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Myozimigummy, The Unspeakable and Unspellable
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i recall this from...somewhere, definitely in this site...somewhere...don't remember who
Halkegenia Online Thread 24 : WE NOW RETURN YOU TO YOUR REGULARLY SCHEDULED PROGRAM
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i recall this from...somewhere, definitely in this site...somewhere...don't remember who
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That does sound really fun and cool lol. Given their translation spell, it'd be a flex to do so.
That said, I dunno if TriggerHappy's got any plans on Bishop and Colbert making any breakthroughs within the bounds of the fic, but your comment does sound like it'd be fun omake/sidestory material
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Brimir - God exists for I have made him. God continues to exist. How shall I comfort myself, the dead beat dad of dead beat dads? That I owe alimony to the holiest and mightiest that the world has ever known?
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Does it count as a finite reserve if you've never found the bottom of it?
I'd hardly say equal- old age and treachery, etc- but definitely in the same weight class. ALO has a lot of wide area nuke spells to compensate for the fact PVP is a dogfight.
A lot messier. Trigger is a good writer, but has a major issue with pacing that keeps trying to bludgeon this and other works into the ground.
If you do I'll send it to a friend who worked cybersec to see how much screaming it causes due to being plausible.
Provided references and sufficient computational power through the Void... The Seed Engine could do that. Remember it did all of Underworld in parallel graphics engines. The whole time.
Feed it enough and the Seed Engine can do about near anything
Dantalion
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Meanwhile in the background, Kayaba tiptoes away after having finished Brimir's spell formulae.
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Kayaba: finally my three idiot apprentices made the hyperbolic time chamber to cook that one kid I found into a real peer!
- Kirito goes in, Star King comes out -
Star King: you're a fucking hack for doing the death game.
Kayaba: so you can do better?
Star King: Yes. Observe!
UNITAL RING: THE INCIDENT!
Triggerhappy
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Wasn't the world seed mainly used as a reference model. i.e. they created UW's gross terrain, and maybe it's non fluctlight creatures, using the Seed engine, but when operating normally UW is basically a collective dream occurring within the light cluster that simply calls reference material from the seed abstraction layer when necessary. Which is how it cheats on resources and can do things like run at 15 millions times accelerated time (Except I call bullshit on that one because signal latency of mere millimeters would become noticeable at that speed and cause the whole cluster to de-synchronize with itself.)
This is why Yui, as a fully actualized human in this world dedicates an inordinate amount of time to keeping her dad distracted. Or at least keeping him from going into manic fugues for more than a few days at a time before she physically drags him from the lab and takes him fishing.
She understands the trajectory you'd get if you crushed the optimism out of Kirito and let him feed obsessively on any one goal for too long.
Same reason Liz will be calling Queen Asuna on her shit literally on her death bed. (Asuna's death bed, Liz plans to live forever.)
Eh, messier in some ways. Cleaner in others. While I agree with you that I have to work to fight bloat and improve pacing. You're always going to be an author that wants to run leaner than I do. That's just a difference in how we write.
The thing is, you cannot really do the gamer side of HalkO without the established knowledge of SAO. Which means doing a clean-sheet-sekai. The problem being that the first arc of SAO is a rather particular premise that informs Kirito and Asuna as characters :-/
What you'd wind up with is probably something closer to Faerie Dance of Death : Progressive - Crossed with ZnT with the serial numbers filed off.
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Just need to find a spell that consumes all of a player's manapool with greater effects based on the amount of mana used. You didn't actually need that mountain range right?
Argo: "-tis apparently titled 'Judgement of Yggdrasil' but all the nerds just call it Starlight Breaker sa."
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Wait a minute. I was joking about the Void and the Seed doing the Tango... but are they seriously doing the horizontal Tango as ALFhime became a physical existence on Halk?
Triggerhappy
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If by doing the Tango you mean the Familiar Summoning spell accidentally eating the World Seed and gaining AI capabilities and imperatives to 'construct' the VR world that's currently loaded into memory.
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Summoning Logic -
"Find master's perfect familiar."
"Bring master's perfect familiar."
- Finds Masters perfect familiar -
- Tries to bring -
- Fails -
- Tries to bring -
- Fails -
- Tries to bring -
- Fails -
- Examines familiar candidate by simulation -
- Realizes that the familiar candidate is doing a bunch of stuff even though its body is inert -
- Realizes that 'computers' are a thing -
- Starts simulating ALO and the Cardinal System-
The problem at this point is that if the Summoning spell is a 'computer program' of some sort, then while a Turing computer cannot, theoretically, become a human brain by just simulating a human brain . . . it can become any other turing complete program . . . that's emulation.
- Finds the World Seed -
- Runs the World Seed -
- Suddenly running world seed imperatives AND Familiar summoning imperatives -
- Square the circle! -
Note, this was also only possible due to the specific circumstances of Louise the Void Mage since all that energy Louise has been storing up for sixteen years was used as the initiation 'spark'.
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Yeah pretty much.
Yesn't. The Seed Engine was mostly used as a world regulation model, and from there it was then taken as the general basis to serve as a general template for all the abilities and systems that were interfaced above and beyond the daily life stuff. It was this part of the system that Administrator hacked into to do all her bullshit, and also this part of the system that the Seal of the Right Eye worked through to interrupt Fluctlight development.
You can, it just turns into LitRPG and then you have committed the arch-sin of writing LitRPG and deserve everything that happens to you next. The main thing about messiness, though, is how you have plotlines that are in vacuum good but don't contribute to the full bend of the story without further work and some authorial forcing: see Tarbes Arc, and the original V3 with the Dunwell chapters (and to a lesser extent, Dreamers of the Day, which managed... 110k words of not even getting to the first dungeon even if it did clear a lot of important milestones).
this is really why I yell outline outline outline every day, because it isolates the causes of problematic bloat and files them away for later. There are very few bad ideas, but there are very many places where a new idea should not go.
Triggerhappy
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I mean, this one I disagree with you on because I actually was hitting acceptably close to my target word count. The plot was going slow, but I know why that was happening and why it wouldn't continue be slow in the following volume. You might disagree with those decisions but it was at least a deliberate choice that was getting made and an intended result that was getting got.
Now this is a place where we do broadly agree. It's why for the most part if I want to do weird tangents from now I'll concentrate them in actual sidestories or interludes that don't need to directly affect the main plot.
Why do you think my favorite thing in Isekai is to make a bunch of otaku realize in dawning horror that it isn't a lit RPG?
IIRC this is true when UW time and real world time are approximately synced up. The thing is, when they speed up the UW clock, everything is happening inside the light cluster. Which does not run conventional software. If it could, then there would be no reason that conventional AI couldn't operate in UW as all of the Cardinal Infrastructure they rely on would also function normally. The conventional hardware that runs the Seed can't keep up and what's actually running and regulating UW at that point is the consensus memory/model of that system.
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What if it is unlit RPG though. The people are isekaied into the poorly lit ever expanding underground dungeon.
Speaking of dungeon, not all dungeon would be attacked and cleared, right? If they are like Oblivion dungeons, there could be some dungeons that is inhabited by rogue mages or bandits who could potentially be reasoned with. There could also be dungeon boss who's lore is someone being imprisoned. Could be Oberon, could be other entities. They might appreciate being rescued. Not sure if they can survive now that food actually becomes a necessary though. Magic I guess sustaining them.
Speaking of dungeon, not all dungeon would be attacked and cleared, right? If they are like Oblivion dungeons, there could be some dungeons that is inhabited by rogue mages or bandits who could potentially be reasoned with. There could also be dungeon boss who's lore is someone being imprisoned. Could be Oberon, could be other entities. They might appreciate being rescued. Not sure if they can survive now that food actually becomes a necessary though. Magic I guess sustaining them.
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Pretty sure it's included in the v1 refactor on ff.net
GeshronTyler
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I might say "Excaliber" would be appropriate... Or Dragon Slave? The latter being perhaps admitedly forgotten in the past...
The dawning horror as the designated Hero chosen by the Goddess and delivered by Truck-kun realizes that his chosen cheat skill of 'Chick Magnet' does nothing to stop all the not-even-close too young/too old/too ugly ladies from nigh instantly falling for him, nothing to make all the ladies like or even pretend to tolerate each other, nothing to stop the designated Yuno Gasai from well being her, and nothing to stop all the angry husbands/fathers from opening a Hero vacancy.
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That's harem. When I say 'not lit RPG' - I mean no 'numbers go brrr!'.
Well other than the kind of numbers that Mortimer worries about now. Y'know, troop and supply numbers. Travel times. Logistics!
It's not a harem for him either. All the girls hate each other for moving on their man, and at least one of them is very proactively removing her competition.
He chose 'Chick Magnet' when what he really wanted was 'Harem Protag.' Poor fool shoulda read the whole catelog before picking his cheat skill. You only get to reincarnate with one Boon so it pays to be thorough and choose wisely. Well at least he wasn't tempted by 'The Gamer,' that skill is nothing but an Isekai meme now, the numbers don't mean jack shit after a month and the protag going from worrying about a difference of 50 points to 'Lol, 50,293,672,805 Strength goes brrr!'
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Asuna - casting indefinite water breathing spell so that she can finally live the dream - a 24 hour bath!
She'd have gone longer, but y'know, still have to use the toilet eventually.
Icipall
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Better have a moisturizing spell ready as well, cause after 24 hours she is going to look like a dry raisin.
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Henrietta has one after she fishes Asuna out of the royal baths where she's been lurking as reward for Some Bullshit she fixed. After all, Henrietta knows more water spells for beauty than anyone cares to admit.
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Hence why one should never achieve all their dreams.