Halkegenia Online

Leon89 said:
I'm just waiting on Kirito or some one getting their hands on Derflinger. Ye olden talking sword needs some tender loving care. And to be swung around by some one competent. He'd make a good sword for Kirito in my mind.
Eh, it'd be funnier if he ended up with Klein or Leafa. Klein to give the guy a bit of a combat buff, and Leafa for hijinks.

"I'm having flash backs partner."
 
iamnuff said:
heh, i thought that, then i remembered that derf can jump from one sword to another.


i can see him leaping out of one weapon into a better one, every time Klein finds a new (cooler) katana
wait, he can do that?
 
Leon89 said:
Yeah derf can jump bodies/blades when his old one gets destroyed. It's kinda an important plot point in cannon, since his old form got destroyed. He transfered over to a Katana. Also a fighter jet, but that's much much later into the story.
Wait, fighter jet? How is that a sword?
 
Maybe in the same way that a pistol can kinda-sorta be a dagger?
Any fighter jet with sword-based names?
 
ckk185 said:
Wait, fighter jet? How is that a sword?
They integrated Derf into a subset of gandalfr powers and since a fighter jet is a weapon they rolled with it.

Mainly because they would rather fill the chapters with harem antics rather than have Saito train Iatsu and acquire his katana.
 
Felix3D said:
Slowpoking a lot, but saw this bit of fanon that I have to correct:

No it's not. That's fanon.

There is no basis in canon (From what we know so far) that there is any time warping capability for Shaitan's gate.

Tiger Tank, and Nuclear submarine are NOT necessarily from any time outside of the era they were built in.

It does not contradict canon, per se, as there are no explicit dates when they're summoned, but it is not supported by it.
Wait, what? You'll need to explain that more thoroughly, because it certainly seems to be drawing things from different points in the timeline.
 
Felix is saying that there is no canon evidence that Shaitan's Gate is an ISOT.
 
HawaiianOnline said:
Maybe not just swords, but weapons in general? That fighter didn't happen to be named after a sword, did it? (F-22 Rapier, etc.) If it is weapons in general, then what about non-real life weapons, like a battlemech or a Gundam? That would be getting a bit off topic though. Isn't there a FOZ fic with a Zaku in it somewhere on this forum?
The fighter should really be ignored, it is an utterly impossible event that could only occur with authorial magic.

Too clarify that, Saito should have been incapable of stealing that fighter without a ground crew to fuel and arm it first.
 
Felix3D said:
There is no basis in canon (From what we know so far) that there is any time warping capability for Shaitan's gate.

Tiger Tank, and Nuclear submarine are NOT necessarily from any time outside of the era they were built in.

It does not contradict canon, per se, as there are no explicit dates when they're summoned, but it is not supported by it.
We have some basis, though granted it's mostly conjecture. Brimir laced into Shaitan's Gate a spell that grabs weapons and bring them into ZnT setting. Said spell was supposedly to be there 6,000 years ago grabbing items for Sasha to use. I doubt all Brimir got Sasha back then was primitive weapons if the Gate was parallel to Saito's Earth, so some measure of timey-wimey stuff probably had happened which allowed him to grab some advanced stuff.
Alternatively, Brimir is that much of a magnificent bastard in planning he knows in >insert number[ thousand years destiny will bring one of his Void heirs a Gandalfr from Earth, and all the stuff stolen from Earth was for this one time period right when humanity's backs are against the wall with the Windstone Catastrophe coming up. I think my former theory of "time-flexible spells" is a tad more plausible than this one ^^;
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Felix3D said:
That's not what I call a real "Basis". At least for the weapons and so on, there's nothing explicitly stated in canon that supports this theory, no?

Yes, it could be cool/better if it was such and if Sasha was using machine guns, but there is a lack of concrete information of such. So far, this statement and theory is still mainly Fanon, and not pure canon. It's Canon Compliant, but not "Canon". That being said, which volumes and chapters go into more detail about the Shaitan's Gate spell? Since I finally got my hands on some of the Japanese Raws, I'd like to look at the source material for more clues. (Here's hoping I can figure out how to work my image-to-text converter program)
Hence my emphasis on the word "some", and the addendum "mostly conjecture" ^^;
Anyway, since we're probably getting off topic, further discussion on this in the LN thread, yes?
Will do, if anyone else wants to discuss this further. I'm willing to instead just drop this line of thought and wait for when the world tree assault finally happens in this story.
 
Flere821 said:
Hence my emphasis on the word "some", and the addendum "mostly conjecture" ^^;

Will do, if anyone else wants to discuss this further. I'm willing to instead just drop this line of thought and wait for when the world tree assault finally happens in this story.
Well, the next Kirito related snip won't be until the day before the assault, I still have to catch up with Asuna since she's nearly a week behind!
 
Triggerhappy said:
Also, I'm having fun imagining the bullshit explanations he'd give for his superhuman fighting ability while using his human disguise. :p
All-Star Superman does this is an interesting/amusing way—one issue has Clark Kent in the middle of a breakout at a prison while interviewing Lex Luthor, and he repeatedly uses his powers to shut parts of it down without anyone noticing.
 
Next snip will introduce some fun Albionian mythology that's going to come round to bite reconquista in the ass.
 
Yay! Legends about spirits protecting the royal family, and the land, from war!
When can we expect it, btw.
 
Vaermina said:
For some reason that makes me think of the Island of Avalon.
I'm not actually looking at any particular Myths and its planned to be a short little snip which might explain why the Royalists will be a little more inclined to like Asuna and the rest of the ALO players.
 
Triggerhappy said:
I'm not actually looking at any particular Myths and its planned to be a short little snip which might explain why the Royalists will be a little more inclined to like Asuna and the rest of the ALO players.
Hmm, considering Fae play a huge part in Irish and Errr, British Mythology. I think they would have some kind of precedent to use to deal with fairies.
 
Well, its actually what you get when nobody bothered to stamp out the local folktales and they kind of got mixed in with the Brimiric faith for the last 6000 odd years whlie the Church finally just says "Fuck it, close enough."

Nobody in power takes them seriously, but hey, they give the commoners and lower nobility funny ideas.
 
Triggerhappy said:
Well, its actually what you get when nobody bothered to stamp out the local folktales and they kind of got mixed in with the Brimiric faith for the last 6000 odd years whlie the Church finally just says "Fuck it, close enough."

Nobody in power takes them seriously, but hey, they give the commoners and lower nobility funny ideas.
Well, I take it Cold Iron and making deals with Fae are a part of the mythology here?
 
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It's a short snip. Yay! Really it was meant to go with something else, but I'd thought I'd put it on its own. I'm honestly not sure if I got this mythology thing right. Also don't know if I've conflicted with Canon.

Halkegenia Online- Chapter 6 – Part 4

And so it came to be that that Ve, the Son of Air, the third and youngest son of the Founder Brimir, found himself traveling along the coast of the lands of his elder brothers in great admiration of their conquests. With much love and gratitude for his part in their success, both of the Elder brothers did offer to share their fortunes with their youngest sibling, offering five times, gold, silver, and and vast lands, only to be declined five times with great apology by Ve.

The youngest son, not yet settled in his heart, set outward along the sea side, journeying many days on foot with only the company of a hunting dog and his bow, as was his way since his earliest years. On the first day he journeyed well with fare weather, but with each passing day his fortunes grew bitter, on the seventh day the weather turned dark and stormy and on the tenth his faithful hound was slain by wolves. Without friend or comfort he drove on, each crest of the hill and curve of the coast offering only bitter misfortune.

By the fifteenth day, Ve had fallen sick from the sleepless nights and cold rain, surviving only by strength of heart and will. Finally, on the seventeenth day he was besot by wild beasts, and though he slew many of the creatures by arrow and by magic, the blessed focus, his bow, a gift from his father and mother, was shattered and the son Ve was forced to flee, weeping bitterly at his loss.

Now truly alone, having left behind his brothers, and lost his trusted companions, the Son Ve continued along the seaside, taking each of his misfortunes as a sign from his father to press onward. For though he could have died, still he lived.

Finally, on the twenty first day, he came upon a small village, the first he had met in these wild lands, and on the shores of the sea he was confronted by a number of savage men in the midst of stoning a hag.

Ve, the good son of his father and mother, was fast to anger on seeing the treatment of the woman. "Halt, for what man would strike a woman of such years without cause! Are you so fallen as to forget the affection of your own mothers?" He cried, and though his bow was broken, the Son of Brimir had with much care carved the longest piece of his shattered companion into a wand of great power, though paling before his mother's work, with which to defend himself.

The men, who were of Savage stock had regard Ve and cried out. "Five days has this hag begged alms from us, and five days we have declined. There is not but fish to be had in these lands and with bitter storms not much of that. The Spirit of the Sea has hounded us for years. You see us as cruel men, but would you ask us to leave her starve? We must feed our own mothers and children!"

Seeing the sorrow in the eyes of the men the Son Ve's heart was softened by their plight. Offering his aid, he received news of the Sea Spirit, a dervish thing of winds and icy salt spray that haunted the coasts and drove up great storms whenever the men of the lands did set out to fish. Like all the Savage peoples, the men knew not of magic, be it of earth, fire, air, or water, and had suffered the Spirits abuses with no reprieve.

The Son Ve, Son of Brimir, did vow to see an end to this cruelty on the part of the Spirit at which the Hag had supplicated herself before him, pleading for his aid. She told the story that the Sea Spirit had one day spied her daughter as he ravaged the coasts and had spirited the girl away as a bride. Since that day, the hag had journeyed far and wide, seeking amongst the men of the land, one who would grant her passage to confront of the Spirit and rescue her daughter. The woman pleaded that she had little to offer but her labor with which to pay for her daughter's rescue.

Moved by the woman's words, Ve accepted her as his companion on his journey, and with the blessings of the men of the village set forth onto the sea. Taking a sturdy fisherman's boat, they set out from the coast and for the first day the wind did favor them as the hag took to rigging the sail and Ve kept watch for the Spirit.

It was not long before the ocean sprays grew bitter and the clouds leaden, the winds ceased to favor Ve and his companion and the storm did rise forth from the depths. The Sea Spirit arose, its arms two great waves, its chest a great vortex of mist, and its tail tortured ice, it roared down upon the small boat, pressing against it to drive it benath the waves.

The Son of Air fought back valiantly with all the might and wisdom inherited from the Founder himself. He did battle for three days and nights, the hag struggling at his side to hold their them steady lest they be dashed against rocks or swallowed by the Spirit's sweeping arms. On the third day, Ve drove the Spirit towards land, where its powers of water would wane and the battle would be one of Air alone.

The Spirit was weakened but even so this was not enough, exhausted by battle, Ve was cast overboard and pulled into the sea, but by the blessings of Air bequeathed upon him by his Father, the founder Brimir, did Ve cast a spell to save himself from drowning.

Pulled by the icy currents of the Spirit's great body, Ve was confronted by the Spirit's heart, four icy chambers that throbbed with cold brine, and hung before it like a jewel, still but alive, drifted a girl of immeasurable beauty, pale and dark haired as if of savage blood, but of noble countenance. Knowing her to be the hag's daughter, the sun Ve swam against the currents. The Spirit, knowing of mortal heroes, guarded its heart, but the heart was not the Son Ve's goal. Snatching up the girl he pulled her from the Spirit's grasp and struggled for the surface.

No sooner did his head burst from the sea than the Hag, struggling to hold their boat steady, threw out a pole and called for Ve to grab hold. Exhausted at last, the Son of Brimir spent the last of his strength to throw the girl aboard the boat and called for the hag to depart.

The Spirit rose above him, enraged by the loss of its prize, its wrath was redoubled, its screams like the cries of a great storm. At the last instant, as the Spirit drove him beneath the waves once more, the Son Ve did hear a great shout and craning his head did he see the Hag casting away her cloak. Her posture straight, her weathered skin turned to ivory and her eyes flecked gold, dark hair billowing about her and great wings of gossamer spreading from her back.

The woman called out in a voice like a bell and her wings like great fans summoned forth the winds to her aid, driving the spirit against the shore and breaking its body against the cliffs of the coast. Not one moment passed before she leaped into the sea after Ve and took him to her breast, pulling him back aboard the boat and breathing life back into his body.

The hag, now revealed as a striking woman humbly bowed before the Son of Brimir, introducing herself as so. "Son of Man and Woman and child under God, thanks be to you for your part in preserving the life of my youngest daughter, I am Medb, the Faerie Queen, and in so much as I have promised my labor, I shall grant you three boons for your part in saving my daughter from the transgressions of the Sea Spirit who surely would have slain her if he had known that I had come for her myself or sent a hero to rescue her."

The Faerie Queen, in her fashion, did present Ve with three gifts. The first great boon presented to Ve were the riches swallowed by the Sea Spirit in its long rampage, much gold from sunken ships and small mountains of pearls and beautiful sea stones. The next boon was the hand in marriage of the Queen's youngest daughter, the Faerie Princess Lorelei, who was sworn to stay at his side until the end of his days. Finally, Queen Medb did as a final boon offer forth the lowest domain of her realm, Albion, the White Isle to be held henceforth by the blood of Ve from that day forth to the end of all things.

The Son Ve was about to humbly decline the Queen's gifts, still wishing to journey further when the Princess Lorelei's eyes first fluttered open and settled upon him. At that time, the restless heart of Brimir's youngest son was settled by the pure gaze of the girl, and immediately charmed, Ve accepted Medb's offer in all humbleness, swearing an oath before his Father and God and accepting the sacred compact of marriage between himself and Lorelei.

Upon surveying his new lands for the first time, the youngest son of Brimir was stricken by wonder. The floating isle, shrouded in mist was truly what he had sought. Returning to his brothers with news of his fortunes and proudly presenting his bride, the elder brothers rejoiced, and in the name of their Father, the eldest brother, Odin, lord of the Southern Kingdom, crowned Ve as King of Albion with Lorelei as his queen.

So forth from that day did Ve rule wisely over the Kingdom of Albion, offering his lands as home to the people scattered by the rampage of the Sea Spirit and siring his bloodline to establish the House of Air. The Princess Lorelei, now Ve's Queen, true to her mother's word, was faithful to Ve to the end of his life, bearing his eldest son and fine twin daughters who would carry forth his line and forever bind the line of the Faerie Queen with much affection to the rightful masters of the White Isle
 
Considering we have jack all on the creation myths of Albion from ZnT LNs, you don't have to worry about contradicting canon. The most we got was a hypothesis Albion formed before even Brimir's time, when the previous Windstone Catastrophe broke the continent of Halk up and a giant piece stayed afloat to this day.
 
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