Halkegenia Online Thread 6 - //"Pixies!"\\

Onel said:
1) Either they were born Void mages, or they became so at a young age. All of them started practicing at a young age, while Vittorio was discovered as a baby/child. When one of them dies, it transfers to someone else.

2) Volume 10. The elves mention that Shaitan's Gate has become more active, which is why they know the Void has appeared. There's apparently long periods of inactivity, with shorter periods of activity, And it's been mentioned that while there have been multiple Void mages at one time, never have all four been present in history,

3) Other way around. Void magic stops people from using the elements. Joseph and Louise both suffered discrimination due to that fact, while Tiffania could never learn what her parents tried to teach her. Josette was sent to a convent as a baby, and was never taught to use magic at all, so her ability to use magic, if any, before she inherited the Gallian Void is unknown. For all we know, she could have been as talented as Tabitha.

4) Vittorio was also 17/18 at the time, while Mazarin was older and more experienced. Just because he was raised for the position, doesn't mean he was ready for the position. And the reason his mother stole the ring was because the Church had discovered he was a Void mage, and she tried to avert the fate of a Void mage by stealing the ring. Vittorio was then raised/groomed by the Church, and ended up with the ring anyway. And yes, Colbert was unaware of it's status.
 
The reunion at Dicey Cafe HalO version, didn't think it'd happen. Do like the neat little changes though, like some conversations leading to different subjects.

Kino being a Silica fan, I do approve :D

Do hope Thinker and Yulier made it though, you'd think they'd be invited to given their status. Or perhaps they were but couldn't make it due to their responsibilities.
 
Fuuu... sick, wants to draw Aki, but I have a Russian to draw, and a story-writing assignment to get on with. And I still have writer's block. Fuck.

Anyways, now I feel a bit of warm fuzz at Kino possibly striking up a love with Silica. Ike, shounen.

*Pulls out the Kino x Silica ship from dry dock and into the water.*

Ship them, you know you want to.
 
Exsequens said:
I'm not Joseph level of apathetic yet. ~ :(

Did some researching a bit between prepping a presentation, I guess it is exclusive. Dayum, no matter.

BTW, just asking before I go writing something in my free time (That isn't spent on practicing how to draw two people fighting.), what are the possibilities that some Pixie Gardens may not have fared as well as the situation in Tarbes? (As in, awareness raised, realizing Pixies are capable of reasoning, not going around thinking to destroy Pixie Gardens so and so.) Are there possibly some which may have been destroyed by human intervention prior to some Pixie Protection Laws being passed?
Doubtful, most Gardens are simply not going to have been discovered yet. And Tarbes was comparatively tame mob wise.
 
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Reunion... without Caramela meeting Thinker and Yulier...
:(:(:(
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It's first official HalkO snip that made me with for dislike button...
:(:(:(
And all I wanted is to note that I wish to see that reunion before reading snip :(
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Yes, I know that they are busy... and so is Argo who's there.

*hopes that snip will be continued from the moment it stopped, because I WANT TO SEE THAT DAMN IT*

PS. Klein's guild being half memebers is sad too, but *sigh*
 
Faraway-R said:
Thinker and Yulier were too busy to come. Fae Lords, duh.
I doubt they are more busy than Argo.
Zaiaku said:
The last one was bound to happen, I'm sad to say.
Not necessarily. SAO group did a good split to cover every race possible so before they absence on "everybody's meeting" it could been that in time of transition they just were in different race capital than Klein and two others.
 
The Final snips are in, yay!!

Looks like Asuna is still resting quite a bit, though she's said to be recovered... So maybe she's just learning a lot every day I suppose, that can cause people to sleep substantially more.

Also I see Kino suffered a critical sugar overload, he might need treatment by Yui soon.
LGear said:
As to the problem of the Windstone Crisis... you know, the Fae are not going to be as bound by the Church's edicts as the rest of Halkegenia is despite the treaty, since while they're not supposed to blaspheme or antagonize the Church, they're not really as subservient to it either. Thus. who here thinks that if the Windstone Crisis is real and inevitable, that the Fae are going to propose the most obvious solution to them and just go to Halk's version of the Americas? Well, they need to find out if there is a continent on the place where it should be, but still...
I'm not entirely sure how much going to another continent would help in this case, I went and calculated the power release of 1 cubic kilometer of rock falling down to Earth from about 5 km (Minus air resistance, but hey, how much will air stop something that big anyway?) and got a figure equivalent to 32 MT of TNT.

And that's just 1 cubic kilometer, the stuff going to be lifted up is going to be much much larger then that. A big mountain can easily be 100s of cubic kilometer, and thus if it fell from such a height could exceed 10 GT on impact. (By rough guesstimation from Mt Helens, that's the amount of energy a super volcano releases thermally, except this does it almost instantaneously, while a super volcano spreads it out over days) I don't even really want to know how much material that would pump in to the stratosphere, never mind the terrors something like that would bring if it fell in to a sea or ocean. And for all we know, that wouldn't be even close to the largest continuous piece that might fall down in more or less one piece.

This could very easily turn out to be an Extinction Level Event. (ELE) And should at the least be an extreme world wide cataclysm.

(I'm pretty sure this has been discussed before once, albeit perhaps with out an actual number put to the energy release)
 
Exsequens said:
Fuuu... sick, wants to draw Aki, but I have a Russian to draw, and a story-writing assignment to get on with. And I still have writer's block. Fuck.

Anyways, now I feel a bit of warm fuzz at Kino possibly striking up a love with Silica. Ike, shounen.

*Pulls out the Kino x Silica ship from dry dock and into the water.*

Ship them, you know you want to.
If you have writers block, just start describing a scene. doesn't have to have a plot idea, just a scene, and the story will flow from there. It's the best way to get into it, you just describe the area, and eventually, you'll find yourself writing an idea you didn't know you had.
 
Quickshot0 said:
This could very easily turn out to be an Extinction Level Event. (ELE) And should at the least be an extreme world wide cataclysm.

(I'm pretty sure this has been discussed before once, albeit perhaps with out an actual number put to the energy release)
Actually no, the actual energy levels haven't been discussed before, but the Windstone Crisis has. If it is a worldwide extinction event, you'd think that the Elves would care a bit more since they'll also feel the effects if what you're saying is true. Unless the Elves don't know, or know but see that it won't be a problem, or know and are just complacent.

It'd also mean that anything Vittorio does is practically pointless: even if they reclaim the Holy Land, they'll all go extinct anyway.
 
al103 said:
I doubt they are more busy than Argo.
I tend to disagree. Argo is in self employment that mean she can do herself a holiday whenever she wants. Ofc when she don't work she don't earn money, but it doesn't mean she have to do her work 24h/day.
The second reason is that she is a "Spymaster". As for now Reconquista is in disarray and try to recover from the blow Tristan and fairies dealt to them. That's why all she need to do now is send few people in to listen/spy-on-them and wait for their reports. She is not a fairy lord that need to keep commanding every single fea what to do.

What Argo do now is :
1. Collecting information about Halkegina
-About neighbors countries, their policies, power and if they can be of danger to the fairies/Tristan.
- Reconquista, their possible plans and how they might try to stab them.
- More information about why and how Reconquista managed to become power that they are today (Argo might learn about miss deeds of Wales Father, or figure it out that some greater power is backing Reconquista)

2. About Tristanian nobles.
- checking if one don't try to abuse their power to harm fairies.
- or if they are ploting against fairies/Royal Family.
- Checking who is trustworthy and who is not (because of Wardes)

3. About Pixies
- Trabers arc.

4. About dangerous Fairies individuals.
- Don't want to have repetition of Laughing Coffin incident.

5. All other, less important stuff.

I hope I didn't forget about anything important.
 
LGear said:
Actually no, the actual energy levels haven't been discussed before, but the Windstone Crisis has. If it is a worldwide extinction event, you'd think that the Elves would care a bit more since they'll also feel the effects if what you're saying is true. Unless the Elves don't know, or know but see that it won't be a problem, or know and are just complacent.

It'd also mean that anything Vittorio does is practically pointless: even if they reclaim the Holy Land, they'll all go extinct anyway.
I doubt the Elves even if they know, really comprehend the danger of the situation. They're at something like mid-19th century knowledge levels it seems. Back then if you brought something up like this, they wouldn't have really comprehended how far the destruction and danger could spread. People didn't really take the danger of big falling rocks all to seriously until they heard about the one that did in the Dinosaurs, before that even scientists didn't think they were quite 'that' dangerous. (As such even Earth only really internalised the real danger posed in the mid 20th century) As such they most likely see it as a problem for the humans only. The same is only more true for Vittorio, he doesn't even have close to the knowledge level to realise the full implications.


Basically only a knowledgeable Faerie would immediately realise just how cataclysmically dangerous this event could really be.
 
Could it be fixed with what we saw of void dispel? I mean that seemed to take out all magic in quite the area... So can we dig a few shafts down, have a voidmage chant up a however-big-it-will-get dispel at the bottom of each?
Even if thats only a delaying tactic, this could be much easier than actually trying to pull out the windstones.

Even if we cant rig up a full void (all four etc.) ritual to fix it at a continental scale, if this has been building up over thousands of years than even small mesures might delay by decades.

Creatiing a continent spanning massive mining operation in afew years may be beyond the fae. Rigging up a way to dig a few temporary shafts down so you can cast a ritual at the bottom of each could be much easier.
 
Xexilf said:
Could it be fixed with what we saw of void dispel? I mean that seemed to take out all magic in quite the area... So can we dig a few shafts down, have a voidmage chant up a however-big-it-will-get dispel at the bottom of each?
Even if thats only a delaying tactic, this could be much easier than actually trying to pull out the windstones.

Even if we cant rig up a full void (all four etc.) ritual to fix it at a continental scale, if this has been building up over thousands of years than even small mesures might delay by decades.

Creatiing a continent spanning massive mining operation in afew years may be beyond the fae. Rigging up a way to dig a few temporary shafts down so you can cast a ritual at the bottom of each could be much easier.
1st, does windstones are magic? in sense like first born magical? It is even dispell able? It might be just as magical as for example Mithril is. And Void mage dispelling shit out of fea armor seems quite overpowerd.


Also That makes me think, Where does all that dispelled magic goes? After all everything in nature have its purpose.
 
Quickshot0 said:
I doubt the Elves even if they know, really comprehend the danger of the situation. They're at something like mid-19th century knowledge levels it seems. Back then if you brought something up like this, they wouldn't have really comprehended how far the destruction and danger could spread. People didn't really take the danger of big falling rocks all to seriously until they heard about the one that did in the Dinosaurs, before that even scientists didn't think they were quite 'that' dangerous. (As such even Earth only really internalised the real danger posed in the mid 20th century) As such they most likely see it as a problem for the humans only. The same is only more true for Vittorio, he doesn't even have close to the knowledge level to realise the full implications.


Basically only a knowledgeable Faerie would immediately realise just how cataclysmically dangerous this event could really be.
Yeah, this is the explanation I've been running on ever since I first heard about the Windstone Catastrophe. Never mind the rocks falling, even. Imagine all the friction generated as they rise. Imagine what bodies that size will do to the air currents, about changing albedo as dust particulates clog the air, and cloaking the world in a haze out of the imagined nightmares of nuclear winter.

The further destruction caused by the rocks falling down again is just a bomb dropped (from a very great height) on the already cold and mangled corpse of Halkegenia.
 
I'm curious as to how the genocide spell is supposed to work. It is just huge explosion? (unlikely) Or does it cause every member of the targeted race to keel over dead/turn into pillars of ash etc?
 
Triggerhappy said:
I'm curious as to how the genocide spell is supposed to work. It is just huge explosion? (unlikely) Or does it cause every member of the targeted race to keel over dead/turn into pillars of ash etc?
Probably that but it would be funny if the genocide spell actually causes all the elves to be sent to our world
 
Sinsystems said:
Probably that but it would be funny if the genocide spell actually causes all the elves to be sent to our world
Funny but unlikely, the genocide spell was used at least once in brimirs time against some other race that threatend humanity and the elves.
Something like that showing up on earth in force, even thousands of years ago, would most likely have left traces, if not taken over this otherwise magicless world.
 
Onel said:
3. We may have to agree to disagree on this one. We both believe that void magic and elemental magic do not stack, but while I believe that void magic seeks out those who have low potential ability in elemental magic, you believe that the void prevents elemental magic from forming in the first place. It all comes down to whether or not void magic is inherited at birth or later.
Your logic is flawed, regardless of if the magic comes at birth or not, it may still stop you from successfully using elemental magic. To start excluding that possibility, we would need to find a case of some one before they gained void magic, but still not being able to cast magic successfully. None of the debate up till now seems to come close to bringing such evidence though.

Secondly, all of these Void mages come from families that normally have powerful mages, actually they tend to produce some of the most powerful really. Considering Karin, Tabitha and Wales. Who I believe are all Triangle or higher. Based on this it wouldn't be hard to make an argument that the Void tends towards mages that are in potential strong elemental mages instead. It certainly would seem more logical considering their pedigree atleast.

As such, I find your position on the void choosing magical failures by preference to be on the weak side. Though admittedly there doesn't seem to be any evidence to exclude it.
Perhaps, but the matter is actually a little more complicated. The pieces only come down when their load of windstone is no longer sufficient to hold them up, which is likely to be more gradual. Granted, falling even as slow as a feather would still be disastrous when dealting with a mountain, but the energy released at impact would be lower. That is why, in canon, it seems to be believed that just moving over to the land mass next door will be sufficient to survive the event. Also, for reasons as yet unrevealed in canon, it seems that the region of Halkegenia is the only known section of the world (in canon) that will have a windstone crisis.
Sure, it kind of depends on the exact way Windstones work, though I had been given the impression they just used up all their power and then just stopped. Thus why my estimate was worked out as given. If they came down more gently that would be a considerable boon and certainly help reduce the impact substantially. Maybe Flere or so would know more about this?
 
Xexilf said:
Funny but unlikely, the genocide spell was used at least once in brimirs time against some other race that threatend humanity and the elves.
Something like that showing up on earth in force, even thousands of years ago, would most likely have left traces, if not taken over this otherwise magicless world.
True so very true
 
Onel said:
1. I've generally viewed the matter as the second situation: the void chose people after they were born. Otherwise, how can one explain the situation of Joseph's niece, who was not a void mage until after his death. Or do you believe that there were five void mages at one time (ie: Joseph and Josette both being void mages, with Josette being untrained). That is the main stumbling block I have with accepting 'void mage since birth / conception', as there can never be more than four void mages at once (trained and untrained). In all honesty, at one time I was in the camp of 'void chooses a person at their birth / conception' - until the translations revealed that in at least one instance [Josette] this was apparently not the case. That she - in her mid teens - suddenly became a void mage, means that either there were more than four void mages at once or that she was chosen by the void over a decade after birth.

2. From what I recall of v10 the gate was becoming more active because void spells were being used again. And regarding never 'four at one time', again I have viewed that statement as four known (or active) void mages at one time. As an example, if Tiffania had not been discovered, then there would only have been three known void mages at the present time. This would not have meant that Tiffania was not a void mage, but rather that no one (even herself) would have been aware that there was a fourth (albeit untrained / inactive) void mage alive. But I'll double check the volume; its been a while since I read it.

3. We may have to agree to disagree on this one. We both believe that void magic and elemental magic do not stack, but while I believe that void magic seeks out those who have low potential ability in elemental magic, you believe that the void prevents elemental magic from forming in the first place. It all comes down to whether or not void magic is inherited at birth or later.

4. Okay, I can concede on this point. While I recalled that his mother was aware of the ring reacting to him, I had forgotten that others were aware of that fact prior to her leaving Romalia. I had thought that her leaving Romalia was to prevent others from learning that fact.
1) Personally, I think your looking at it the wrong way. Certain people are born with Void magic, but after their death, it transfers to the most suitable host available, overwriting/replacing their existing magic. Think of Void magic as an organ, and Josette receiving the Void as her receiving a transplant from Joseph.

2) Difference of opinion, I guess. Personally, considering the whole "destiny" thing, I think a Void mage is born to complete (a) certain task(s), and once that's done, it won't transfer after their death. It just so happens that something is happening that requires all four Void mages at the same time.

3) Yep. Personally, I like the idea that the Void's hosts are naturally extremely powerful/talented, and if they hadn't inherited the Void, they would all be Square mages.

4) Happens to everyone, don't worry about it.
Academic Guardian said:
Pretty much this. If we assume that Halk is the size of Europe then not only will the absolutely massive displacement of soil and earth cause worldwide global quakes the subsequent change in the overall climate of the world itself is under threat. The I think amount soil and dust that will be theoretically displaced by moving a continent upward far surpasses that of the Siberian Flats eruption during the Permian-Triassic period in which caused a total of 90% of all the worlds marine species and 76% of all terrestrial species died if we factor in rise, and the subsequent volcanic activity of the now thinner and very stressed soil that was left behind that will be sure to follow.

If McDongcopter thinks that the Windstone crisis is bad NOW, wait till the rock heads (geologists) among the Fae start telling what will REALLY happen if it proceeds. There is no safe haven aside from building orbital elevators or floating cities (Aincrad and Albion) and even then it will be iffy

Then of course everything starts falling...yeah ELE right there
A very quick and rough calculation made from stated sizes and the map says that Halkegenia is far smaller. About 1.4 million square kilometres, so about the size of Peru.

Also, I think I remember Flere saying that only half of Halkegenia would rise up/be destroyed, and that the projected death toll was 60-70% of the population. The rest would die to conflict, warfare, epidemics, famine etc etc. And while they might survive, it would be in a highly diminished and sad state, with their previous cultures/civilizations destroyed.
 
Gore17 said:
3) Yep. Personally, I like the idea that the Void's hosts are naturally extremely powerful/talented, and if they hadn't inherited the Void, they would all be Square mages.
This gives me the amusing image of Louise pulling a Rince Wind with her void affinity. "Get out!"
 
Academic Guardian said:
Pretty much this. If we assume that Halk is the size of Europe then not only will the absolutely massive displacement of soil and earth cause worldwide global quakes the subsequent change in the overall climate of the world itself is under threat. The I think amount soil and dust that will be theoretically displaced by moving a continent upward far surpasses that of the Siberian Flats eruption during the Permian-Triassic period in which caused a total of 90% of all the worlds marine species and 76% of all terrestrial species died if we factor in rise, and the subsequent volcanic activity of the now thinner and very stressed soil that was left behind that will be sure to follow.

If McDongcopter thinks that the Windstone crisis is bad NOW, wait till the rock heads (geologists) among the Fae start telling what will REALLY happen if it proceeds. There is no safe haven aside from building orbital elevators or floating cities (Aincrad and Albion) and even then it will be iffy

Then of course everything starts falling...yeah ELE right there
Or he could try to use the genocide spell across dimensions, and then use a Void Portal or the Gate to come to a now vacant Earth.
 
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