Halkegenia Online Thread 24 : WE NOW RETURN YOU TO YOUR REGULARLY SCHEDULED PROGRAM
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In PMs it was suggested that if Yui decides to become a true psychiatrist (rather than an immensely empathetic person who just so happens to have an internalize diagnostic suite) some of the problems she might be dealing with in Fae children are things like :
'Gaiaphobia' i.e. fear of touching the ground.
Extreme sensory sensitivity : i.e. intolernace to hot, cold, or light
Specialized childhood development care among Cait Syth and Sidhe children : I imagine Cait Syth become fully ambulatory younger than any other Fae phenotype, but they're typically slow to reach other milestones. They'll typically be the last to start speaking for instance as their brains prioritize motor control and sensory processing and then catch up elesewhere later.
Mediating between first generation parents and their second generation children. A huge one no doubt as parents have to cope with raising children for whom all of this is . . . normal.
Managing and prescribing things like puberty blockers for precocious Fae youths when their bodies adaptation drive kicks in during puberty. i.e. It is not natural (or healthy in either the physical or emotional sense) for your little girl to go from playing with her cute child dumbells while dad gets in his workout to wanting to spot for dad as he bench presses in less than a year.
Edit : Fae typically 'pop' their wings around a year old at which point they can instinctively slow a fall to be survivable from most heights.
They also typically develop their instincts to orient themselves three dimensionally from the ages of 1-3 over which time their flight ability expands to wing assisted hops.
By five, a Faerie can fly short distances at moderate speeds. And by ten they're reaching the 'athleticism' age where things like training their stamina and coordination really start to come into their own.
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Anyone have the link to my old 'groups of Fae are callled ______' post I did way way way the hell back? I don't (quickly) spot it in the archived post index.
Because we should link it with Jwolf's post.
And Jwolf? You forgot Cait Sith and Maeves.
Cait Sith toddlers, well, will be Cats. This includes temperament, a demand for scritches (and god help you if you rub their fur the wrong way, or touch the tail), and the occasional moment where they become a 'sixth form of matter' in order to fit into the damnest of places. Cait Sith homes quickly become known for babyproofing that includes door handles that must be pulled up (not down, or turned) and furniture which fits with absolute TOTAL snugness against walls, leaving no gaps for quietly giggling hiding monsters even as their parents freak out of their minds for where the brats went. Mittens also tend to be a thing until they learn how to use nail-files properly.
Maeves are Slyphs, but Turned Up To Eleven. They hover. Everywhere. Even when asleep. On one hand, this makes this vastly easier on the parents, as one can simply tie a string to the back of their onesie and let them float like a balloon just above mom/dad/older sibling/guardian/etc. On the other hand, the moment they realize they can unfasten said string, all bets are off. Oddly enough it tends to be dad who ends up being the exhausted utter wreck after trying to catch up to them, while mom gracefully flutters on by without a hint of strain. Also oddly, grandfathers withMmaeve daughters, tend not to warn the new father of their grandchild(s) about this, known as SSTSP*.
*Something Something Traditional Something Payback.
Because we should link it with Jwolf's post.
And Jwolf? You forgot Cait Sith and Maeves.
Cait Sith toddlers, well, will be Cats. This includes temperament, a demand for scritches (and god help you if you rub their fur the wrong way, or touch the tail), and the occasional moment where they become a 'sixth form of matter' in order to fit into the damnest of places. Cait Sith homes quickly become known for babyproofing that includes door handles that must be pulled up (not down, or turned) and furniture which fits with absolute TOTAL snugness against walls, leaving no gaps for quietly giggling hiding monsters even as their parents freak out of their minds for where the brats went. Mittens also tend to be a thing until they learn how to use nail-files properly.
Maeves are Slyphs, but Turned Up To Eleven. They hover. Everywhere. Even when asleep. On one hand, this makes this vastly easier on the parents, as one can simply tie a string to the back of their onesie and let them float like a balloon just above mom/dad/older sibling/guardian/etc. On the other hand, the moment they realize they can unfasten said string, all bets are off. Oddly enough it tends to be dad who ends up being the exhausted utter wreck after trying to catch up to them, while mom gracefully flutters on by without a hint of strain. Also oddly, grandfathers withMmaeve daughters, tend not to warn the new father of their grandchild(s) about this, known as SSTSP*.
*Something Something Traditional Something Payback.
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Well, according to POE-M Fall, and possibly other Trigger posts in regards to the Pixies/POE-M idea, Pixies would prefer designs to be less obviously mechanical/beast-/machine-like.
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GeshronTyler
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Fae Kindergartens/childcare and homes might have big net/mesh enclosures (on the windows?) , like for free-flying bird enclosures.
Fae toddlers might have instincts that make them want to stay close to familiar people/areas, and not wander off.
An instinct to stay in a social group, and/or follow (like ducklings) a "parental figure/surrogate".
There would likely be an unfortunate learning process of how to deal with children (with some inevitable tragedies) , as a kind of social conciousness/situational awareness develops where Fae sort of track children in sight subconsciously.
Clothes with imbeded/embroidered tracking tags, trained/tamed mobs that "shepard" children.
Maybe the Feathered Dragons are trained (or do it by nature) to watch over children.
Fae toddlers might have instincts that make them want to stay close to familiar people/areas, and not wander off.
An instinct to stay in a social group, and/or follow (like ducklings) a "parental figure/surrogate".
There would likely be an unfortunate learning process of how to deal with children (with some inevitable tragedies) , as a kind of social conciousness/situational awareness develops where Fae sort of track children in sight subconsciously.
Clothes with imbeded/embroidered tracking tags, trained/tamed mobs that "shepard" children.
Maybe the Feathered Dragons are trained (or do it by nature) to watch over children.
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As I recall, SB's Barricade is SV's Sakuya's Butler. (It's even noted in Butler's sig.) However, while I have managed to pin down the corresponding sections of thread the post in question was never copied from SB to SV during the Great Splintering.
At this point we almost need a specific clean sheet thread for reposting all the materials that have been generated over the years.
Anzer'ke
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If they're flying to some degree by around 5 to 10 (presumably with some variance in milestones by individual) then that's right in time for the earliest ages most phobias develop (not a solid area, but there is some evidence that animal phobias and such tend to develop before five, while the rest tend to come in after ten) and it's not hard to see how a Faerie child might get scared of the ground. Especially if they distinguished between safe grounds (floors for instance) and unsafe ones (natural terrain perhaps) and might therefore be mistaken for agoraphobia at first.
So a parent thinks their kid has social issues but really they're scared of dirt.
I suppose the racial senses and minor inclinations would tend these towards being racially grouped. Not as a certainty but at the level where proper statistical analysis would show a significant relationship. Though the greater senses of Faeries in general are far more likely to play a bigger part. Obviously we don't really have much real life data to go on for this sort of thing but it would follow that increased senses = denser and larger sensory processing areas of the brain = more capacity for things to go wrong there.
Could also link to cases of puberty hitting too fast. Their Faerie bodies gain sensory acuity too rapidly in the process and they're left struggling to process the data properly. In fact it occurs that later study would likely formalise a lot of those cases of maladaptive puberty into a core problem of uneven development due to some areas outpacing others.
Huh, I guess in a way this means that the lesser shadow of 'Out of Time' cases is something that will continue to follow them throughout their life as a species. Might even be that the propensity for it is increased due to the exact mechanisms that the Transition used to ensure that those like Rika would still be able to develop most of their brain function (read: growing up and maturing into adults) at a normal rate.
Meanwhile Sylph children hit flight milestones earlier?
Oh wait, misread that. Well the notion might stand but Sidhe children are an interesting topic. Gonna be hard work for pyshcologists among the Fae to get Sidhe to trust them enough to help with this sort of thing. Especially Sinnoach Sidhe if past mentions of them and their kids are coming back to me correctly.
Different priorities make sense as a lore remnant of the whole bestial origins. And would certainly make for kitten like kids. Though it'll probably also scare the hell out of some of the early parents when all the milestones are different (a problem for all Fae parents that one) and so they are left with no idea if their child is developing at a healthy rate or not. Cait parents in particular are going to have a time between codification of milestones across Fae as a whole and the realisation that Cait are just naturally different in the early development stages.
Mediating between first generation parents and their second generation children. A huge one no doubt as parents have to cope with raising children for whom all of this is . . . normal.
Managing and prescribing things like puberty blockers for precocious Fae youths when their bodies adaptation drive kicks in during puberty. i.e. It is not natural (or healthy in either the physical or emotional sense) for your little girl to go from playing with her cute child dumbells while dad gets in his workout to wanting to spot for dad as he bench presses in less than a year.
They could possibly develop this particular medicine fairly early (yay alchemy skill!) with some input from Pixie healers as it could be a similar mechanism of action to what they use to slow Blossomings, especially if different gardens use different blends of certain plants due to regional variance in what is easy to find. Use alchemy and magic to supplement efforts at isolating and extracting commonalities amongst them and boom, you can scale up to have a Faerie version. It becoming a priority to develop after some early freakouts with Arrun Home residents would make sense and then you have a perfect set-up for first generation parents demanding this treatment (at just about the right time in the future for Yui to be grown up and getting into her field) when it's not necessary at all. They're just scared and worried and mournful over what feels like missed years because they haven't internalised that their children are developing differently but are very much still developing.
Like I imagine that Fae whose development jumps ahead mostly just end up spending more time as teenagers. The age of becoming an adult being far less variable then the age of puberty.
Wing pop age is going to be a godsend for parents. Combined with some increase in durability even with an untrained baby body and mortality from accidents is certain to be a bit lower. Though the first parent to discover this when they drop their baby while flying and their frantic dive overshoots the little gliding giggling child...well they are going to be pretty fucking scared by the experience. On the other hand this probably means Faerie kids are more inclined to fall off things intentionally as they grow up.
Developing flight and gliding instincts as it might be, this sort of behaviour is sure to scare the hell out of first gen parents.
This would predate a lot of the more abstract spatial awareness that develops by about nine or ten, which makes sense given the increased capacity for three dimensional orientation that Fae must possess. A comparison would probably find that the order of some of those abstract measures is altered given that Faerie kids have a different priority set. Also little toddlers hopping around with their wings makes for an adorable image indeed.
So it lags behind walking at first, but not by that much. This would suggest that Faerie back rides are going to be very popular with young Fae (and possibly aid their development of spatial reasoning) who are probably horribly jealous of their older siblings and such for being able to fly. Who can fly the longest is definitely replacing who can run the furthest for such kids. Also they're going to be getting plenty of grinding of their toughness and battle healing stats what with all the aerial tag they'll be playing. Here's hoping second generation Fae are better at automatically gliding even when knocked out
Thanks for giving me a reason to go digging through z-library Trigger. Been a while since I did much reading on developmental psychology.
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Icipall
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Another thing Fae children will have to learn is how to safely interact with human children. People who aren't as durable/strong as you, can't fly, most of them can't cast magic, etc. And make sure that the Fae kids don't start growing feelings of superiority over that.
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I hadn't mentioned the Caits since they were already talked about and the Maeves were going to be far too small population for far too long to really think of a 'general guide'.
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*snickers slightly*
Oh, they are indeed the ones I'm looking for.
Pod of Undine
(in reference of a 'pod of dolphins', and is near universally approved of by the Undines)
Murder of Spriggans
(obvious crow reference is obvious, was overwhelmingly supported by Morgiana, even if it doesn't really suit them thematically)
Flight of Slyphs
('natch, was something of a one-over by Mortimer to Sakuya who was holding out for 'drift' (as in 'drift of swans') due to liking the term more then the generic 'flight'. She got overruled.)
Lyre of Puca
(in, partial, reference to the plural form of lyrebirds. Unanimously voted in by the Puca)
Cloud of Imps
(in reference to a 'cloud of bats', and while humorously put forward, they've gleefully taken to it, especially in sports & airborne military tactics)
Business of Gnomes
(as in a reference to a 'business of ferrets', business dealings, and how they're very comfortable below ground)
Pounce of Cait Sith/Destruction of Cait Sith
(technically 'pounce', in reference to a 'pounce of cats', although Dragoon Knights almost without exception prefer the term used for wild cats. 'Streak' is also popular, referencing a 'Streak of Tigers')
Band of Salamanders
(Morgiana, with very vocal support from Alicia Rue & Sakuya - who got the joke (only other one was Mortimer, who was silenced overruled...via a kick to the shin), put it forward, without mentioning it originally referred to a 'band of gorillas')
Cast of Leprechauns
(in reference to a 'cast of hawks', a partial reference to their 'hawkish' attitude involving their wares & prices. Was immediately copyrighted by them. Go figure)
Watch of Maeves
(in reference to a 'watch of nightingales'. Put forward personally by Kirito, in direct reference to the 'inspiring' classical portrayal of nightingales in the arts & various mythologies. Asuna was blushing furiously for the rest of the meeting)
Tome of Cardinal
(new term specifically requested by Bishop/Cardinal for all it's/her terminal bodies. Never proven, it is near unanimous by the Fae that it was Bishop who came up with the term, although she denies it. Cardinal, rather then Cardinals, is the proper term)
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What about Pixies? A Bouquet? A Swarm?
Icipall
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That's cute.
Triggerhappy
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Phobias are a real and crippline problem for so many people that I don't want to laugh at even fictional ones but . . .
Yeah I was thinking something like a cognitive intolerance to specific strong sensory stimulation being more common among Fae. Hot, cold, light, noise, smells. Something that might be bable to be unlearned or reset with therapy but still a problem that's going to keep doctors busy.
Like, Leafa's ability to sense air currents isn't something she uses all the time both because it would be distracting and probably stress Suguha out even more being so alienating from 'humanity', but also because it requires her brain to work overtime on sensory processing so doing it for more than brief bursts is just incredibly mentally taxing.
Naturally born Sylphs might have it a bit easier. But there are still no doubts limits.
Makes sense.
Sionach are so rare it's going to be difficult to get any baseline on them. Cu and Coinen are going to be fucking weird due to their own peculiarities. Cu sidhe for their capacity to turn into berserkers if they abuse their inherent transformation magic and Coinen because, well, they've got all the hangups of being a pray species turned warrior species. Oh boy . . .
And then Yui is sitting cross legged on the floor holding up a candy as a petulent Cait Syth both glares at her.
Yui : "Use your words and you can have a piece."
Cait boy sticks out his tongue.
Yui : -eats first piece of candy!-
Cait : "NO! MINE!"
Yui : -stares hard-
Cait : "Please!"
Parents looking confused.
Yui : "It's common with Cait children. Long after their language center starts to develop they try to get by without talking. It's okay for them to start a little late . . . But you don't want it to go on too long."
Parents furiously thanking her
Yui : "However . . . just know . . . Once he starts he's probably not going to shut up!"
Pretty much. This isn't 'boom suddenly a physical adult' this is parents freaking out over some significant precocious development driven by their children hitting puberty and suddenly getting access to that capacity to build up their physical abilities without fear of crippling muscle/joint/ligament damage. Much like real world children entering athletics. Just couple that with mildly accelerated development into mid adolescents due to their bodies responding to the stresss and the whole 'parent time' that already freaks out when their little boy/girl is suddenly striking out on their own and doing shit when the child is a perfectly normal human.
Yui just telling them : 'Don't think of it as less time to spend with your little guy/girl. Think of it as more time to help them figure out the man/woman they're going to be!"
Of course Yui never mentions she was quitet a late bloomer herself cuz gosh darnit if she wasn't going to get as many bed time cuddles as she could from her often absenty parents.
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Pretty sure you accidentally some story into this post.
Icipall
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Is this stuff supposed to be here?
Good job, Yui.
Yui deserves all the bed time cuddles. All of them!!!Of course Yui never mentions she was quitet a late bloomer herself cuz gosh darnit if she wasn't going to get as many bed time cuddles as she could from her often absenty parents.
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Triggerhappy
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They can.
Though I have used this as a joke in my 'fighting like cats and dogs' scifi universe.
Temeraire (snearing imperialist cat people. So, y'know, what the Star Kingdom of Manticore would ACTUALLY BE LIKE) have no sense of 'sweet'.
So chocolate basically tastes awful to them while Setantans (Irish doggo people) and Vexens (Scottish fox people) can tolerate it in small quantities (It is still mildly toxic to them, so they treat it a lot like alcohol)
The Princess Racquel Artoria le Temerare states at one point she senses she is 'missing out' on something.
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I don't think they're that much cat. Even if they were they could still eat white chocolate.
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They're also created for a virtual MMORPG. If anyone in the design company suggested making a race unable to eat chocolate (and there's at least one player (Drake) who joined the game for a chance to eat what he wanted without getting fat), they'd be laughed out of the meeting room.
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I'm just asking because the transition changed a few things. Like they have to poop now or their bodies don't turn into light after they died. So, the change could have happened 😅.
Anzer'ke
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They're drinking wines and eating normal foods, many of which are also toxic to cats. It's probably not an issue.
Triggerhappy
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I mean, I'm sure there are things that are quite poisonous to the freakish chemical furnaces known as Faeries . . .
Hawaiian pizza for instance.
And they're obviously not immune to straight up kill a person poisons. Resistant at best. But the solution there is more poison. And since more nerve toxins are actually huge overkill even at their tiny dosages I don't imagine things like poison arrows would be any less deady to Fae sans antidote.
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