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Halkegenia Online Thread 6 - //"Pixies!"\\

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scope said:
...Wasn't it mentioned that he was the same guy that attacked Heathcliff when he was revealed? He didn't age well it seems.
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He did however take multiple levels in badass during SAO and was apparently a decent human being (if still a bit of an idiot). And hey by 2024 he'd be well into his thirties. Also, different art styles. The alternative is that Karin and Marianne are absurdly hot MILFs for women pushing fifty.

Then again, this something I plan to play with for gags. Because a bedridden Karin with her hair down (and still suffering from the effect of Mana Potion - Dere Extra) being mistaken for Cattleya by someone whose never met either would be hilarious.

Also, I guess it might not be much of a hint but it was mentioned that Arguile had given Cromwell his proper name, but it wasn't revealed at the time because Cromwell preferred to call him Arguile. Considering my tendency to name almost EVERYONE.
 
Triggerhappy said:
He did however take multiple levels in badass during SAO and was apparently a decent human being (if still a bit of an idiot). And hey by 2024 he'd be well into his thirties.

Also, I guess it might not be much of a hint but it was mentioned that Arguile had given Cromwell his proper name, but it wasn't revealed at the time because Cromwell preferred to call him Arguile. Considering my tendency to name almost EVERYONE.
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He's 17 years old by 2004 which is the year ZnT canon began. In 2024 he would be 37.
 
Damn, ninja'd by Canon from the main author in the very next post.

oh well. Hopefully someone will see it.

Also: HOLY FLYING JELLYFISH TUNA

Did not see it coming TH.

Mind = Blown
 
Wow, that was a nice twist.

FFN's going to have their minds blown when this chapter goes up, aren't they?
 
Alectai said:
Wow, that was a nice twist.

FFN's going to have their minds blown when this chapter goes up, aren't they?
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It was mostly meant to dick with the People on FF.net who kept asking when Saito was going to show up . . .

Although in a way, this does prove that Saito had the potential to be a fairly decent person given a few more years to grow out of the condition known as being a fucking teenager. Although again, apparently not much smarter.
 
Triggerhappy said:
"Arguile" - Hiraga Saito - Knight of Aincrad - Guild Member Knights of Blood
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My mind...


Well played man, well played.
linkhyrule5 said:
Dansa med oss, klappa era hander...
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Watch as Halkegenia falls to a Keter-class memetic threat so powerful that not even the Elves could stop it... and to their horror, they don't want to.
Triggerhappy said:
Then again, this something I plan to play with for gags. Because a bedridden Karin with her hair down (and still suffering from the effect of Mana Potion - Dere Extra) being mistaken for Cattleya by someone whose never met either would be hilarious.

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Hnnnnnnnn-

*LGear.exe has shut down due to system error. Abort, Retry, Reboot?*
 
Ok so ive been toying around with writing a omake snip were free zombie aki visits the gravestone and then gets caught by caramella.

But ive been in a bit of a corner, because im not sure how caramella would react.

I mean as far as we know, she thinks the aki zombie is definitely truly gone. This assumes free aki hasnt (yet?) simply openly surrenders to the faerylords somewhere but is still hidden. Now if caramella catches a cloaked figure sneaking in there and talk to akis grave, overhearing something along the line of wanting to be something aki could be proud of, and then sees who/what it is. How would she react?
Attack? Disbelief? Scream/call for help? Actually talk?
 
... OK, maybe it's just because I'm a bit of a latecomer that I missed out on the explanation, but what's up with all the Dunwell hate?

I mean, yeah. He's a recurring Enemy Ace. But it's not like he's unsympathetic. The man's haunted by actions, and is trying to do what he thinks is right. At the same time, he really doesn't want to die as a 'Double Traitor'. On top of that, he's trying to believe in the Cause, but even then his interactions with Cromwell and the Zae are making it really clear that he's not buying the party line anymore.

The way I see it, there's even a couple of good reasons why hasn't just gone flown over the edge of Albion and fled to anywhere else with his dragon companion.

One, is that he's kinda majorly injured right now. He needs time to heal and recover, before making an exhaustive and dangerous flight across the continent.

Two, is that he's trying to steer the revolution in as good a way as he can, from the inside. Sure, he can't outright stop Cromwell from making necromantic abominations, but he can at least try to protect the guys under his command from falling under the nastier commanders, stopping atrocities where he can, and trying to keep the general corruption among the leadership to a minimum. Like Suzakku, except less of a dumb ass hypocrite.

Reason number three? Well, if you were known for striking down a prince and becoming a major figure in a rebellion lead by a man nuttier than a bowl of peanuts, it could, just maybe, influence your chances of employment across the continent. Not to mention leaving such an auspicious organisation as Reconquista generally brings along severance package that will do it's best to murder you.

And finally, number four. Remember how Cromwell got his magic ring, oodles of funding, and fancy new cannons? Yeah, Dunwell doesn't know where they came from, and wants to find out. He's even tracked them back to Gallia. Well, he hasn't tracked the ring because he hasn't made that connection yet, but still. And he's not doing this for his health. He wants to know who the hell are the master minds behind this revolution. Because, as hilarious as it seems, Cromwell doesn't really seem like the chief architect here.

I mean, he's a competent leader and a really good mage. What sin has he commited here?
 
From lines like this.
Just for that, I won't be twisting Dun and Crom's little necks, twisted enough as it is already, into a tightly wound string.
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I mean, on the occasions I poke my head in here, I generally see some sort of comment on how he's too powerful, too smart, too lucky. Why, it's almost like he's a protagonist, only on the bad guy's side.

In any case, it just seemed that way to me.

I don't always poke my head and comment uninvited, but when I do, it seems to be about an issue that's already been resolved.
 
shaderic said:
From lines like this.


I mean, on the occasions I poke my head in here, I generally see some sort of comment on how he's too powerful, too smart, too lucky. Why, it's almost like he's a protagonist, only on the bad guy's side.

In any case, it just seemed that way to me.

I don't always poke my head and comment uninvited, but when I do, it seems to be about an issue that's already been resolved.
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Yeah going to have to agree here you really should read the older threads for this one seeing as that is a touchy subject here.
 
Archons said:
*sigh* I wonder if FF.net users will ever grasp the concept that not every fic has to be a reskinned version of canon? I guarantee there are at least a half dozen comments going on about how Saito is "obviously" going to be resurrected by Tiffania and become Louise's familiar :mad:
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...Yes, because your narrow, purposefully idiotic stereotype of them totally encapsulates all users of that site. Lead them out of their depravity oh wise and mighty denizen of Space Battles. I am sure that you are a far more mature individual than any of the users of that dirty little site. After all, you spend time on a public forum.

Seriously, there are some extremely talented authors who use nothing but that site (I am not counting myself among those by any means, so don't bother with that one) and plenty of extremely original and well written stories. Similarly there are plenty among the readers who are impressive in their conduct. The only complaint I can think of is that there can be a lot of tat to wade through in places, which seems a bizarre complaint given that this is the internet. Making that like complaining about the ocean being wet.
shaderic said:
... OK, maybe it's just because I'm a bit of a latecomer that I missed out on the explanation, but what's up with all the Dunwell hate?

I mean, yeah. He's a recurring Enemy Ace. But it's not like he's unsympathetic. The man's haunted by actions, and is trying to do what he thinks is right. At the same time, he really doesn't want to die as a 'Double Traitor'. On top of that, he's trying to believe in the Cause, but even then his interactions with Cromwell and the Zae are making it really clear that he's not buying the party line anymore.

The way I see it, there's even a couple of good reasons why hasn't just gone flown over the edge of Albion and fled to anywhere else with his dragon companion.

One, is that he's kinda majorly injured right now. He needs time to heal and recover, before making an exhaustive and dangerous flight across the continent.

Two, is that he's trying to steer the revolution in as good a way as he can, from the inside. Sure, he can't outright stop Cromwell from making necromantic abominations, but he can at least try to protect the guys under his command from falling under the nastier commanders, stopping atrocities where he can, and trying to keep the general corruption among the leadership to a minimum. Like Suzakku, except less of a dumb ass hypocrite.

Reason number three? Well, if you were known for striking down a prince and becoming a major figure in a rebellion lead by a man nuttier than a bowl of peanuts, it could, just maybe, influence your chances of employment across the continent. Not to mention leaving such an auspicious organisation as Reconquista generally brings along severance package that will do it's best to murder you.

And finally, number four. Remember how Cromwell got his magic ring, oodles of funding, and fancy new cannons? Yeah, Dunwell doesn't know where they came from, and wants to find out. He's even tracked them back to Gallia. Well, he hasn't tracked the ring because he hasn't made that connection yet, but still. And he's not doing this for his health. He wants to know who the hell are the master minds behind this revolution. Because, as hilarious as it seems, Cromwell doesn't really seem like the chief architect here.

I mean, he's a competent leader and a really good mage. What sin has he commited here?
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What Dunwell hate?

As a character I think most people would agree that he is an interesting and sympathetic antagonist. Sure he is hated as an in universe thing but he is in fact an antagonist.

You are not meant to like antagonists, that is included in the definition of the word. The whole point is that they are an opposing number to the protagonists, as such an antagonist is in no way meant to be the same as a protagonist but on the other side.

In universe I would argue that Dunwell makes a lot of mistakes, holds himself as righteous while mostly just being self-righteous and seems hilariously bad at manoeuvring on his own initiative. Not to mention that either he has little real caring for the common people or he simply is unbelievably short sighted and has for some reason not considered the implications of the mysterious backers he is looking for even existing.
Which works, if he was meant to be an anti-villain (as you suggest) than he would have been a very different character from the moment we see him, his reactions to stuff like the mages attacking that town would have been different and so on and so forth.

It is true that there are complaints (on the subject of which, when exactly did that become a terrible thing? professional writers make mistakes large, small and gargantuan yet TH is not allowed to do so? That's a ridiculously unrealistic expectation to have) about him, his skill seeming a bit forced at times (batman deduction and survival being the only real examples that spring to mind, given the established fact of experienced Halk fighters being superior due to that real battle experience) but I would say that is simply an overall aspect of Th's writing which occasionally shows through. Namely a tendency towards telling instead of showing, with an event not fully making sense. It's hardly an issue with the character itself.

As to your list,. mostly this is restating stuff that everyone already knows. None of which makes any difference as to people's dislike of him. I'm not sure if anyone else has even stated the idea of him leaving Albion to seek new employment. Again he is not a protagonist and shouldn't be acting like one.
 
Anzer'ke said:
It is true that there are complaints (on the subject of which, when exactly did that become a terrible thing? professional writers make mistakes large, small and gargantuan yet TH is not allowed to do so?
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Actually with regards to Dunwell it's because flame wars keep cropping up (Remember thread 4?) and people keep bringing up the same retarded points even after TH has already addressed them
 
He tended to come off as being hyper-competent beyond all reason without the benefit of hindsight and context--when a character is professional to the point where nothing really gives them pause, they tend to give off the impression of being under control of the situation when they really aren't.

And that is all I have to say on the matter.
 
Anzer'ke said:
What Dunwell hate?

As a character I think most people would agree that he is an interesting and sympathetic antagonist. Sure he is hated as an in universe thing but he is in fact an antagonist.

You are not meant to like antagonists, that is included in the definition of the word. The whole point is that they are an opposing number to the protagonists, as such an antagonist is in no way meant to be the same as a protagonist but on the other side.
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Why is this?
In universe I would argue that Dunwell makes a lot of mistakes, holds himself as righteous while mostly just being self-righteous and seems hilariously bad at manoeuvring on his own initiative. Not to mention that either he has little real caring for the common people or he simply is unbelievably short sighted and has for some reason not considered the implications of the mysterious backers he is looking for even existing.
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What type of bullshit are you talking about?

I mean it's like you're forgetting that the whole reason he backstabbed his prince was becasue his prince went off the deep end and decided they were going to let the capital starve to death through the winter and commit to a scorched earth campaign while winter was coming.

Not to mention he feels guilt over running the Fae down after find them out to be civilians when they were really unregistered combatants (they have been raiding Recon forces) and retreating with the enemy VIP.
As to your list,. mostly this is restating stuff that everyone already knows. None of which makes any difference as to people's dislike of him. I'm not sure if anyone else has even stated the idea of him leaving Albion to seek new employment. Again he is not a protagonist and shouldn't be acting like one.
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What do you mean about this?
 
Reminder: Dunwell (as with all character) hate falls under Class S.

Please move this to PM or wrap it up nowish.
 
Zaiaku said:
people like canonSaito?
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Yeah that was my first question as well, I guess it depends on which version of Saito we are going with Anime Saito I could give 2 shits about seeing as he is your standard Anime Harem hero type, while Light Novel Saito was a little better given that he endured a whole lot more shit and there was little to no use of the reset button when it came to his relationship with Louise, hmmmm I guess it all depends on which version they are more familiar with.
 
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