Hey, at least he tells us outright not to read his "stories."mdkcde said:
Halkegenia Online Thread 6 - //"Pixies!"\\
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It's a fair point, though it seems like you too didn't complete your fact checking entirely either, as seen in this page.Vaermina said:Directly from the wiki.
On a side note and this is not directed at you in particular Quickshot, I am getting very tired of being one of the few people who actually fact check things here. I mean seriously people it takes like 10 seconds to type what is being talked about into your search bar.
Anzer'ke
Anarchism Ho!
No, technology did these things. Mostly the greedy people just got in the way and tried to take credit.Academic Guardian said:
That said the thread has moved one and the topic is left, I'll stop talking about it and say that I for one agree with the statements by Aranfan and Jonen C.
I also think that if they're not willing to try and move on and take risks then they're gonna be pretty boned by the chaotic factors in all this, not to mention lose a lot of motivation due to spending decades just trying to rebuild what they/their parents once experienced and decided was better thanh any other option simply because it was familiar.
A lot of these guys are dreamers who wanted to make differences, this gives them just that chance and you think they'll just decide to play it safe? Dunkirk seemed a little counter to that mindset.
At first glance that would seem possible, but in reality I doubt it's the case. Other factors that in the past made people more successful and thus richer did not lead to this outcome. For instance on average smarter people (For instance high IQ) have more children then those that are less smart. There are probably a variety of reasons for this, including that rich people tend to have dalliances.Nerdfish said:
But as such it's probably more reasonable to expect the number of mages to increase over time. It should be noted how ever that to spread a particular factor over an entire population can take many thousands of years, if not tens of thousands of years. The exact time frame in part depending on how much it increases your survival rate, but even pretty strong factors will usually take thousands of years atleast. (Though diseases like Black Death at times can cause a spread to a large portion of a population in but a few generations admittedly)
Aranfan
Team Plasma Grunt
How much of that is "smarter people and more education means less kids" and how much of that is the system incentivizing against children is up to debate.Nerdfish said:
I don't believe this actually relates directly to smart and less smart people, you seem to be discussing extra factors.Nerdfish said:
Anzer'ke
Anarchism Ho!
It's worth pointing out that nobles generally tried to have as many children as possible because they were useful to have lots of. This would seem to hold for ZnT.
See every single noble family we know of, where either a parent is dead or they have a lot of kids. Gramonts have at least four, Valliere have three and so on and so forth.
Also, does anyone know Wales' brothers names? Also the time when Wales and Henrietta first met?
See every single noble family we know of, where either a parent is dead or they have a lot of kids. Gramonts have at least four, Valliere have three and so on and so forth.
Also, does anyone know Wales' brothers names? Also the time when Wales and Henrietta first met?
Aranfan
Team Plasma Grunt
Keep in mind that with water mages infant mortality will be lower.Felidae said:
Anzer'ke
Anarchism Ho!
Fair point but you see what I mean.Felidae said:
Also for the record, with fifteen/seventeen brothers and sisters and living in a modern western country personally, I would say that a lot remains about the same. While none of mine are full siblings the point remains that lots of people still have buttloads of kids.
Anzer'ke
Anarchism Ho!
For the nobles at least. Remember that one bit where the reconquista soldier was thinking on how he wanted to be able to save money for a water mage to help with the birth of his kids.Aranfan said:
It actually occurs that based on this kind of thinking stuff like the Fae providing medical care for all and the Pixies helping with animals, farming and mob control and so on...the Fae are gonna be Populer...Lar.
Also Tarbes is never gonna be short of reagents again, heck they'll have extra awesome ones from now on.
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Unless Reconquesta burns it to the ground to deprive Tristian of resources and Pixie troops.Anzer'ke said:
Given that the moment it's discovered that they are helping them in a fighting capacity that would be one of the military officers first orders and Tristian has little to no forces stationed there in defense I am not holding out much hope.
Two quick questions, Vaermina, one: is english your first language? I know it's probably a stupid question but I want to make sure. Second: just out of curiosity but do ALL your ideas and suggestion have to do with making things harder than they necessarily are?
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Did you forget the part in this fic where a single fire mage destroyed an entire pixie garden on his own without a single scratch? And do you honestly think for a moment Reconquista would be above sending a single fire mage if not an entire squad behind enemy lines to strike said gardens the moment it is discovered that Tristian is using pixies in a combat or support capacity?nitewind said:
So I suppose it's completely and utterly impossible for Tristian to have any defenders there to look after the garden given they're making use of its main defenders, huh?Vaermina said:
You haven't answered either of my questions Vaer.Vaermina said:
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Because it's not just the garden you would have to defend but the entire forest given the way fire works. And how do you defend a forest that is thousands of square kilometers from the actions of a single person? The manpower just to patrol the border would be staggering and it wouldn't stop a mage from sneaking in under the cover of being a commoner. And that doesn't even take into account how you plan to feed and house all these guards given that Tarbes is such a small village.Nervaqus987 said:
Tristian just doesn't have the manpower to protect the pixies if they enter the war given what a single mage can do to them, which was one of the reasons I was so against including them.
Tristian doesn't have radar, so they can only detect the things that they can visibly see. And a countries border is impossible to cover in that time period unless you are talking an island nation where the only ingress is through sea ports.Crate said:
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- Little Rock, AR
And this is not the modern day and we can't even secure our borders like that.Crate said:
Beside there version of radar is personel based.
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- Little Rock, AR
He's and Mage of undetermined affinity who has a talent for the manipulation of air to make fuckoff hot flames.Daeven Anell said:
Please remember 'fire' mages and 'water' mage only refers to affinities. any mage can use all the elements.
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Yes, but why would Reconquista bother with finding a wind mage that knows some fire magics when they could just send a fire mage?Daeven Anell said:
Given that the Butler sold some of them on the blackmarket yes. And we are talking about events in the future that TH has hinted at where Tristian uses the Pixies to attack Reconquista and or Galia.
Pixies in, sized scaled, giant robots.Vaermina said:
So firstly, Reconquista has to figure out that A) those are not superhumans or Fae, B) figure out they are more than just golems, and C) track down and destroy the Garden that is now home to Tristian's supply of POE-M pilots, which would be that very fact, be much more heavily defended than it is now.
Last I heard, TH was making them a thing, even if not as powerful as they were in the snips.KaPe said:
And if the Pixies aren't going to be in POE-Ms until much latter, that means that they'll primarily be in roles such as scouting or spying which means that they wont be a primary target for Reconquista who will, frankly, have far more important things to send mages after.
al103
Grumpy Russian Bear (SV edition)
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- Russia, Krasnoyarsk
As far as I know you are wrong here. They worked less hours in agriculture (and sometimes not even that), but it was compensated by working as much if not more in other areas - as they needed to do everything else too. Medieval peasants were very busy all 4 seasons - even winter was busy season to repair tools, make cutlery and furniture from wood and so on and on and on.Screwball said:
So they did work more than modern average, even though with "work or die" period they worked less.
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Hell, some farmers even in first world countries work more than 8h average even now.
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You do realize that A) POE-M as created by TH are not a state secret, and B) you can't protect an entire forest?Nervaqus987 said:
Heck you could literally just start asking random commoners at this point and they could likely point you to every pixie garden in Tristian.
Nervaqus987, I believe the initial argument was "why won't the Reconquista just go burn down all the gardens?"
Personally, I believe the answer to be:
It is a waste of military resources.
Until the Pixies are doing something that matters in the long term, which the Reconquista aren't aware of yet that we have seen in the story, the Pixies are "cute but harmless." They cannot take on a grown man one-on-one. They cannot take on a grown cat without problems. Trying to burn down vast chunks of Tristain to get rid of some Pixie gardens is a waste. What can they do? They can help with the local fauna and flora. They keep the forests healthy and under control. They can control the more dangerous mobs and keep them away from humans. And, as seen through a large chunk of the story, except for "boss" monsters the things they can wrangle can be taken out by an organized squad. Even when the mobs are being controlled a company marching through the forest, which would be happening if the Reconquista invaded anyway would massacre the tame mobs with their guns.
The Reconquista's navy just got handed a severe defeat. They won't be able to ship over their troops in large numbers until they can figure out a way to counteract the Fae's involvement - artillery Fae or Mortimer by himself can cause too much damage. Going after the Pixies will only make things worse in the long run.
Could they? Yes.
Would any competent military commander order such a mission based on what little the Reconquista know about the Pixies? No.
Right now the Reconquista are more likely, based on real-world historical examples, to:
Personally, I believe the answer to be:
It is a waste of military resources.
Until the Pixies are doing something that matters in the long term, which the Reconquista aren't aware of yet that we have seen in the story, the Pixies are "cute but harmless." They cannot take on a grown man one-on-one. They cannot take on a grown cat without problems. Trying to burn down vast chunks of Tristain to get rid of some Pixie gardens is a waste. What can they do? They can help with the local fauna and flora. They keep the forests healthy and under control. They can control the more dangerous mobs and keep them away from humans. And, as seen through a large chunk of the story, except for "boss" monsters the things they can wrangle can be taken out by an organized squad. Even when the mobs are being controlled a company marching through the forest, which would be happening if the Reconquista invaded anyway would massacre the tame mobs with their guns.
The Reconquista's navy just got handed a severe defeat. They won't be able to ship over their troops in large numbers until they can figure out a way to counteract the Fae's involvement - artillery Fae or Mortimer by himself can cause too much damage. Going after the Pixies will only make things worse in the long run.
Could they? Yes.
Would any competent military commander order such a mission based on what little the Reconquista know about the Pixies? No.
Right now the Reconquista are more likely, based on real-world historical examples, to:
- Solidify their hold on Albion
- Begin laying down new airships as fast as they can
- Recruit & train more men for the next phase of their Holy Crusade (TM)
- Set the Reconquista agents already inside Tristain loose on a sabotage campaign to keep Tristain from pulling any more "White Rabbits" out of their hats
- Try and figure out if there is any way to cause a rift between the Fae and Tristain