Halkegenia Online Thread 23 - I Think We're Going to be Alright

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One thing you may want to note, there is apparently a spell that can convert a fairly large amount of dirt into pure gun powder. If that's possible converting large amounts of materials into oil may also not be beyond the impossible for mages. Granted ye creating that much oil does seem unrealistic.
The thing is the author of ZnT often didn't seem to really think things through when he tossed out stuff like that. There were spells and abilities demonstrated by even Dot mages that would slaughter every commoner on the battlefield, make them pointless in the fields of infrastructure etc.

And yet he had commoners being needed/vital in both fields and more. I put it down to him wanting to skim over the 'boring stuff' like fine-detailed world building and get back to more important things: harem antics and hijinks.:rolleyes:

TH is taking a more sensible route with world building that tries to be internally consistent and make sense. Does this utterly rape ZnT canon with a rusty barge pole at times? Yes.

Does it make a better story that makes a lot more sense? Hell Yes!:cool:
 
One thing you may want to note, there is apparently a spell that can convert a fairly large amount of dirt into pure gun powder. If that's possible converting large amounts of materials into oil may also not be beyond the impossible for mages. Granted ye creating that much oil does seem unrealistic.

In one of the side stories Tabitha turns the water in the soil to oil and burns a vampire to death that way - vampires are just below elves in how strong they are at magic. Colbert also seems to pretty causally make enough gas to fly this thing around at a good speed.



They also can create metal rather easily (see all the metal golems), though the process introduces impurities that make it less useful. Still, with more modern techniques they should be able to remove impurities. Raw materials seems to be something ZnT mages are good at, but they aren't particularly good at refining them; that's something modern technology is good at.
 
Eh, unless there's a truly pressing need to change something (no Kirk, that's not what the center of the universe looks like), or you're reinventing the entire world (like what ES does), I generally think that you should try and keep canon elements. It helps tie a work back to the source. So unless there's some pressing need for Colbert not to be able to accomplish what he accomplished, he should be able to accomplish it given the same resources he had in canon.

Sometimes that's simply too problematic because one thing contradict another, but Halk actually does use and maintain more high tech then they should be able to(through the church) unless you assume magic is good at working with complex machinery. Look at the man-hours of use to maintenance for a tank, then remember that the Church doesn't know the proper way to mothball one, or even how it really works, but they can keep one working.

And that is precisely what a number of readers, and TH to some extent, don't like about the original. Too much handwaving, powers of plot, convenient device of the moment, that never gets mentioned again... If you try to include stuff from the Karin Side Stories, and Tabitha Side Stories, you run into that all the time. There have been pages and pages of debate and arguments over this sort of thing.

The Church only found the weapons and machines in the original, they didn't know what to do with them. Heck, the eponymous "Staff of Destruction", was a rocket launcher, but no one knew what to do with it. Till Saito came along, who happened to be Gandalfr- all those weapons and machine's were basically summoned for his use. He was also the reason that they could use any of the stuff, or that he could use the Zero fighter- the Gandalfr runes gave him the knowledge to maintain the "weapons" he used. In this case, the Zero and Tank.

I don't dispute that Colbert could manage to produce fuel, or manage to build an engine- I dispute that he can produce usefull quantities without focusing exclusively on doing just that for days if not weeks on end. Or that his engine will run reliably for hundreds of hours without breaking down. Or that he can build more than one, to the same specifications of reliability and power, without a good deal of time and effort.

Edit: as for preserving, there are some kind of protection spells to keep things from decaying, rusting, which was used on the Zero Fighter, and presumably the other things.

TH did have the Huey Helicopter that replaced the Zero in his fic protected by such spells.
 
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In one of the side stories Tabitha turns the water in the soil to oil and burns a vampire to death that way - vampires are just below elves in how strong they are at magic. Colbert also seems to pretty causally make enough gas to fly this thing around at a good speed.



They also can create metal rather easily (see all the metal golems), though the process introduces impurities that make it less useful. Still, with more modern techniques they should be able to remove impurities. Raw materials seems to be something ZnT mages are good at, but they aren't particularly good at refining them; that's something modern technology is good at.
The rational-science in me cringes whenever I see the Ostland... the only way it can fly is, ironically enough, magic.
 
TH did have the Huey Helicopter that replaced the Zero in his fic protected by such spells.
Of course from the description given in story here it seems that said preservation spells only really work when the object is not used and merely being stored away. Otherwise every single piece of equipment would have said spells on it to prevent wear and tear.
 
The thing is the author of ZnT often didn't seem to really think things through when he tossed out stuff like that. There were spells and abilities demonstrated by even Dot mages that would slaughter every commoner on the battlefield, make them pointless in the fields of infrastructure etc.

And yet he had commoners being needed/vital in both fields and more. I put it down to him wanting to skim over the 'boring stuff' like fine-detailed world building and get back to more important things: harem antics and hijinks.:rolleyes:

TH is taking a more sensible route with world building that tries to be internally consistent and make sense. Does this utterly rape ZnT canon with a rusty barge pole at times? Yes.

Does it make a better story that makes a lot more sense? Hell Yes!:cool:
Speaking with the people in the Back to Basics thread I'm told commoner troops were apparently used primarily to mark held territory, that is to say they didn't really fight for it so much as 'hold' it. And they also probably did the grunt work that magic couldn't do better. But I digress, you are right that TH is going for a more balanced take on the commoner mage situation which is not a bad idea, though Warde's clone's are still OP. I was just noting something form canon as, while I don't mind new ideas and tech changing things I like to make sure magic is remembered as being very impressive and, all things considered, tech may not change the power dynamics as much as people thing. (I have a post about this further back in the thread)

In one of the side stories Tabitha turns the water in the soil to oil and burns a vampire to death that way - vampires are just below elves in how strong they are at magic. Colbert also seems to pretty causally make enough gas to fly this thing around at a good speed.

They also can create metal rather easily (see all the metal golems), though the process introduces impurities that make it less useful. Still, with more modern techniques they should be able to remove impurities. Raw materials seems to be something ZnT mages are good at, but they aren't particularly good at refining them; that's something modern technology is good at.
I do agree with all of this, though it's worth noting magic may, with time, find a means of catching up to tech on that front as well.
 
The rational-science in me cringes whenever I see the Ostland... the only way it can fly is, ironically enough, magic.

I can't even began to come up with a reason the wings are set up like that, other then it vaguely makes it look more planelike. But as lift is coming from magical stones, those wings are just a massive point of stress. Also, the design is ugly.
 
I can't even began to come up with a reason the wings are set up like that, other then it vaguely makes it look more planelike. But as lift is coming from magical stones, those wings are just a massive point of stress. Also, the design is ugly.

It's not like they don't produce their own lift when the thing is in motion. If anything, it probably means they can use their windstones less while in motion.
 
But I digress, you are right that TH is going for a more balanced take on the commoner mage situation which is not a bad idea, though Warde's clones are still OP.
Considering that he supposedly trained like a mad-man along with having plenty of talent (rated elite triangle or square, can't remember) and it was his signature spell, it's not surprising.
I was just noting something form canon as, while I don't mind new ideas and tech changing things I like to make sure magic is remembered as being very impressive and, all things considered, tech may not change the power dynamics as much as people thing.
Magic is going to be important as shown by Hyuuga in the latest scene where mages are helping with the production process. The main difference is that here mages actually have limitations other then needed by plot to increase drama while being able to make/do anything with a swish of thier wands(IE they are not running on Harry Potter rules).
I do agree with all of this, though it's worth noting magic may, with time, find a means of catching up to tech on that front as well.
Magic technically can do anything that Hyuuga and co are currently doing. The problem is that you would need a fairly talented mage of the right elemental alignment willing to just sit there doing nothing but eating, sleeping and burning his willpower to the bone on one job. The issue with this is that most/all mages of the needed power and skill (line and triangle at a guess) are nobles who really aren't interesting in doing such a thing.

In comparison to mundane smithing techniques of the Halk era a powerful mage can potentially craft an object 2 times as good to a commoner in the same amount of time or less. Hyuuga's factory on the other hand can make objects of say 1.5~1.8 in quality using commoners and petty mages (mostly dot class) while having a much higher production rate then either.

It's not so much Magic=dumb and Tech=OP so much as New Ideas!+Tech+Magic = OP here.
 
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Considering that he supposedly trained like a mad-man along with having plenty of talent (rated elite triangle or square, can't remember) and it was his signature spell, it's not surprising.

Magic is going to be important as shown by Hyuuga in the latest scene where mages are helping with the production process. The main difference is that here mages actually have limitations other then needed by plot to increase drama while being able to make/do anything with a swish of thier wands(IE they are not running on Harry Potterrules).

Magic technically can do anything that Hyuuga and co are currently doing. The problem is that you would need a fairly talented mage of the right elemental alignment willing to just sit there doing nothing but eating, sleeping and burning his willpower to the bone on one job. The issue with this is that most/all mages of the needed power and skill (line and triangle at a guess) are nobles who really aren't interesting in going such a thing.

In comparison to mundane smithing techniques of the Halk era a powerful mage can potentially craft an object 2 times as good to a commoner in the same amount of time r less. Hyuuga's factory on the other hand can make objects of say 1.5~1.8 in quality using commoners and petty mages (mostly dot class) while having a much higher production rate then either.

It's not so much Magic=dumb and Tech=OP so much as New Ideas!+Tech+Magic = OP here.
He was a square as I recall and I'm pretty sure just general lightning was his signature or at least runic naming feet. The 'issue' even fans of the series tend to have with the spell is more that it doesn't really mesh with the elemental system that well and is hilariously overpowered. A stone golem would be more believable in that context.

I know it's still going to be important, I was just citing it a comparison from canon on certain things magic can potentially do very quickly.

That's a good description of the situation and one I support, I wasn't trying to argue against that either, and I apologize if it came across like I was.
 
Magic technically can do anything that Hyuuga and co are currently doing. The problem is that you would need a fairly talented mage of the right elemental alignment willing to just sit there doing nothing but eating, sleeping and burning his willpower to the bone on one job. The issue with this is that most/all mages of the needed power and skill (line and triangle at a guess) are nobles who really aren't interesting in going such a thing.

In comparison to mundane smithing techniques of the Halk era a powerful mage can potentially craft an object 2 times as good to a commoner in the same amount of time r less. Hyuuga's factory on the other hand can make objects of say 1.5~1.8 in quality using commoners and petty mages (mostly dot class) while having a much higher production rate then either.

It's not so much Magic=dumb and Tech=OP so much as New Ideas!+Tech+Magic = OP here.

Don't forget the most important bottleneck: you can train any commoner to use factory machines, while even if you train a Mage in the same magic-casting as another Mage they may not have the requisite magic aptitude to replicate the required quality of enchanted item. Magic is so dependent on individual aptitude as well as highly affected by individual variables of magic difference that trying to mass produce magic items to exacting specifications reliably would be difficult at best, unless you're using low-ranking spells.
 
Here's another thought: since muskets are a thing now and are wide spread through the commoner ranks, medieval style metal armor is on its way out. Does this mean that the Fae are going to introduce modern ceramic armor and Kevlar-like armor to the Army Regulars? That little bit of extra survivability could change an awful lot.
 
It's not like they don't produce their own lift when the thing is in motion. If anything, it probably means they can use their windstones less while in motion.

Less wind-stone, but more fuel as that lift comes at the cost of greater air resistance. The also put all kinds of additional stresses upon the hull. Also, there has to either be fuel lines to each wing engine, or each of them is it's own self-contain system with it's own fuel tank. And those engines are big; either there using more magic to reenforce the wings so they don't break, or each engine has it's own dedicated wind-stone to provide life for the individual turbines.

Wings might be involved in steering for normal airships, but for a powered ship it makes about as much sense as sails upon a steamboat.

I mean, Colbert clearly made a incredible machine here far in advance of the local technology level by copying designs he saw in the Zero Fighter... but there's also a lot that could be done better.
 
Here's another thought: since muskets are a thing now and are wide spread through the commoner ranks, medieval style metal armor is on its way out. Does this mean that the Fae are going to introduce modern ceramic armor and Kevlar-like armor to the Army Regulars? That little bit of extra survivability could change an awful lot.
If the Fae can mass produce some of their armor they could use that instead. In multiple cases it was shown to stand up to musket fire.

Now that was fairly high end Dark Amalgam armor or the equivalent (hard materials to make/craft) but a mention by Hyuuga's implanted smithing knowledge indicated that using some modern techniques that weren't allowed in game to ramp up production of the material.
 
Here's another thought: since muskets are a thing now and are wide spread through the commoner ranks, medieval style metal armor is on its way out. Does this mean that the Fae are going to introduce modern ceramic armor and Kevlar-like armor to the Army Regulars? That little bit of extra survivability could change an awful lot.
Do we know if such armor is on it;s way out though? I could be very wrong here but based on my admittedly limited knowledge metallic armor still seems to be the order of the day if one can get it and it may be easier to produce with petty mages hanging around.
 
Less wind-stone, but more fuel as that lift comes at the cost of greater air resistance. The also put all kinds of additional stresses upon the hull. Also, there has to either be fuel lines to each wing engine, or each of them is it's own self-contain system with it's own fuel tank. And those engines are big; either there using more magic to reenforce the wings so they don't break, or each engine has it's own dedicated wind-stone to provide life for the individual turbines.

Wings might be involved in steering for normal airships, but for a powered ship it makes about as much sense as sails upon a steamboat.

I mean, Colbert clearly made a incredible machine here far in advance of the local technology level by copying designs he saw in the Zero Fighter... but there's also a lot that could be done better.

To sum up, he imitated the Zero fighter and got something that worked. Here's the thing through, the Tristainians, and by extension Colbert, don't understand why the Zero works, only that it does. The design flaws are indicative of this. If an Earth designer had the magical tools of the Halks available in making an aircraft, you would likely end up with a flying submarine.

Windstones eliminate the need for wing to provide lift, so at most there would be smaller nubs to be used as control surfaces. Propellers would likely be to the rear so that they are producing as much thrust as possible, and the main body of the vessel would be as aerodynamic as possible.
 
Wings might be involved in steering for normal airships, but for a powered ship it makes about as much sense as sails upon a steamboat.

Actually wings are useful in forward flight even for craft that don't rely on it for all of their lift, like in the case of attack helicopters (their weapon pylons also provide supplementary lift as wings) and Hybrid Airships (airships that combined powered propulsion and lift capabilities with the buoyancy of airships), since in forward flight the wings create lift that offload the weight of the craft, resulting in gains in flight efficiency.

The Ostland of course is kinda a bad implementation of the idea, but the concept itself is sound. Also, it's not like large, thick wings like what the Ostland has are unheard of in real life aircraft - see the Spruce Goose.
 
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Do we know if such armor is on it;s way out though? I could be very wrong here but based on my admittedly limited knowledge metallic armor still seems to be the order of the day if one can get it and it may be easier to produce with petty mages hanging around.

Wikipedia said:
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The development of powerful rifled firearms made all but the finest and heaviest armour obsolete. The increasing power and availability of firearms and the nature of large, state-supported infantry led to more portions of plate armour being cast off in favour of cheaper, more mobile troops. Leg protection was the first part to go, replaced by tall leather boots. By the beginning of the 18th century, only field marshals, commanders and royalty remained in full armour on the battlefield, more as a sign of rank than for practical considerations. It remained fashionable for monarchs to be portrayed in armour during the first half of the 18th century, but even this tradition became obsolete. Thus, a portrait of Frederick the Great in 1739 still shows him in armour, while a later painting showing him as a commander in theSeven Years' War (1760s) depicts him without armour.

Body armour remained in use throughout the 18th century with cavalry units, especially cuirassiers, including front and back plates that could protect the wearer from distanced fire and either helmets or "secrets", a steel protection they wore under a floppy hat.

If the Fae can mass produce some of their armor they could use that instead. In multiple cases it was shown to stand up to musket fire.

Now that was fairly high end Dark Amalgam armor or the equivalent (hard materials to make/craft) but a mention by Hyuuga's implanted smithing knowledge indicated that using some modern techniques that weren't allowed in game to ramp up production of the material.

Fair enough, just keep the costs down.
 
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There's the modern concept of the Blended-Wing-Body aircraft concept, where the fuselage "tube" and wings are blended into a hybrid of the flying wing and conventional airfram layout. The difficulty in using such a layout, despite its many advantages, is the problem of needing to provide pressurized cabin spaces. A circular cross-section is desirable for pressurized cabins, so as to distribute the forces equally to the skin and frames of the fuselage. You would need two or more tubes next to each other to make decent use of the volume of a BWB/Flying Wing, which causes problems with how to connect them without weakening the structure, or having the section so cut off from one another that the internal volume is constrained. You can't have a large open bay in the middle, without some hefty weight penalties for reinforcing the structure (if at all possible), or providing some kind of pillars in the open space, to keep the whole thing from breaking when flying at altitude. Pressurized cabins mean that the fuselage is litterally being blow up like a ballon, or blowing into an empty thin sided plastic bottle.

The British Comet jet airliner was in fact the first commercial jet-liner in the world, several years before Boeings 707- it failed commercially because the plane litterally blew apart in mid air because the windos were rectangular, and too large, for the constraints of the contemporaray materials science. The expansion/contraction cycles of regular flights at altitude induced Metal fatigue micro-cracks in the fuselage, and several planes failed catastrophically.

This would theoretically apply to Halkegenian airships as well, but, magic. TH has been assuming some kind of wind spells applied to the hulls/interiors/equipment supply enough air pressure/oxygen to prevent hypoxia, and/or simply not going above heights that humans can't survive in, without causing the issues with internal air pressure loads causing undue fatigue in the hull.
 
Got bored. Decided to write another snippet for my Spriggan Hit Squad. This one of the more personal nature.
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Camp site, somewhere in Tristan
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With a yawn, Zeraku awoke from his slumber to the sound of birds chirping in the early morning. A quick survey of the clearing Jade and himself had hunkered down in revealed that it was still clear of any danger.

A glance down reminded him he wasn't alone and he smiled. Curled up against him was Jade, her chest rising and falling with her breathing.

Even as he looked on the rising sun through the trees, he thought back on how they came to be like this.

Pre-Transition they'd been nothing more than students in their last year of College. Did the standard things: Study, go on dates, deal with their parents (read: mothers) asking them when the wedding was... and play ALO. To be honest, he couldn't remember who had gotten them in but it had happened and he honestly didn't regret it. It had been fun and another activity to do together.

Choosing the mercenary Spriggan race had been random, but it made it even better. He loved the ability to cause havoc and confusion among the enemy be they Player or Mob. Knowing every lightning spell in the game was just gravy on top. Though he still had no idea where Jade's preference for being the magical equivalent of a tactical weapon came from but it had both come in handy and made them infamous among the other players.

The Overkill Queen and the Blitzkrieg. Two of the strongest players in the game. Not quite up there with the likes of Eugene or Morgianna but still pretty strong.

When the Transition struck, things had gotten interesting. Waking up to flesh and blood Fae bodies had been a little jarring at first, but they'd adapted.

Getting reacquainted had been fun.

When the call for volunteers for Operation Dunkirk had been made, they'd been among the first to answer that hadn't been part of the Mob patrols or directly aligned with one of the Fae Lords.

The Battle of Newcastle had been a nightmare. Or rather, it had caused them. He still awoke at night, seeing the face of the first enemy soldier he had killed. He knew Jade did too. She'd killed more people than he did in the battle. Despite this, they'd lived up to their monikers. Or they had until Wardes had hit the field. The bastard had knocked him out of the fight and nearly done the same to Jade before the Black Swordsman and the Lightning Flash had intercepted him.

They'd married shortly after Dunkirk. Nearly dieing had made him realize just how short life could be.

The success at Dunkirk had bought time. The thwarting of the Gala operation had as well. But still war had come.

Cadenza had fallen. Freelia was under siege. Sylvain had been hit. Then winter had come and the fighting had come to a pause.

It's what lead to their current assignment. Raiding Req shipping, sowing terror and confusion among the troops, making a general nuisance of themselves behind enemy lines.

It had been a hell of a ride so far and with a little luck and a LOT of skill, they'd be at it for a long time to come.

Looking down again, Zeraku couldn't really bring himself to wake his wife. So he just pulled the blanket closer around them and drifted off to sleep.

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Hope you guys like it.
 
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Halkegenia Online – v3 – Epilogue Part 2
- Yes, the barracks and the "Princess and the Princess" episode which I believe Kirito had repressed any and all relevant memories of. Unfortunately for him neither Asuna nor Henrietta have forgotten.

- So... this was what that "Bloomer Club" was for!!

-Come to think of it, I don't think Sakuya would suffer from back-pain so much as she would suffer from neck-pain. That long a hair has to have some considerable weight... and is very hard to care and maintain. I'd imagine Lady Sakuya is a regular of a certain not-Twin Salamanders' cosmetic products. "Hair-weight reduction shampoo" anyone?

- Except Hyuuga is the toymaker child who presses her face to the window of her own shop and watches all those deliciously fat-pocketted customers in the street.

- I wouldn't call Hyuuga's skirt "faerie Style", Tristain Academy of Magic's girl uniform perhaps has even shorter skirts so it's not something that faeries brought with them. But then... after refreshing my "Hyuuga Memories" it seems Chief's skirt is extra-short.

- Well... they are the real life professional Trolls so it makes certain amount of sense for them to surpass the generally amateur cyber Trolls. For them being a Troll is the way of life!!

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Indeed, Henrietta had noticed the peculiarity, but only because it was what she had come to expect from Faeries. Even near to a Faerie city there were perhaps ten humans for every Faerie and all but a handful were clearly commoners. Commoners in heavy leather smocks and goggles like some sort of metal smiths. Commoners in sturdy working clothes conversing with their Faerie overseers. Even commoners and mages speaking quickly with one another and without formality. It was a moment more before Henrietta recognized that it was the commoner advising the mage. All very strange. Henrietta wondered if it was a strangeness that the rest of her Kingdom would be able to accept when it spilled from these walls.
This is the future you are seeing. And Future has a way of conquering the past.

- I like the way Magic and Technique blend. It might not seem all that impressive but it promises massed produced, high quality and cheaper steel in the long run. A High Quality work that would have been reserved for a favored retainer or an Officer can now be distributed among common troops.

- Yeah, creating electrical generators and engines without getting into too much technicalities is rather simple. In fact between Faeries, books in their libraries and Hal-magic they could have made some fairly sophisticated machines already (I checked it with some of my colleagues actually).

It's just that there are simpler, faster ways to achieve the same result... for now.

Once Albion is accessible for the Faeries they can put their IRL and post-transition knowledge to good use and literally mine gold out of wind. Q: Has anyone ever tried to make Wales agree to give them "right to build wind farms"?

- Man... Cpt. de Tott lacks ambition!! If Hyuuga's ideas work they can have real cannons that are maybe on-par with the WWII ones and the other junk the Church is hoarding. And I don't blame him for falling speechless.


- And it's a much bigger deal than some creepy Saint/Prophet wannabe, this Industrial Revolution (controlled and perfected).

Typo and stuff:
  • Espeically Especially the Fae.
  • There were days she could damn and bless her old regent in the same breath
  • But he was right about her feelings, which was why she took care even with Sakuya ...
  • The Chevalier de Millan Milan bowed her head politely before returning to assist the elderly Cardinal ...
  • They were arranged with ruler-like precision
  • the Duke de La Valliere stood between and behind the two parties, seeming to keep both at arm's length, or maybe out of arm's length of one another.
  • And with collateral that more than covers the treasuries treasury's contributions!"
  • as Mazarin had once called him behind closed doors 'a wretched bastard',
  • Henrietta could have simply ordered the munition's munitions officer to cooperate
  • Remember Captain that in our homeland we had to make due do without magic.
  • either and it's way more consistent than it should be.
  • ", the ingot disappeared back into Hyuuga's pocket
  • Tristain was so lousy with them that any person who spent long in the country would recognized the vulgar mechanism.
  • from brickwork onto smooth mage-formed floor polished until it glowed beneath the light of strips of hanging ore-lamps.
  • The basic idea of an lathe has been around forever.
  • We must have new models cannons of our own to match the ones fielded by Albio . . .
 
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Less wind-stone, but more fuel as that lift comes at the cost of greater air resistance. The also put all kinds of additional stresses upon the hull. Also, there has to either be fuel lines to each wing engine, or each of them is it's own self-contain system with it's own fuel tank. And those engines are big; either there using more magic to reenforce the wings so they don't break, or each engine has it's own dedicated wind-stone to provide life for the individual turbines.

The wings don't look THAT big. Granted the perspective of the picture is not really all that good, so its hard to tell how big they look without a human standing nearby, but there have been many big winged and big engine aircraft designed in our world. Spruce Goose anyone?

Wings might be involved in steering for normal airships, but for a powered ship it makes about as much sense as sails upon a steamboat.

So kind of like nearly all early coal powered steamboats?

 
The engines roared as they neared their target. Lelantos took another drink from his canteen to stead his shaking hand. To his right, the Tristainia sergeant first class he had been working with for the past year was enjoying a last smoke. A little ahead of him was a young private barfing his stomach on the deck.

"Clear the ramp! Thirty seconds! God be with you!" shouted the pilot from his perch toward the rear of the craft.

That was his cue, "Port side stead, starboard side steady. Move fast and clear those murder holes."

The men and women under Lelantos' command shifted slightly to get a better position for a running start while the sergeant gave them one last pep talk.

"There's going to be plenty of people between you. Five men is a juicy opportunity, one man is a waste of ammo," he said with conviction as an air current rocked the ship slightly.

"Keep sand out of your weapon. Keep those actions clear. I'll see you on the beach," Lelantos calmly said keeping his eyes facing forward.

The sound of the enemy defense artillery made itself known over the steady drone of the engine. A flak shot detonated nearby, the pieces of shrapnel bouncing harmlessly off the hull or raining down onto the soldiers to no ill effect. The closer they came to their destination the closer the sound of cannons and flak came.

The men made a few last second prayers as the pilot blew the whistle and the ramp began to fall. With a war cry Lelantos' soldiers stormed forth. But before the first man made it down the ramp a mass of grape shot carved his unit to pieces. The ones that survived were running under a hail of musket fire. Which though inaccurate, was still deadly.

Seeing another cannon lining up a shot on his transport he yelled, "Over the side! Over the side!" Bodily throwing the nearest soldier to him over as the cannon fired. He followed the soldier over and barely avoided get pureed by the canister round. All around him on the beach were other soldiers. Some were cut down by the withering volume of musket fire, exploded by land mines buried in the sand, or hit by the cannons closer to their objective.

The beach didn't have much cover. Only a series of wooden contraptions that stopped the dropships from landing closer to the enemy pillboxes. They were measly cover, but the Tristainians would make do. And so Lelantos dragged himself and the private he had thrown over to near nearest thing resembling cover.

Lelantos pulled the rifleless private behind the piss poor excuse for cover he had found well before a potentially fatal musket volley launched. 'Land at York,' they said. 'We gave them bad intel,' they said. They may have muzzle loaders but they're still tearing us a new one out here, Lelantos thought grumpily as he watched a nobleman try to rally his forces forward, straight into the jaws of an artillery strike. The cannons and staggered musket fire continued to rip into the landing transports destorying whole companies before they could disembark.

As he moved up another artillery strike hit. This one a little too close for comfort as it left his ears ringing and mind hazy from the blast. About ten meters in front of him, a fire mage was casting something. It backfired horrifically, killing him and the two soldiers unlucky enough to be next to him showering Lelantos in blood. Overhead a flaming troop transport went screaming by as soldiers desperately bailed out and tried to put their burning flesh out. He put the helmet that the blast knocked off his head on again and sound slowly returned to the world.

"- I said, what the hell do we do now, sir!" a corporal shouted in Lelantos' general direction. More importantly, Sergeant Roux was alive, kicking, and waving madly at him from his piece of cover.

"Sergeant Roux," Lelantos yelled over the sounds of explosions and musket fire, "move your men up!" Hearing what his commander told him Roux turned to the fighters near him. Said something Lelantos couldn't hear, then took off with ten other people up the beach.

"Sir! What's the rallying point?" asked the corporal.

"Anywhere but here!" was the best response the officer could give.

Slowly the survivors of his fifty soldier command began moving forward from cover to cover. Sometimes using the wooden barricades, other times using the blast craters of the cannon shells. All the while Lelantos and Sergeant Roux grabbed anyone and everyone that didn't have any idea what was going on and taking them up the beach. That was how they made it the one hundred meters to the palisades.

They weren't much, just some sticks in the ground at an angle so the enemy could still shoot at you. They would be easily surmountable if it weren't for the fact it would make you a sitting duck for enemy sharpshooters to pick you off. Some other soldiers had already made it to the wooden obstacle and noticed the arrival of Lelantos' company.

"Who's in charge here?" He shouted to the soldiers that were already there.

A private took one look at him and shouted back, "You are, sir!"

Great, how the hell did this happen to guy that worked in communications? he marveled mirthlessly. The answer was simple enough. He had been a soldier that worked in communications, and Fae with any kind of military experience tended to get fast tracked. Like Carmond, great guy, good with kids, but he was now the Command Sergeant Major for the division were in the JSDF he had been a sergeant. Hell, Lelantos himself had only been a Specialist a few months before only to be told, surprise, because he had military experience and magic he was now an officer. It took a good hour and a half for that to fully sink in.

Fuck it. "Sergeant Roux! Do you recognize where we are!"

"We're right where we're supposed to be, but no one else is!" was the reply. In between them one of the Tristainian regulars was desperately digging a shallow foxhole. Another soldier, a sergeant climbed over the digging regular to yell, "We're all mixed up sir! We got the left overs from Fox company, Able company, and George company!"

"Is everybody here?" Sergeant Roux bellowed looking at the assembled soldiers.

"We're still missing that Undine, Metis! She was fixing someone up who was so bad, she said he sprung a hundred leaks! She's probably gonna be all used up!"

"Get her attention!"

"Metis! Metis! Metis!" The group began shouting throwing random bits of equipment in the general direction of her and three other medics.

"Get her off the beach," Lelantos said to the Gemainian next to him. When he came back the usually mild mannered Undine was swearing up a storm. While the Germainian pulled the raging Metis to the palisade Lelantos and Roux got their bearings. Minds made up they agreed to push forward again after the troops they had gathered as many weapons and as much ammo as possible.

"Reiben," Sergeant Roux said to get the Germainian's attention, "Reiben, where's your heavy rifle?"

"Bitch tried to send me off the cliff."

"Find a replacement."

"Bangalores, we need some bangalores!"

Moments later a team of demomen were placing the pipes of explosives in the palisades base. After arming the priming charge and shoving them over to the other side they got the hell out as a plume of smoke, sand, and wood chips came from where the bangalores where.

Sergeant Roux turned to the soldiers with him shouting, "We're in business! Defilade, other side of the hole!" As the mixed Tristainian, Germainia, and Faerie forces poured forth into the breach.

There was a battle to win.

-=-=-
The invasion of Albion as a rehash of Saving Private Ryan.
 
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The engines roared as they neared their target. Lelantos took another drink from his canteen to stead his shaking hand. To his right, the Tristainia sergeant first class he had been working with for the past year was enjoying a last smoke. A little ahead of him was a young private barfing his stomach on the deck.

"Clear the ramp! Thirty seconds! God be with you!" shouted the pilot from his perch toward the rear of the craft.

That was his cue, "Port side stead, starboard side steady. Move fast and clear those murder holes."

The men and women under Lelantos' command shifted slightly to get a better position for a running start while the sergeant gave them one last pep talk.

"There's going to be plenty of people between you. Five men is a juicy opportunity, one man is a waste of ammo," he said with conviction as an air current rocked the ship slightly.

"Keep sand out of your weapon. Keep those actions clear. I'll see you on the beach," Lelantos calmly said keeping his eyes facing forward.

The sound of the enemy defense artillery made itself known over the steady drone of the engine. A flak shot detonated nearby, the pieces of shrapnel bouncing harmlessly off the hull or raining down onto the soldiers to no ill effect. The closer they came to their destination the closer the sound of cannons and flak came.

The men made a few last second prayers as the pilot blew the whistle and the ramp began to fall. With a war cry Lelantos' soldiers stormed forth. But before the first man made it down the ramp a mass of grape shot carved his unit to pieces. The ones that survived were running under a hail of musket fire. Which though inaccurate, was still deadly.

Seeing another cannon lining up a shot on his transport he yelled, "Over the side! Over the side!" Bodily throwing the nearest soldier to him over as the cannon fired. He followed the soldier over and barely avoided get pureed by the canister round. All around him on the beach were other soldiers. Some were cut down by the withering volume of musket fire, exploded by land mines buried in the sand, or hit by the cannons closer to their objective.

The beach didn't have much cover. Only a series of wooden contraptions that stopped the dropships from landing closer to the enemy pillboxes. They were measly cover, but the Tristainians would make do. And so Lelantos dragged himself and the private he had thrown over to near nearest thing resembling cover.

Lelantos pulled the rifleless private behind the piss poor excuse for cover he had found well before a potentially fatal musket volley launched. 'Land at York,' they said. 'We gave them bad intel,' they said. They may have muzzle loaders but they're still tearing us a new one out here, Lelantos thought grumpily as he watched a nobleman try to rally his forces forward, straight into the jaws of an artillery strike. The cannons and staggered musket fire continued to rip into the landing transports destorying whole companies before they could disembark.

As he moved up another artillery strike hit. This one a little too close for comfort as it left his ears ringing and mind hazy from the blast. About ten meters in front of him, a fire mage was casting something. It backfired horrifically, killing him and the two soldiers unlucky enough to be next to him showering Lelantos in blood. Overhead a flaming troop transport went screaming by as soldiers desperately bailed out and tried to put their burning flesh out. He put the helmet that the blast knocked off his head on again and sound slowly returned to the world.

"- I said, what the hell do we do now, sir!" a corporal shouted in Lelantos' general direction. More importantly, Sergeant Roux was alive, kicking, and waving madly at him from his piece of cover.

"Sergeant Roux," Lelantos yelled over the sounds of explosions and musket fire, "move your men up!" Hearing what his commander told him Roux turned to the fighters near him. Said something Lelantos couldn't hear, then took off with ten other people up the beach.

"Sir! What's the rallying point?" asked the corporal.

"Anywhere but here!" was the best response the officer could give.

Slowly the survivors of his fifty soldier command began moving forward from cover to cover. Sometimes using the wooden barricades, other times using the blast craters of the cannon shells. All the while Lelantos and Sergeant Roux grabbed anyone and everyone that didn't have any idea what was going on and taking them up the beach. That was how they made it the one hundred meters to the palisades.

They weren't much, just some sticks in the ground at an angle so the enemy could still shoot at you. They would be easily surmountable if it weren't for the fact it would make you a sitting duck for enemy sharpshooters to pick you off. Some other soldiers had already made it to the wooden obstacle and noticed the arrival of Lelantos' company.

"Who's in charge here?" He shouted to the soldiers that were already there.

A private took one look at him and shouted back, "You are, sir!"

Great, how the hell did this happen to guy that worked in communications? he marveled mirthlessly. The answer was simple enough. He had been a soldier that worked in communications, and Fae with any kind of military experience tended to get fast tracked. Like Carmond, great guy, good with kids, but he was now the Command Sergeant Major for the division were in the JSDF he had been a sergeant. Hell, Lelantos himself had only been a Specialist a few months before only to be told, surprise, because he had military experience and magic he was now an officer. It took a good hour and a half for that to fully sink in.

Fuck it. "Sergeant Roux! Do you recognize where we are!"

"We're right where we're supposed to be, but no one else is!" was the reply. In between them one of the Tristainian regulars was desperately digging a shallow foxhole. Another soldier, a sergeant climbed over the digging regular to yell, "We're all mixed up sir! We got the left overs from Fox company, Able company, and George company!"

"Is everybody here?" Sergeant Roux bellowed looking at the assembled soldiers.

"We're still missing that Undine, Metis! She was fixing someone up who was so bad, she said he sprung a hundred leaks! She's probably gonna be all used up!"

"Get her attention!"

"Metis! Metis! Metis!" The group began shouting throwing random bits of equipment in the general direction of her and three other medics.

"Get her off the beach," Lelantos said to the Gemainian next to him. When he came back the usually mild mannered Undine was swearing up a storm. While the Germainian pulled the raging Metis to the palisade Lelantos and Roux got there bearings. Minds made up they agreed to push forward again after the troops they had gathered as many weapons and as much ammo as possible.

"Reiben," Sergeant Roux said to get the Germainian's attention, "Reiben, where's your heavy rifle?"

"Bitch tried to send me off the cliff."

"Find a replacement."

"Bangalores, we need some bangalores!"

Moments later a team of demomen were placing the pipes of explosives in the palisades base. After arming the priming charge and shoving them over to the other side they got the hell out as a plum of smoke, sand, and wood chips came from where the bangalores where.

Sergeant Roux turned to the soldiers with him shouting, "We're in business! Defilade, other side of the hole!" As the mixed Tristainian, Germainia, and Faerie forces poured forth into the breach.

There was a battle to win.

-=-=-
The invasion of Albion as a rehash of Saving Private Ryan.
I'll be honest... This is one of the cooler things I've read. I imagine the Reconquista troops to have groups firing while the rest of their squads reload the muskets for them to keep up that amount of fire, even with support from grape/canister shot.
 
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