Halkegenia Online Thread 14 - How I Learned to Stop Worrying And Love The Salamander

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Will edit and add conclusion tomorrow.

Halkegenia Online – Arrun Parallel Stories – Melancholy Hearts - Part III

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- Yeah. I gotta agree with Saito on this. Even the neatest kitchen has some distinct signs of being used to it. Asuna's kitchen looked unused. Neither dirty, nor mildly dirty nor even obsessively cleaned. Usually roof can tell plenty about a Kitchen and its master(s).

- I'm pretty sure Kiriyu is fighting away waves of admirers to keep Saito to enjoy his peace.... He is classified as "Cute", has an important job, is very mature and polite about it too. And he treats his "younger sister" well... I wonder how many of his trainees have an eye on him?

- Yuuki's rather clever and very perspective for her age. And of course there's the shared pain.

- Clever educational plan thus far. Keep the Children busy and teaches them skills they would need in the future.

- I almost cheered when noticed " sharing an improvised bedroom" with my font it looks like " sharingan improvised bedroom"... shame, could have become my favorite typo....

- HOLY MOTHER OF FANSERVICE!!!!!

- Yup that seals the deal. The Classic "Walking in on her in the shower" is just too big a sign to ignore!! God!! She even hit him!! Also since Saito had seen a water-Faery naked while bathing he has to take responsibility... if this gets out (and it will DEFINITELY gets out) Saito can never live it down...

Takai's going to be one mean [<Older Brother]> here...

- And I was thinking "She caused them this embarrassment. And now she's run away " too.... I see a massive prank on Yuuki coming up in the near future.

- And I believe Irene suddenly remembered she is not a reasonable woman of forties/fifties and is in fact a girl of fourteen/fifteen too.

- Ya know... considering this is from Saito's PoV and how Irene is described... is that magic in the air?

- "Eh!!" indeed!! Guess this would lead to a beautiful friendship (*Does the "I got my eyes on you" thing with his hands* be on your best behaviors young man - Takai) and an even more beautiful relationship.

Excellent job!!

Typo and stuff (Thank you Zeful and divad):

Also apparently it is Konno Yuuki, so TH might want to replace all the "Yuki" up there too. Unless of course the characters intentionally broke her name. After all, with one exception, she was referred to as "Yuki" only when characters were talking to her. In this case, clever TH, very clever.

• equipment or simply hangout hang out
• Peaking Peeking through half-opened doors, the Sylph youth
• Saito was impressed[,] .
• suddenly here eyes went wide
• sun that was Sono Konno Yuuki
• Yuki Yuuki explained proudly
• all stone, and and glass
• A pair of wide glass double doors were opened out onto a rot wrought iron landing, admitting a pleasant morning breeze.
• Footsteps Foot steps echoed
• a Persian carpet was layed laid
• she surveyed the the cluttered
• Eyes closed and lost within an inner
• unwelcome to his consciouss mind
• Peeking Peaking out through one eye
• Not at all the sound of someone who was anry angry.
• She gestured over to the her dresser
• discover it was unamaged undamaged

Isn't it 4th?

Btw, it me or we have an avalanche of side stories? I think there were 14 Side stories since the 1st January... Not that I complain

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Nope, it's the third bit. The one that caused confusion was originally a leftover bit of part II.

 

[Zeful]

Another typo:

-"I wonder if this building is based on anything?" Saito mused as they climbed the rot iron steps.
the word is "wrought".

 

[Chaoswind]

Oh fucks I almost forgot about Tiffia's Mind raping ability.
Another point as to why Elves would like to have her Alive with them. She can destroy mind of any void mage on spot without much of a problem, she need just a little training and bit of good old propaganda to make her hate humans, and fight of the good of elven race.

The more we discuses about Tiffia, the bigger ace in Elven sleeves she is.

She just need a bit of molding and can be a terrifying villain! I think I'm onto something.

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Believe it or not that was the intended purpose of my suggestions so many threads ago.

Sheffield gets Tiffa.
Hands her to Joseph and Vidashal.
Tiffa gets influenced by good old Vidashal and joins the elven cause.
Joseph trains Tiffa as a void battlemage in exchange of Tiffania mind rape spells services (teachings).

Because as far as I care the music box gives Joseph the mind rape spells in canon and those spells are out of his reach in HalkO because the music box is out of reach.

Others would say Joseph never uses mind rape spells in canon, but the narrative in ZnT is not omniscient, and let's be honest Joseph having the some of the spell tree of the mind rape void spells goes a long way to explain things (Aside Joseph being a villain sue).

Then again that would clash with void puppet #1 aka Louise and would leave the good guys of tristain with no access to any form of void magic... With can be either good or bad depending what are TH plans.

Random crap follows.


Void mage views of the world as seen by Chaoswind:
#1 Joseph: Chaotic Neutral.
#2 Vittorio: Lawful Evil.
#3 Louise: Lawful Neutral.
#4 Tiffania: Neutral Good

 

[Chaoswind]

Oh fucks I almost forgot about Tiffia's Mind raping ability.
Another point as to why Elves would like to have her Alive with them. She can destroy mind of any void mage on spot without much of a problem, she need just a little training and bit of good old propaganda to make her hate humans, and fight of the good of elven race.

The more we discuses about Tiffia, the bigger ace in Elven sleeves she is.

She just need a bit of molding and can be a terrifying villain! I think I'm onto something.

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[Chaoswind]

I think you are missing something, or the phone screwed me over...

Let's see.

Yes... Its supposed to be.

Sheffield gets Tiffa.
Gets her under control (threaten the orphans!).
Hands her to Joseph and Vidashal.
(Silent steps)
Vidashal discover Joseph is a void mage and not just the king of Galia.
Joseph defeats Vidashal (epic battle there).
Tiffania mind rapes Vidashal under orders of Joseph.
Joseph teaches some battle void spells to Tiffania, in exchange of her void mind rape spells

(Let's be honest Joseph is more interested in screwing the church dogmas and throwing the lands into chaos; what can be better than an Elf with the sacred void?)

Then Joseph inevitably dies (why!!!!)
Tiffania goes to the east in the company of Vidashal.

Back to work!!!!

 

[Chaoswind]

Once again I hold the belief that in canon Joseph had the mind rape spells thanks to the music box, otherwise the plot makes little sense.

To me Vidashal got himself mind raped in canon... Why would he tell his fellow elves he was following Joseph because he was charismatic? That is a rather stupid excuse considering Vidashal was in the company of both Joseph and Sheffield for months.

 

[NecroMac]

I personally don't like idea of badass elf being mindraped and enslaved by Joseph. And we can always make Tiffia and Elves a forth force int the mix.

Faction 1: Fea and Tristan
Goal fea faction one: Peaceful lives within this new world.
Goal fea faction two: Finding a way home.
Goal Tristan: Having fea to strengthen their country. (It's very possible that Tristan will try to secretly sabotage Fea's plans to return home. Fea's knowledge and power is too viable to just let it just vanish.)
(While there is part of Tristan that doesn't accept fea, after failed kidnapping and Royal cleansing, this faction should be really weak right now.)

Faction 2: Albion and Joseph
Goal Joseph: Use anything and anyone to make as much chaos and destruction in Halk
Goal Reconquista: Nation free from Royal family power, Holy Crusade to gain Elven riches(?).

Faction 3: Church and Louise
Church: Protection for Brimiric nations, Holy Crusade to avert Windstone Crisis.
Louise: Protecting her family and country, finding what the hell is she.

Faction 4: "Overlady" Tiffia and Elves that controls her
Goal Tiffia: Protecting the orphans, finding her heritage.
Goal Elves: Destroy any possibility for humans to cast genocide spell.

Also, we should not label any of this faction good or bad(maybe beside Joseph). Because while elves might do a lot of damage to humans, they do so in order to not be wiped out. Church do the same.
Hell, if church(or Joseph) manages to convince fea that elven gate is a way to their home, they will get quite a lot of support from our heroes to defeat elves and reach their inner sanctum.

We can not forget that each character should have some kind of goal that he want to make real, and all action he or she do are made in order to achieve said goal.

 

[mdkcde]

ALO happened in 2025 and given the tech level of the setting unless Daisuke dies in the next few years he is going to outlive KoKo by a very very large margin. Doubly so given they are only 5-15 years away from reliable mind uploading technology.

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I doubt it, and wasn't there something about fluctlight that limited the total lifespan of an uploaded mind to 150 years before irreparable degradation or something?

Also you are bringing your fanon into it, which is not going to happen.

 

[besbin]

Hell, if church(or Joseph) manages to convince fea that elven gate is a way to their home, they will get quite a lot of support from our heroes to defeat elves and reach their inner sanctum.

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Since the elves and Fae goal doesn't actually oppose each other. In fact if the Fae just peacefully go through elven territory and straight home then the elves might even benefit from all the techs and artifacts that got left behind. The elves only have problems with human because of their history and opposite interest i.e. control of the holy land. So diplomacy, not all out open warfare would be the better choice if the Fae want to achieve their goal of reaching Shaitan gate

 

[revanninja]

Since the elves and Fae goal doesn't actually oppose each other. In fact if the Fae just peacefully go through elven territory and straight home then the elves might even benefit from all the techs and artifacts that got left behind. The elves only have problems with human because of their history and opposite interest i.e. control of the holy land. So diplomacy, not all out open warfare would be the better choice if the Fae want to achieve their goal of reaching Shaitan gate

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That isnt true on the human side of things.

Since the elves seem to have gone to war with the humans after Brimir killed the Vaulag I think it was using his kill spell which in turn killed half the elf population.

We can assume that the result of the spell though at the time unintentional was the reason why the elves went to war.

They kicked the humans out of the Homeland and have kept it all these years.

They are also Hostile to all humans even Rub Ali Khali not just Halk they get special attention because of the Void. As far as we know Rub is not in anyway connected to Halk magic system so there is no reason for them to be hostile that we are aware of.

And they fear the Void and call its users demons.

They also consider themselves superior and treat everyone like so.

So its not just the History that is the issue its basically everything at this point.

And I dont know if it would be that peaceful since clearly at this point the Fae are allied with the Halks and are also superior.

Plus they are connected to the void.

 

[NecroMac]

The question is if Elves will trust the Fea that much, given their connections with humans.

Sure, their relationships are not as bad, but giving them access to magical artifact within heart of their territory seems like a bit too much.
With this fea might have two ways to reach the gate:
1. By diplomacy.
2. By force.
And it depending on how much radical the fea are and on amount of Church(Joseph)'s influence over them. With that, it might go one way or the other.

 

[besbin]

That isnt true on the human side of things.

Since the elves seem to have gone to war with the humans after Brimir killed the Vaulag I think it was using his kill spell which in turn killed half the elf population.

We can assume that the result of the spell though at the time unintentional was the reason why the elves went to war.

They kicked the humans out of the Homeland and have kept it all these years.

They are also Hostile to all humans even Rub Ali Khali not just Halk they get special attention because of the Void. As far as we know Rub is not in anyway connected to Halk magic system so there is no reason for them to be hostile that we are aware of.

And they fear the Void and call its users demons.

They also consider themselves superior and treat everyone like so.

So its not just the History that is the issue its basically everything at this point.

And I dont know if it would be that peaceful since clearly at this point the Fae are allied with the Halks and are also superior.

Plus they are connected to the void.

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I didn't say the Elves have no problem with human. I said that the elves so far have had no problem, conflicts, history with the Fae and there for no basis for hatred again each other. The Fae in a few years of peace can present an equal force in technology to the elves maybe even outmatch them (Elves spirit power can't extend to high and their ships are just machine powered airship with rifled cannon at best). That would represent a balance in diplomacy that would make the elves think twice before using force against them. So unless the elves are bloodthirsty racist a-holes that every human make them out to be I don't see a reason why they wouldn't be open for a negotiation.

The Fae have human allies sure, but if you are my enemy, and I have a big buddy that can kick your asses but he is reasonable enough to talk to you and negotiate a neutral deal, would you or would you not lending them an ear? The connection to the void might be an issue with some elves but if that is the basis to make a nation public decision then we would also need to kill all Germain cause they are related to Hitler.

The question is if Elves will trust the Fea that much, given their connections with humans.

Sure, their relationships are not as bad, but giving them access to magical artifact within heart of their territory seems like a bit too much.
With this fea might have two ways to reach the gate:
1. By diplomacy.
2. By force.

And it depending on how much radical the fea are and on amount of Church(Joseph)'s influence over them. With that, it might go one way or the other.

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It's a negotiable deal. It might not be easy but still it's much better than open warfare and bloodshed. The Fae at the end of the day are still 21th century civilian of one of the most prosperous first world country so the portion of radical extremist that want to slaughter every single opposition forces out there would be minimal. What Joseph and the church can do is political sabotage like fault flag operation on Fae and elves position, propagandas and maybe assassination to cause trouble for the negotiation effort. But it's greatly depend on how good Joseph and the church agents are at those, cause if one of those operation fail, it's gonna be a huge blow to their future diplomacy effort with both the Fae and Elves

 

[revanninja]

I didn't say the Elves have no problem with human. I said that the elves so far have had no problem, conflicts, history with the Fae and there for no basis for hatred again each other. The Fae in a few years of peace can present an equal force in technology to the elves maybe even outmatch them (Elves spirit power can't extend to high and their ships are just machine powered airship with rifled cannon at best). That would represent a balance in diplomacy that would make the elves think twice before using force against them. So unless the elves are bloodthirsty racist a-holes that every human make them out to be I don't see a reason why they wouldn't be open for a negotiation.

The Fae have human allies sure, but if you are my enemy, and I have a big buddy that can kick your asses but he is reasonable enough to talk to you and negotiate a neutral deal, would you or would you not lending them an ear? The connection to the void might be an issue with some elves but if that is the basis to make a nation public decision then we would also need to kill all Germain cause they are related to Hitler.

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While this seems reasonable I doubt its going to be as easy as that.

In Fact no I no its not.

The elves are the top dogs right now.

Suddenly they have a new player one who looks like them and is clearly allied with humans and if word gets out about the void connection they are not going to be happy.

And the elves are racist or at least having leanings towards it from Vol 18. Vol 19 from the summary also shows more leaning but I am unsure how much since I have gotten to read it since no english version as of yet.

So chances are good the Elves are going to do something foolish what it will be I have no idea but there is too much for them not to do something.

So I doubt very much its going to be as peaceful or as easy as you seem to think it is in fact I wouldnt be surprised if the elves and Fae fought against eacxh other until the elves have it pounded into their head the Fae are not some sick joke inflicted on them by Demons.

This has too many ear-marks for something stupid to happen.

 

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I'm not sure what you are saying here... so what I write is in response to my best guess, please bear with it:

IIRC as far as TH said the Elves of HalO are rather pleased with themselves and overly flattered by their own superiority. Not evil or genocidal on principle (and not even in the same sense as Jotuns), just colossal douchebags with delusions about their superiority and while this faulty self-image is rooted in reality, it is not exactly a reality.

This sort of behavior tends to make people wary and mistrustful of them, and also places Elves in a position where they more likely than not answer any challenge to their supreme superiority with something "We are smarter, wiser and prettier than you, so naturally if we take your water sources for ourselves it is for your own good, you idiotic savage barbarian monkey you." and never accepting that maybe they are wrong.

Hence war/conflict with their non-Halk neighbors and possibly Faeries. This sort of sense of self-superiority makes making new friends and accepting them very very hard.

Huh, I make them sound like grumpy old geezers (or Eldar W40K)...

Cool avatar btw.

 

[revanninja]

I'm not sure what you are saying here... so what I write is in response to my best guess, please bear with it:

IIRC as far as TH said the Elves of HalO are rather pleased with themselves and overly flattered by their own superiority. Not evil or genocidal on principle (and not even in the same sense as Jotuns), just colossal douchebags with delusions about their superiority and while this faulty self-image is rooted in reality, it is not exactly a reality.

This sort of behavior tends to make people wary and mistrustful of them, and also places Elves in a position where they more likely than not answer any challenge to their supreme superiority with something "We are smarter, wiser and prettier than you, so naturally if we take your water sources for ourselves it is for your own good, you idiotic savage barbarian monkey you." and never accepting that maybe they are wrong.

Hence war/conflict with their non-Halk neighbors and possibly Faeries. This sort of sense of self-superiority makes making new friends and accepting them very very hard.

Huh, I make them sound like grumpy old geezers ...

Cool avatar btw.

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Sorry I am still waking up had a Long day at work yesterday.

That is actually what I was trying to say.

The elves have been top-dogs for so long they are not going to take well to anyone honing in on that.

The fact its being done by a strange mockery of them is going to be worse in their eyes.

Basically chance are really good they are going to act negatively to Fae for awhile.

Their Apperance is an insult.
Their Connection to Void is an affront.
Their allying with Humans is a tragedy
Their Superior Tech is worrying
Their Magic Skills and abilities are troubling

Basically the Fae are one giant handgrenade to the Elves and more then likely one they are going to pull the pin on.

And the Avatar is Berserker from Fate/zero

 

[NecroMac]

A valid point Revanninja, but it's not like all elves will think that way.

The problem with fea is that they are very similar to elves. So similar that they might consider fea (atleast those that look elfish, sorry cats ) to be an elven-spiece just a bit different. It's just that Fea doesn't know the truth about how devious humans are.

hehe, can we have bunch of crazy elves trying to make "Holy elvish crusade" to bring their lost brother and sisters back to the homeland?

 

[mdkcde]

Will edit and add conclusion tomorrow.

Halkegenia Online – Arrun Parallel Stories – Melancholy Hearts - Part III

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I am the pole of my flag.
Hard is my body, canvas is my soul.
blablabla blablabla
blablabla....

Unlimited flag works.

 

[revanninja]

I am the pole of my flag.
Hard is my body, canvas is my soul.
blablabla blablabla
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Unlimited flag works.

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Music

I am the Patch on the Soul
Compassion is my Creed, Pain my Calling
Unknown to rest nor known to Fatigue
I have crossed Countless operations, shed countless tears
In victory I know defeat, in defeat I know Victory
Though the burden is great this is the only path

Physician's Code.

 

[Vaermina]

Once again I hold the belief that in canon Joseph had the mind rape spells thanks to the music box, otherwise the plot makes little sense.

To me Vidashal got himself mind raped in canon... Why would he tell his fellow elves he was following Joseph because he was charismatic? That is a rather stupid excuse considering Vidashal was in the company of both Joseph and Sheffield for months.

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The point you are forgetting is that Vidashal didn't know Joseph was a Void Mage till after the whole Fire Stone thing. Which means his working with Joseph makes perfect sense given he was sent on a peace mission to the closest human leader.

I doubt it, and wasn't there something about fluctlight that limited the total lifespan of an uploaded mind to 150 years before irreparable degradation or something?

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150 years of inviolate memory, they basically treated the thing like a computer filled it up with 150 years worth of data equal to what a human with a perfect memory that remembers everything would experience and then when it got full said "well that's that".

However in the later novels we find out that that limit doesn't actually exist so long as you don't have a perfect memory and forget things that aren't important to remember.

Also you are bringing your fanon into it, which is not going to happen.

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Actually I got the 5-15 years for non-fatal mind uploads from Accell World, where they have them.

My fanon story actually nerfed the future ALO humans pretty heavily so as to not get a population of immortals that just downloaded to a new body any time they were killed.

 

[Quickshot0]

I doubt it, and wasn't there something about fluctlight that limited the total lifespan of an uploaded mind to 150 years before irreparable degradation or something?

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I think it was 130, and there are two possible workarounds for it that come to mind. Both are mentioned some what in canon I believe. In any case this would be:

- Delete some of the memories to free up space
- Add extra memory capacity to humans

Seemingly the first has been actually used, so we know that one can work atleast to an extent. The latter is a bit more speculative, but might work. And in fact, considering we have people in ZnT that can get older then this time limit, we probably should assume it does work. (Unless we wish to assume that the older people achieve this by an autopruning of old memories instead)



Based on the above, Vaermina's speculative idea of surpassing human mortality limits via uploading doesn't seem all to excessive really. It's certainly an approach that would be researched and attempted in their future, I'm sure.




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On another note in some snips I've seen recently, people seem to be assuming that Faeries left behind bodies when they died in ALO, but this is probably wrong. Instead dead Faeries seemed to turn in to remain lights instead. Why they might have chosen for that solution I don't know, but it makes any game mechanics needing a dead Faerie body questionable. Also thus when just arriving in Halkeginia, Faeries probably weren't used to see dead Faeries at all. (Which might lead such to conclude that the dead are merely incapacitated)

 

[Quickshot0]

An idle thought I just had, Tiffania the Half-Elf has a problem in that almost no one likes Half Elves... So if she for some reason got a chance to become a Faerie, then would she do it?

 

[Mahrac]

An idle thought I just had, Tiffania the Half-Elf has a problem in that almost no one likes Half Elves... So if she for some reason got a chance to become a Faerie, then would she do it?

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As an added thought, how would the church react is one of the Void mages was a fae?

 

[DB_Explorer]

Flags galore. Flags. Flags everywhere.

Also you forgot a period after 'together'.

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*Plays Music*

Also ninjad by having to go to work.

Poor Saito though... mistaken as a perv just because his body won over his mind. At least he got to see something lovely for his troubles.

Nanami: Ojii-chan... should I be careful around you now?
Saito: I'm never gonna live this down am I?

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No... no you won't

 

[Tython82]

I thought void mages are from Brimir's bloodline so how can a Fae be a voidmage?

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The Chalice of Rebirth

 

[Boristus]

I thought void mages are from Brimir's bloodline so how can a Fae be a voidmage?

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By using the Chalice of Rebirth, or whatever it's called, the brasier that the SAO survivors used to escape the top of the World Tree. At least, I think thats what he meant.