nudge. Could be a brute nudge. It however will not be writing on the wall.
 
Trondason said:
The impression I got was that it wasn't writing on the wall or anything, but a mental nudge. You know, like shards normally do. Otherwise, why would there be reference to our unusual connection to our Host?
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Previous mental nudges have been more like gunshots than brain taps, from what I can recall. That's why the writing has been a thing. Either way, transferring data to her will come along with a brain-blast: a 'nudge' would tell her literally nothing otherwise.

[x] Let them decide on their own.
 
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Serguzzle said:
Previous mental nudges have been more like gunshots than brain taps, from what I can recall. That's why the writing has been a thing. Either way, transferring data to her will come along with a brain-blast: a 'nudge' would tell her literally nothing otherwise.
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QA did note she was fairly certain she could do something without any problems like that, due to how 50/50 Tay has been.
Plus, what previous nudges? Everything else we have done (besides the finger twitch) was a result of us talking to Taylor, not just messing with her mind very slightly.
 
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Trondason said:
QA did note she was fairly certain she could do something without any problems like that, due to how 50/50 Tay has been.
Plus, what previous nudges? Everything else we have done (besides the finger twitch) was a result of us talking to Taylor, not just messing with her mind very slightly.
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Re-read it, you're definitely right. Sorry about that.

To which I'm going to say, about the 'nudge': ohhhh, we're not gonna tell her what we think, let's just mind rape her into making a decision based on our whims! I see now!
 
[X] Let them decide on their own.

Same reasoning: Let her decide by herself so that she gets more sure of herself. If she is sure of something she will go foreward and sooner or later get into conflict.
 
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