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Halkegenia Online Thread 22 - Kill Sheffield Vol. 2

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GeshronTyler said:
Asuna and Kirito very likely will want to refuse any suggestion of Asuna assuming/exercising any of "Titania's" supposed perogatives. Other than things like being friends with the Djinn, and possibly needing to act as a deterrent against Octavia "acting out. " Asuna can't do anything about the fact that her Maeve form comes with baggage, but she hardly would want to actually try to play the part.

Octavia has already recognized that Asuna is mortal, that "Titania" is no longer the godlike being that had helped to form Alfheim, though her defeat has shown Octavia that she's not quite queen of the hill.

Since Asuna and Kirito would not be eager for her to play "Titania", they would want to resolve the situation with 'Tavi as quickly and simply as possible. I.e., they won't want be keeping 'Tavi at home with them.

"Titania" gave 'Tavi her tiara, so there could be a connection to Asuna, but it would of necessity be a latent one.

Since Solomon has appeared, I think it plausible that "he" (in the guise of wise man) might be able to facilitate some kind of binding/seal/geas arrangement using the Tiara (or maybe Asuna keeps the Black Pearl for a while, which reduces Octavia's available power?) that would restrain Octavia for some time.

At the very least, Asuna ought to clear things up with 'Tavi regarding Oberon, but I doubt that miss "Abyssal Queen" is going to be receptive to "the truth of Alfheim".
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On that note, I get the sinking feeling that the Tristainians are going to find out about this sooner or later (ie that Asuna is the 'Queen of Alfheim') and it will result in a massive diplomatic incident... or pass completely under the radar at the behest of Henrietta.

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As for the upcoming war I'm betting that Tarbes is something of a last gasp of the Albion Navy. Their losses at York and Newcastle hit them hard with an entire section of the fleet destroyed or captured. This time around Louise wouldn't be there either so the Fae will have to pick up the slack. Did TRIST ever find the Zero or was that replaced by the Huey? I imagine the ground assault will run into some stiff resistance considering that the pixies have tamed a large number of the forest mobs not to mention the pixies themselves or the local human militia (did that field boss have any children by chance?)

For the Tristain counter strike, the main push for a ground war will come from the surviving Albionian Royalists and Prince Wales while the Cardinal and the Fae will advise a blockade and starving the Reconquista out. When Henrietta gives a green light to the ground invasion they probably won't advance as rapidly as canon. Why? Because Mortimer will realize he's in danger of out running him supply lines and, unlike Patton, is in charge of infantry not armor. The more solidified support structure will be able to push back against the 70k strong ground force that Reconquista fields.

However, going off what Sheffield was thinking about last time we saw her there might be some of her wonderful experiments involved in the war. Which will make it much longer and bloodier, but also give the UKS (United Kingdoms) forces to learn their weaknesses before facing the refined versions later on when Joseph decides to kill everyone.

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Alfa290 said:
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The Albion navy actually isn't targeting Tarbes. Their aiming for the fortress city of Freelia, the Cait home town (good luck with that).

The Huey did indeed replace the Zero fighter.

As for attacking Albion, they don't have the ships or firepower to try unless the Albion navy is completely destroyed in the coming months. For the most part they seem to be planning a defensive war and potentially sending raiding parties to keep the Albion forces running all over the island trying to put out fires.
 
Alfa290 said:
On that note, I get the sinking feeling that the Tristainians are going to find out about this sooner or later (ie that Asuna is the 'Queen of Alfheim') and it will result in a massive diplomatic incident... or pass completely under the radar at the behest of Henrietta.
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It has been explained to them that ALO was game/illusion.

So it won't create any incident since none of the titles other then those granted by Heneritta are real.
 
jwolfe_beta said:
The Albion navy actually isn't targeting Tarbes. Their aiming for the fortress city of Freelia, the Cait home town (good luck with that).
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They'd have to attack Freelia first anyway because it's location makes it the first obstacle between Albion and Tristan. Though my guess is they won't be able to take the fortress city so much as generally damage and blockade it while the rest of their forces make a beach head on the mainland.

As for attacking Albion, they don't have the ships or firepower to try unless the Albion navy is completely destroyed in the coming months. For the most part they seem to be planning a defensive war and potentially sending raiding parties to keep the Albion forces running all over the island trying to put out fires.
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Considering their overzealousness and general arrogance, I'd be surprised if Cromwell and his inner-circle don't insist Admiral Blake spend more ships on taking Tristan that he'd rather keep back for Albion's defense against potential raids from Germania. Though that will depend on if taking Tarbes becomes a desperate attempt to keep the invasion going, or if it's like canon and is just a disastrous turning point that was completely unexpected.

But in either case, it's still going to take Germania's aid to take back Albion. It will certainly be interesting to see how a meeting between Henrietta, Wales, and the Emperor plays out.
 
End Bringer said:
They'd have to attack Freelia first anyway because it's location makes it the first obstacle between Albion and Tristan. Though my guess is they won't be able to take the fortress city so much as generally damage and blockade it while the rest of their forces make a beach head on the mainland.
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Well they could also bypass Freelia entirely and hit someplace else in the country.

Personally if it were me I would send a couple fast cutters to firebomb some of the grain fields. Maybe have some dragon knights do a quick strike on Tristain's shipyards or powder mills.
 
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End Bringer said:
But in either case, it's still going to take Germania's aid to take back Albion. It will certainly be interesting to see how a meeting between Henrietta, Wales, and the Emperor plays out.
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How much do we know about the Emperor in ZnT canon? Is he ever shown on-screen?
Vaermina said:
Well they could also bypass Freelia entirely and hit someplace else in the country.

Personally if it were me I would send a couple fast cutters to firebomb some of the grain fields. Maybe have some dragon knights do a quick strike on Tristain's shipyards or powder mills.
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The battle of Freelia will have more to do with propaganda/morale purposes than actual strategic ones. Reconquista needs its own Operation Dunkirk.

Also, I doubt dragon knights can cross the entire channel by themselves without airship support. Dragons simply don't have that kind of endurance. I can see lightning raids by Albionian fast cutters happening, but any vessel large enough to transport dragons has a chance of being discovered and run down by Tristainian ships.

When dragons show up and start burninating shit, the first responders will be focusing on them, but all it takes is one guy remembering that there's probably a mothership somewhere around and calling in Navy vessels.
 
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Alfa290 said:
On that note, I get the sinking feeling that the Tristainians are going to find out about this sooner or later (ie that Asuna is the 'Queen of Alfheim') and it will result in a massive diplomatic incident... or pass completely under the radar at the behest of Henrietta.
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Asuna is already knighted in the service of Henrietta though, and Sakuya is official the de-facto political representative of Alfheim. Asuna would at best be considered "Queen of the Mobs". She and Henrietta would likely work something in between thinking up more embarrassing stuff for Kirito to wear...

Also, this thread requires appropriate MUSIC!

 
Vaermina said:
Well they could also bypass Freelia entirely and hit someplace else in the country.

Personally if it were me I would send a couple fast cutters to firebomb some of the grain fields. Maybe have some dragon knights do a quick strike on Tristain's shipyards or powder mills.
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It's generally not a good idea to have a base free as a staging area to attack your forces from behind. And while doubtlessly Reconquista is going to do damage to the land, they likely aren't going to initiate an intentional scorched-earth campaign, as that would be counter-productive to ruling over it later. It's probably going to be a case of individual commanders and units being rampaging assholes, than general strategy.

The less said about the suicidal stupidity of sending units that deep into Tristan without first establishing their own fortifications to support them, the better.
 
SVNB Backup said:
The battle of Freelia will have more to do with propaganda/morale purposes than actual strategic ones. Reconquista needs its own Operation Dunkirk.
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They already kind of got that when Shiori attacked that town.

Not much better for Moral then showing your enemy using Dark Magic to try to burn down a town full of innocents. :(

Also, I doubt dragon knights can cross the entire channel by themselves without airship support. Dragons simply don't have that kind of endurance. I can see lightning raids by Albionian fast cutters happening, but any vessel large enough to transport dragons has a chance of being discovered and run down by Tristainian ships.
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Why wouldn't the Dragons be able to make the trip? :confused:

It's only an hour or two trip for them at their normal cruising speed.



End Bringer said:
It's generally not a good idea to have a base free as a staging area to attack your forces from behind. And while doubtlessly Reconquista is going to do damage to the land, they likely aren't going to initiate an intentional scorched-earth campaign, as that would be counter-productive to ruling over it later. It's probably going to be a case of individual commanders and units being rampaging assholes, than general strategy.
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Yes, but they have the entire 300 some km coast to choose from for such a base.
 
Vaermina said:
They already kind of got that when Shiori attacked that town.

Not much better for Moral then showing your enemy using Dark Magic to try to burn down a town full of innocents. :(
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Uh, no Vaer, that's pretty fucking bad for morale. The dragon knights failed to protect those innocents, failed to prevent the burning of the town. The Shiori may have been physically defeated, but it was a Pyrrhic victory for the Albionians, even with five-on-three odds in favor of 4th Squadron. Even worse, the Shiori are still at large.
Why wouldn't the Dragons be able to make the trip? :confused:

It's only an hour or two trip for them at their normal cruising speed.
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Really? What's the width of the channel, and how far are the Albion shore bases from Tristain's shipyards?
 
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Vaermina said:
They already kind of got that when Shiori attacked that town.

Not much better for Moral then showing your enemy using Dark Magic to try to burn down a town full of innocents. :(
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Riiiiight. Nothing's able to boost one's confidence than to hear a single enemy is capable of wide spread damage with eldritch power. *rolls eyes*

Yes, but they have the entire 300 some km coast to choose from for such a base.
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Which is why they'll be able to move on, even if Freelia doesn't fall, but if you think they can by-pass it without doing anything, and not expect consequences, you might as well argue they can simply dance around every base and city without engaging anything.

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Oh hey, I found the perfect pic for the Leprechaun capital.
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What's the source you get these from?
 
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SVNB Backup said:
Uh, no Vaer, that's pretty fucking bad for morale. The dragon knights failed to protect those innocents, failed to prevent the burning of the town. The Shiori may have been physically defeated, but it was a Pyrrhic victory for the Albionians, even with five-on-three odds in favor of 4th Squadron. Even worse, the Shiori are still at large.
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You are forgetting the "Dark Magic" that was used.

That means they can turn the entire thing around by having the Victorious Knights drive away actual Demons. Which will fire up the peoples religious indignation and hatred of the Fae. While reinforcing the righteousness of Reconquesta's cause.

Really? What's the width of the channel, and how far are the Albion shore bases from Tristain's shipyards?
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Depends what time of the day and what day of the month it is.

But on average it is probably somewhere between 100 to 300 km going by the maps.
 
Vaermina said:
Well they could also bypass Freelia entirely and hit someplace else in the country.

Personally if it were me I would send a couple fast cutters to firebomb some of the grain fields. Maybe have some dragon knights do a quick strike on Tristain's shipyards or powder mills.
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  • "What are supply lines?"
  • "Explain logistics to me."
  • "How do I plan a long term campaign in a foreign land?"
  • "Making the locals interested in joining us is too hard."
  • "What is defence in depth?"
  • "I don't understand the tactical and strategic significance of all faeries being air capable."
  • "What do you mean dragons have restricted range?"
  • "What do you mean we can't just fly over Tristain?"
  • "What does low morale have to do with anything?"
  • "Why are my men not coming back from raids?"
  • "Can't we just bypass all the fortresses?"
  • "It's not like military technology and doctrine will advance quickly, right?"
 
Vaermina said:
You are forgetting the "Dark Magic" that was used.

That means they can turn the entire thing around by having the Victorious Knights drive away actual Demons. Which will fire up the peoples religious indignation and hatred of the Fae. While reinforcing the righteousness of Reconquesta's cause.
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Some might hold to that view, some might note that an entire squadron of "Victorious Knights" weren't able to prevent three Demons from killing hundreds of people.

Also, what happens when the same damned demons show up again and start setting more shit on fire?
Depends what time of the day and what day of the month it is.

But on average it is probably somewhere between 100 to 300 km going by the maps.
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I'm thinking that the channel's equivalent of the Strait of Dover is guarded on the Tristainian side, so the Albionians probably can't use that for a raid. On the one hand the Albionian dragon knights can probably just glide down across all or most of the channel, such is their bullshit altitude advantage, so you may have a point here. On the other hand, look at NPC's post above mine.
 
Unfortunately vaer had a point. They can play up the slaughter of innocent civilians and whip the flogging common solders into a rage and have a majority of the population screaming for blood
 
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Aiel said:
Unfortunately bear had a point. They can play up the slaughter of innocent civilians and whip the flogging common solders into a rage and have a majority of the population screaming for blood
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While people would generally believe anything you can't really silence a good rumor and chances are at this point in time the rumors have spread too fast and too far at this point. Also you have to recall not every soldier truly believes the cause, a good chunk of them are just following orders
 
Eh the but, if you can get your version of events it faster the more likely that it will be believed. Also the slaughter of 300 civvies would really really cast doubt in the benevolence of the fea
 
Aiel said:
Unfortunately bear had a point. They can play up the slaughter of innocent civilians and whip the flogging common solders into a rage and have a majority of the population screaming for blood
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That's not boosting morale. It's incensing a mob. And Reconquista doesn't need any more ammunition than the fact the Fae are 'non-humans' to rile people up.
 
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