Halkegenia Online Thread 14 - How I Learned to Stop Worrying And Love The Salamander

Vaermina said:
Actually we get a comment from Brimir himself about there being other Void mages during his time period. On top of that one of the four Void lines was by his apprentice and not someone related to him. Which means he would have created his own void spells separate from whatever theoretical system Brimir put in place for his relatives.

Really the problem seems to come down Louise herself never actually trying to create her own spells. Which is kind of sad given most people with her magic problem would have been experimenting like crazy to see what the problem was.
Considering that Void is a holy element in Halkegenia that only the founder possessed and that Louise never once thought to try that one until later on in the series it makes sense that she wouldn't think to make spells in that vein. Now if she was more open minded at the beginning that her element was void then she might have experimented in her spellcraft.

Edit: As for why she never thinks to make any after she accepts her element as void however....no real excuse except maybe that she has no idea where to start in creating spells for the void.
 
Tython82 said:
Considering that Void is a holy element in Halkegenia that only the founder possessed and that Louise never once thought to try that one until later on in the series it makes sense that she wouldn't think to make spells in that vein. Now if she was more open minded at the beginning that her element was void then she might have experimented in her spellcraft.

Edit: As for why she never thinks to make any after she accepts her element as vodi however....no real excuse except maybe that she has no idea where to start in creating spells for the void.
Nothing we see suggests she has ever tried to create any spells period. Which given her Karin was known to create her own spells is rather odd.

It's even more odd because everything we know about how Void works tells us that it should be possible to cast elemental magic spells with it. So long as you upped the spells instructions an order of magnitude or added a single extra step in the casting process. :confused:
 
Vaermina said:
Nothing we see suggests she has ever tried to create any spells period. Which given her Karin was known to create her own spells is rather odd.

It's even more odd because everything we know about how Void works tells us that it should be possible to cast elemental magic spells with it. So long as you upped the spells instructions an order of magnitude or added a single extra step in the casting process. :confused:
True but Karin at least knew that her element was wind and thus had a basis to work from Louise on the other hand though........
 
Diablo Snowblind said:
Cardinal is no longer a computer program as we understand it, because Cardinal no longer thinks in binary. I think. So, if Cardinal is an actual spirit, can Elves commune with it/her?
Probably. But Cardinal is not like the other spirits, and so has no reason to provide any aid to the elves. They'll likely think of it as heretical, like the void.
 
Tython82 said:
True but Karin at least knew that her element was wind and thus had a basis to work from Louise on the other hand though........
Elements in ZnT don't work like that, it's not like Avatar the last Airbender where you are born with one and can only use that.

Instead think of them like a chosen specialization. Karin for instance has studied wind magic all her life, that doesn't mean she can't use the other elements. Just that compared to her wind magic they would be rather pathetic because she doesn't know much about that branch of magic.

Interestingly Louise never seemed to connect "every time I cast a spell I get an Explosion" with "I can obviously use magic". Which is unfortunately what is needed before someone realizes that "hey maybe the problem is the spells". Instead because of peer pressure and her sisters justifyable fear of her destroying everything she automatically went to "What if I am not a mage".
 
Diablo Snowblind said:
Cardinal is no longer a computer program as we understand it, because Cardinal no longer thinks in binary. I think. So, if Cardinal is an actual spirit, can Elves commune with it/her?
The Elves first have to learn there is such a thing as Cardinal pseudo-Spirit and then come to her doors, The World Tree Shoots or World Tree herself to do that. Of course it was stated by TH that Bishop (and by extension Cardinal) considers Humans, Elves and... Rhyme Dragons (and possibly race of this sort) as "Human", so being an [<Elf]> has no pros and cons here. Cardinal is Spirit of ALfheim and her side is with Faeries, and Mobs of ALfheim (guess that includes Jotuns too. Ice Giants are enemies of the World Tree, and formerly tools of Cardinal. Though she might make an exception considering they wanna freeze the [<Balance]> and then break it, and right now World Tree is Cardinal's house... also right now they are breaking the [<Balance]> by that windstone based breeding program of theirs). So how Cardinal and Elves interact mostly depends on how Elves and ALfheim interact (you can't steal and ruin a Spirit's stuff and then ask her for a favor).

That and unlike other spirits she talks techno-gibbrish, and even a Faery child has more understanding of what she is talking about than the wisest and most ancient of Elves (even if it's just the word[<Hacker]>: "I wasn't hacking at anything!! Look, Spirit, I don't even have a swoaaaaaaaaaaagh!!")

Also after what Louise did though she would be more on her guard and if an Elf decides to force his/her way through to say "hi", (s)he doesn't have to worry about every pixie in ALfheim and their faery allies coming to get him/her... By then the Cardinal has probably burned the [<hacker]> to crisp already.
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thesage2600 said:
It's not that I don't have material, it's that the only device I have to type with is a PS3 and it severely limits the amount of characters I can type.
A solution would be to write "snips" in a PM, possibly with someone who can double as Beta, and either that guy posts the whole snips or you copy/paste it after he combined them for you.

Donno the technical difficulties of writing with PS3 so this solution might not work.:oops:
 
Diablo Snowblind said:
Cardinal is no longer a computer program as we understand it, because Cardinal no longer thinks in binary. I think. So, if Cardinal is an actual spirit, can Elves commune with it/her?
AI's wouldn't think in binary any more than we think in brain cells or atoms.
 
Onel said:
Just because he had an apprentice does not mean that the apprentice created his own spells rather than seeking to learn / master the spells his master Brimir created. And even if he did there is no evidence that any such spell survived to the present. The same applies to any void spells possibly created by any of your hypothetical other void mages from Brimir's time.
You realize that the very fact that Brimir had an apprentice that used Void magic proves that there were more Void mages then just him right?
The same can be said for every void caster shown in the light novels: Louise, Joseph, Vittorio, Tiffania, and Josette. All of them - to the best of what is known from canon - learned every void spell they know from the Brimiric artifacts.
Actually Tiffania cast the memory spell before she had access to any of the void artifacts.

In addition we never see where Joseph and Vittario learned their spells, it might have been from a Void artifact or they may have created them themselves.
 
Tython82 said:
Considering that Void is a holy element in Halkegenia that only the founder possessed and that Louise never once thought to try that one until later on in the series it makes sense that she wouldn't think to make spells in that vein. Now if she was more open minded at the beginning that her element was void then she might have experimented in her spellcraft.

Edit: As for why she never thinks to make any after she accepts her element as void however....no real excuse except maybe that she has no idea where to start in creating spells for the void.
Maybe Louise did once get the idea that maybe the spells were the problem and tried formulating her own. She was then prohibited from doing so after blowing a buncha stuff up and maybe burning out a wand or two in the course of her experiments.
 
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I know that there's some things I'm goint to need to account for that I didn't. Re reading now. P.S. Heathcliff Louise doesn't seem right. I might sleep on it. But I'm going to try and fix it tonight.

Halkegenia Online v2.0 – Epilogue - Part 12

Head bowed, breath held, eyes fixed on the marble floor, polished to such perfection that Father Julio Chesare could see his own reflection in it, red and blue eyes shining back in faded imitation, bisected by a thin channel carved into the stone.

'That channel was meant for drainage.' Julio thought back to his lessons as a young boy. In older, less civil times, there had been many executions held in this room, in the audience of past Popes and the College of Cardinals.

In those times, this room had been floored in stone, and the executions of heretics had occurred so frequently that the channels had been needed to help rinse away the blood of the preferred method of decapitation. A radiating network of grooves that sloped imperceptibly to troughs on either side of the great hall of the Papal audience chamber.

Radiating away, in point of fact, from where Julio now kneeled.

Those days were long gone. The rough stone had been replaced with finely polished marble, and the network of grooves which incidentally formed a lovely pattern, now leafed in gold, had been preserved for aesthetic sake. Their original purpose forgotten to most, but not to Father Julio.

It did not escape his notice that the blades of the Germanian Guard halberdiers at his back, were kept exceptionally keen.

'Which is not more than I may deserve.' He mused as he met his own reflection. Odd the way that the color of an eye could change the countenance. One half, blue, looked resigned, the other, red, was resentful.

Julio knew which of the two was in his heart. He accepted his judgment now. His actions, for good or ill, would be weighed and his fate decided.

"Rise . . . Father Julio."

The young Priest looked up to the steps leading to the elevated station of the throne of the Ruler of the Church within all mortal dominion. Pope Vittorio III stood, head held high, and eyes boring into him.

His Eminence . . . did not look well this day. It would have been invisible to most. But to Julio, the signs were clear as day. Despite the best efforts of an army of attendants. Soft features seeming haggard and diminished, blue eyes dark, and golden blonde hair appearing brittle

And the cause . . . Lack of sleep, of course, brought on by the greater burden of lacking piece of mind. The youngest man to ever hold the station of Pope. He did not seem fit to carry the weight upon his shoulders, responsibility for the one hundred million lives of Brimir's faithful.

'And now I have added to that burden.' Julio admonished himself.

Most had thought little of Vittorio's youth. Young meant inexperienced, foolish, and easily controlled by older, wiser heads, they thought. And that had of course been the plan upon elevating Vittorio to the station of Pope. A puppet to be placed upon the thrown in stead of the real leaders.

Those real leaders had simply never expected their wiser heads to part ways with their old bodies. Some, at the hands of Julio himself.

'And now, have I come full circle?' He thought.

"Your Eminence." Julio said softly, and then stopped. No effort to defend himself, no attempt to explain. His intentions had been pure, but his means had been . . . They'd been idiotic, the reckless expedience of desperation.

Vittorio descending the steps to stand level. King and Knight, Master and Familiar. "I command you to be silent and listen. Am I understood?"

Julio hesitated, before nodding his head shamefully, the only reply he could offer.

Vittorio made a small gesture, hidden in the sleeve of his robes, but visible to the guards who at once came to attention.

"Your Eminence!" The Knight Captain standing to Julio's left appeared ready to protest. They were His Eminence's closest guards, to at his side, always.

"I assure you that I am in no danger. This is a matter of highest importance. I wish to speak privately with Father Julio. You will see to that wish, Captain."

The Knights and Guards could not hide their distaste, they were the personal guards of the Holy Father, and loyal to their bones. Even the implication of untrustworthiness would raise their hackles. The Captain's eyes glinted resentfully as he glanced to Julio.

But these men were loyal, and most of all obedient to His Eminence's will. The Guards gathered themselves into formation, six knights, and two dozen Halberdiers forming into a single unit at the center of the hall, bowing as one, and marching from the room in the same disciplined fashion as they would enter and leave at the beginning and end of their watch.

No doubt, they would be waiting just outside the doors to the audience room, ready to burst back in at the slightest hint of distress.

Only when they were gone did Vittorio let out the ghost of an exhalation, barely audible. A hand came unbidden to rub at his eyes. Julio held his silence, as instructed. At last, without looking up, Vittorio spoke.

"I have had the opportunity to examine the girl and her familiar." His Eminence supplied stonily.

". . ."

"It is exactly as you believed. The runes are indeed the mark of Gandalfr. A tour of the armory has proven the familiar's Void-granted power. Louise de La Valliere is Tristain's Void Mage."

Without privilege to speak, Julio could only widen his eyes. To know for himself was an entirely different thing than to hear it said by His Eminence. He had not been mistaken!

Then . . .

"Although I am pleased that we at last have proof of the existence of the other Void Mages, I cannot condone the way in which she was brought before us."

The Young Priest cringed under Vittorio's gaze.

His Eminence's features hardened, eyes sharpening as he regarded Julio, almost, but not quite, with disdain.

And why should he not? Julio thought sullenly.

He had, on his own initiative, spirited away a Noblewoman of Tristain, gotten three quarters of his men, elite knights, killed at the hands of a Legendary Beast and an equally Legendary Mage. Worse, battle had brought him into direct conflict with Forces of Tristain and the Fae.

He was a Holy Knight of the Church, diplomacy was not his purpose, but the consequences were clear, even to him. If they had been able to spirit away Miss Valliere without altercation, if everything had gone as it should have, without outside interference, then his actions might have been justifiable, barely. Which was why he should have known that things would most decidedly not go as planned.

"Now, speak for yourself."

"Begging Your Eminence's pardon," Julio began swiftly, almost stumbling over himself to reply.

"Much more than merely my pardon." Vittorio said without a hint of sympathy.

Julio remembered himself enough to bow once more from the waist. "Your Eminence, I allowed myself to act the fool, and endanger everything in my fear and eagerness. I can offer no excuse."

"No, you cannot." Vittorio agreed. "But you will explain yourself. As it is, you've delivered into our arms the Void Mage of Tristain and her familiar, and at the same time, antagonized Tristain and the Fae-folk."

Had Tristain learned that this was the Church's doing? Julio wondered. Would they? They would always have suspected, but would the battle, and the bodies, be enough? Romalia had long since learned to mask the identities of its Special Forces, even in death, as all of the Kingdom's had. They had been stripped of all marks and clues of their allegiance to the Church of Brimir.

"I plead only weakness of spirit." Julio said, head still bowed. "I had suspected Miss Valliere for some time, upon making her acquaintance and observing her practice of magic. My later studies only made me more certain. Bastard blood of the Royal line, and her failings in magic coincided almost perfectly with what is known of the past Void users."

"Not enough to move against an entire Kingdom." His Eminence said. "Not nearly enough."

"No." Julio agreed. "But what we discovered next . . . The Faerie magic that she used . . ."

To see His Eminence given pause was disturbing of itself, without regard for the subject.

Vittorio turned away from Julio and made his way towards the tall windows lining one wall of the audience chamber, coming still to gaze out over the roofs of the Holy City and down into the squares where the faithful would gather for the essential ceremonies. Pilgrim's came from across the continent in hopes of making it to this place.

"The Founder bequeathed unto his descendants, four fragments of the blessed Void. Each like, and yet not like to the next." Vittorio repeated the words as if by wrote, the product of their studies of the deep archives. "Four mages, four familiars, four rings, and four treasures. Four fours for the true Void to reveal itself."

His Eminence clasped his hands together, but could not stop from twitching his ring finger, a motion that was almost invisible.

"Each Void unto itself, whole and complete, but removed from the Founder's brilliance. As each Void Mage, whole and complete, but removed from the vulgar elements . . . Which means that either the Fae are blessed with more than they can possible know, or . . ."

Another impossibility, for His Eminence to leave a thought unfinished.

Or Louise Valliere had done the impossible and shattered the shackles of Void. What that could mean, Julio could not even begin to imagine. Either a rapturous occasion or an apocalyptic one. For if Louise had freed herself from the limits of her shard of Void, then what did that mean of the immutability of the Founder's divine magic?

"The Windstone concentrations under Tristain are growing faster than ever." Julio said softly. A decade had shrunk to mere years at best, months at worst. Ironic, the Church had acquired the means to track the calamity's progress from a researcher in Tristain. The revelation of her work had driven the poor woman to madness. "If we waited, we might have lost her entirely. And I believed we needed to know. I feared for what it might mean."

His eminence regarded him from the corner of one eye.

"A Void Mage she may be, but Louise Valliere is of no use to us without the Ring of Water and the Founder's Prayer Book. We cannot say where they may be, but the likeliest place is in the home of their rightful master, Tristain, the Kingdom that has every reason to now regard any member of the Church with suspicion as a direct result of your actions. You were sent to observe." Vittorio said.

"And nothing more. Now, we cannot even say how our dealings with the Fae and Tristain will unfold. Perhaps ruined. We cannot afford for the Kingdoms to squabble among themselves now. We must prepare to present a united front against the Great Enemy, if any shred of our civilization is to survive what is to come."

Vittorio turned to fully face Julio, expression as cold as ever. "For the damage you may well have caused, I would not be wrong to wonder if you were a traitor."

Julio could not argue with his Master's reasoning. His Eminence would certainly be justified. Yes, justified, to hand his head to Tristain on a platter if need be.

"If not for your ceaseless commitment and devotion, both as a Priest of the Church, and my Familiar, you would already be facing execution. But also, fault lays with myself as well."

"You Eminence!" Julio took a half step forward, reaching out, shocked.

"So does the Master, so does the Familiar, so does the Familiar, so does the Master. It was I who made use of the improper tool in sending you to Tristain without oversight. I was neglectful. And taking into account that your men did not strongly urge you away from this course of action . . ." Another look of displeasure, Julio pondered whether his two surviving subordinates would receive even a fraction of this mercy. ". . . Your past service, and loyalty, misguided as it has been, has granted you a stay of execution."

Strange, Julio felt light headed, it would never have occurred to him that he had not come to terms with his own death. So as not to leave him too much relieved, Vittorio then added. "For the time being, your life is to be considered forfeit, and whether you can possibly redeem yourself will be up to God and Founder." A fact that was in no way new to Julio. He had always been expendable, from the day he had spoken his oaths and given himself over, body and soul, to the Church. "You will be confined to duty here, within the boundary of the Holy City. Specifically, I wish for you to watch over Miss Valliere. I find it fitting that you do so. Be her guide and assist her in her studies."

"Then," Julio began, "The archives are to be opened to her?" The ancient archives held by the Church since time barely imaginable. He had suggested such things to Louise to gain her cooperation, he had even believed it was possible, but never had he thought it would be granted so casually.

Vittorio nodded. "Under supervision. And our most trusted philosophers as well. For or good or ill, Louise Valliere is in our custody for now, I intend to make full use of studying her. To earn her trust, for what little it is worth."

"And what of Tristain and the Fae?" Julio asked.


They could have been powerful allies to be shaped through diplomacy. Now, they would be antagonistic partners at best, enemies at worst. One thing was certain, the Fae were kind, light hearted, and generally gentle-natured people. Those qualities were not extended to those that wronged them.

His reports on the Fae were even now being consumed hungrily by Church philosophers, dissecting everything they could learn of the Fae kin. And what was more, their dealings with Tristain.
A combination that he had only begun to examine, and now suspected, if not for the Windstone build up beneath the small Kingdom, he would come to regret. A small, but prosperous Kingdom, blessed with a vitality of magic greater than any of the other Kingdoms of Halkegenia, and joined in hands with them, a new race of flying, physically robust, and potentially powerful magic users, possessed of strange knowledge and even stranger notions.


"This will not be the first time the Church has given refuge to a wayward soul, nor fought to bring them to sanctuary." Albeit, rarely a soul so politically charged as Louise Valliere. Vittorio could only think of a one in recent memory, a candidate for the seat of Emperor of Germania. Romalia had nearly gone to war over that decision two decades ago. "That shelter can only be extended for a brief time, but we will make use of it while we can. For now, we will continue as we have." Vittorio informed him. "We have no choice but to commit ourselves to Tristain's war against Albion."

"The First Contingency." Julio surmised. If catastrophe came, despite their best efforts, and the Holy Land could not be reclaimed, only Albion might offer safe refuge to a few chosen faithful. Albion which was, of its very nature, unassailable. Until the Fae and Tristain had proven it possible.

His Eminence nodded. "As a show of good faith as well. And when our time expires, if need be, I will present myself before Tristain's new monarch to beg forgiveness." Vittorio let that hang in the air. "When that time comes, it may also be with the gift of your head."

"I understand, fully, Your Eminence." Julio said softly.

"As you should." Vittorio agreed as if there was no other conclusion. "Now, make yourself presentable, and find Miss Valliere. Become acquainted with her and her familiar. Learn all that you can. Report everything to me, but take no action of your own will."

"As you wish, your Excellency . . . Though, if I may humbly ask," It was not that he was not eager to gain some small redemption for his actions, even if it would not change his fate, "Do you truly believe we can trust that man? His name . . ."

"The alias of the man who created the Faerie illusion games." Vittorio confirmed. "A mass murderer of the Fae world. His existence as Miss Valliere's familiar is troubling. Removing him, given his innate prowess and the Gandalfr runes now in his possession may prove quite difficult."

"Your Eminence, can we believe what he has said?" Julio wondered aloud. Julio had been given ample time to question the swordsman on their journey back to Romalia. Even with dragons to hasten the trip, it had taken the better part of a week by circuitous routes to return to Romalia, with Miss Valliere constantly falling in and out of consciousness in a series of fever dreams, only subsiding when she collapsed from exhaustion.

During that time, the swordsman, Heathcliff, had proven suspiciously docile, exhibiting an almost childish fascination with the passing landscape, like one who had never traveled beyond a single village, much less across the span of the continent.

The results of his interrogations had been . . . inconclusive . . . confusing . . . Julio had thought he had done well to learn what he could of the Fae Realm, the one they spoke of ironically as Iarel, apparently some joke that the Faeries had been reluctant to fully explain, a pun on the word's. But probing Heathcliff had proven how little he knew. All that he'd learned was that something was not quite right.

"That," Vittorio said, "Is what I want you to find out."

How he wished for the simpler days. "As you wish, Your Eminence."
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The afternoon light playing in through tall, curtained windows, the sounds of the birds, and the soft splash of the water in the tub all around her. Louise Francoise le Blanc de La Valliere sat, legs curled up to her chest, lost in her own thoughts, most of them unflattering.

The last lucid memory that Louise had, was touching her lips to the World Tree. After that, it was a mix of feverish moments, seen through blurry eyes. Splitting migraines and fever until, at last, she'd found herself waking in the early light of morning in a bed much too big and soft to have been her own.


She had not woken alone. An attending nurse had been at her side, and word had been sent at once. Before the hour was through, she had found herself in the company of His Holiness himself, and all had been explained to her.

At first, she hadn't known what to make of it. Upset. Only as she'd learned of what had transpired, had she felt sick, and then felt nothing at all. Except maybe gratitude that her stomach had been empty when she was told that her familiar had nearly killed her mother. The servants had only to clean up the gagging mix of saliva and stomach juices.

Even to hear that her sins, real, or imagined, were forgiven and that the Church would honor Father Juilo's offer, had not improved her mood.

Since waking the day before, she had not smiled or laughed, or shown more than the smallest expression. The life had drained out of her, and even the interest in imitating life to the outside world was fast fading. Instead, surrounded by the luxury of the apartments assigned to her, she had turned inwards upon her own thoughts, her own mistakes. There were lots to choose from, to examine, to critique.

It was a familiar ritual for Louise, but somehow changed now. The thoughts were hers, but seemingly with a different . . . flavor? Was that how one thought of such things. Confusing, and often disturbing, like someone else had crawled into her skull and started to whisper to her, or make her feel their commentary.

'And what did you think would happen?'

One part of herself would seem to say.

'You knew he was using you.' Another would chime in. 'You just wouldn't let yourself see.'

'That's right I . . .'

'Did you think what would happen if it didn't work?'

'I . . . I didn't it was just . . . It seemed like the ri-'

'Or if it DID? What if it had enslaved the Pixies? They are bound to their mother after all.'

'No! I'd never . . .'

'Or God, the Fae?!'

'You didn't know any better!'

'Yes you did!'

'This is your fault! Take responsibility!'

'Please'. Louise raised her hands out of the water, placing them firmly against her ears. As if that could block out the broken echoes that faded off after every thought. 'Please, one at a time . . . just one at a time . . . That's all I ask.' The fragmented voices that tumbled off, thousands of facets speaking at once, brilliant and clear, but broken, like dropped crystal. Not more than pieces of piecesd. And not at all interested in listening to her.

Louise did the only thing she could think to do. She stopped. Stopped thinking, stopped remembering, almost stopped breathing before faintness reminded her. And when she was done, the voices kept their opinions to themselves. The voices . . . and the source of the voices . . .

Louise stared at the palm of her hand. It was at once, her hand, and not her hand. Because she could remember her hand like . . . the back of her hand . . . and the little digital watch she wore with its little panda decoration, even though she could just get the time off of her phone . . . But . . . what was a Panda? Or a Phone?

"How is it that I know that it's seven hundred steps from my house to the train station", Louise asked, "But I don't know what a train is?"

"Is that some sort of riddle?" The silver haired man standing outside her window, back to her, mused aloud.

She hadn't asked him to stand guard, nor had he told her he intended to do so. And yet, Louise was not upset by this. Even knowing that he was a criminal, a murderer, she was confident he had no interest in spying on her in the bath.


Which was comforting in a way as it meant she could dismiss the ever present servants and be left almost to herself.

"No . . . Its . . . " Louise thought about it. "I don't know what it is really . . ." She sank down in the water until her nose was barely above the surface.

A criminal familiar . . . It was no more than she deserved she thought bitterly. And she knew, better than anyone save the Fae, what his crimes had been like.

She could have asked to have him removed, or even ordered him from her sight, he had proven infuriatingly willing to obey her whims. Instead, she preferred to keep him in her company, as a reminder. That the Mage summoned a Familiar which suited them. What did that say about her?

'Looks like you found a friend Louise!' The hateful little thought came unbidden.

'Shut up!' She thought viciously.

"I made a mistake." Louise said out loud.

"Is that in general, or are you being specific?" Heathcliff asked back unbidden. She could have lived without his commentary. The voices in her own head were bad enough. "I've been told that discovering oneself to be imperfect is quite the traumatizing experience."

"I should never have listened to Father Julio . . ." Louise continued. "I should never have run away. I should never . . . never . . . have kissed that tree! I've brought nothing but suffering." Hers least of all compared to what she had heaped upon the sixty thousand Faeries. "What . . . What do I do?"

What did she do? She'd meant well. She'd meant to do what was right. It had seemed like the proper thing at the time. Or rather, she'd wanted it to be. She'd wanted it so badly. But if her own judgment was so suspect, what hope did she have?

"You could start by learning from your mistake, and not to make the same one twice." Her familiar offered, never turning his head to her, doing nothing more menacing than observing the sky. "It is my experience that people rarely do anything right the first time."

"It was a simple decision!" Louise hissed. So simple. She could have simply said nothing, done nothing. Nothing had been what was expected of her, and she'd failed at even that!

"Not for one who has never chosen."

Louise ignored the comment. She'd made decisions before. Going to the academy, as was expected of her, taking on responsibilities handed down to her by Henrietta, as was her duty. How would this have been any different?!

'You have to ask?' Darkly sarcastic.

"It may seem like no consolation." Heathcliff said. "But have you ever heard of an opportunity cost?" Louise didn't reply. She didn't really want to listen. Which naturally meant Heathcliff would continue speaking. "An opportunity cost is the cost of taking one action in terms of the actions that are not selected. You feel remorse because you give more weight to the unchosen action than to the one you chose. But balance what you action gains against what it has cost."

What it had cost was her her friends, the trust they had placed in her, the help of the Fae, and . . . her family. Louise almost choked, thinking what this would do to Cattleya. She'd been so bound up in her own self made troubles, she'd barely spared it a thought until it was too late.

And what had throwing away everything she cherished gained her but misery and a guilded cage? She was under no illusion to what this was, not anymore.

"The Church says that they'll help." Louise said. "His Holiness himself is giving me permission to use the archives of the Holy City." Along with nearly two dozen Church scholars who would have no task but to examine her and seek to understand how she had summoned . . . what she had summoned." Helped along by one final detail.

'Void . . . His Holiness says that I possess power of Void. Louise didn't believe it for a moment, to share the Founder's Holy Element. But could any other Element do something like this? Make real the imaginary, breath life back into phantoms.

Her eyes tracked to the man at her window, the swordsman Heathcliff, or the Knights of Blood, of the Floating Castle of Aincrad. For whatever reason, instead of binding the World Tree as her familiar, she had brought him forth. Some . . . figment of the illusion games, the last echoes of their creator.

By now, Louise would not have been shocked to discover the Necromancy was among her powers, or worse.

But then, if not Void, what? Just what was she to summon an entire world? No human could do that.

'Am I not human?' Louise wondered. 'Nay'. The thought came unbidden as water closed over her. Then as she lay submerged. 'I am . . . an Incarnate Radius.'
 
So it appears Heathcliff has to guard not just the Young Louise's life, but also her mind.

Fitting penance for his linage I suppose.

That said, I am curious as to just what he is, who he is. How much of him is the monster who made SAO, and how much of him is simply a program brought to life and corporal existence.

Does he remember the life of his maker? Does he feel and act as he did, or is he something else? Something new?

So many questions give rise to a twined existence such as this.
 
Triggerhappy said:
"The Founder bequeathed unto his descendants, four fragments of the blessed Void. Each like, and yet not like to the next." Vittorio repeated the words as if by wrote, the product of their studies of the deep archives. "Four mages, four familiars, four rings, and four treasures. Four fours for the true void to reveal itself."

His Eminence clasped his hands together, but could not stop from twitching his ring finger, a motion that was almost invisible.

"Each Void unto itself, whole and complete, but removed from the Founder's brilliance. As each Void Mage, whole and complete, but removed from the vulgar elements . . . Which means that either the Fae are blessed with more than they can possible know, or . . ."

Another impossibility, for His Eminence to leave a thought unfinished.
Or Louise Valliere had done the impossible and shattered the shackles of Void. What that could mean, Julio could not even begin to imagine. Either a rapturous occasion or an apocalyptic one. For if Louise had freed herself from the limits of her shard of Void, then what did that mean of the immutability of the Founder's divine magic?
Did the stress caused by the arrival of the Fae make Vittario start drinking his own cool-aid or is he just keeping the truth a secret from Julio for some reason? :confused:
"A void mage she may be, but Louise Valliere is of no use to us without the Ring of Water and the Founder's Prayer Book. We cannot say where they may be, but the likeliest place is in the home of their rightful master, Tristain, the Kingdom that has every reason to now regard any member of the Church with suspicion as a direct result of your actions. You were sent to observe." Vittorio said.
The Rings and Artifacts are generic and will work with any Void Mage. It's why Joseph was so excited when he finally got his hands on the Founders Music box. Though since Vittario doesn't have access to any of the Rings at this time it doesn't really effect the story.
Louise starred at the palm of her hand. It was at once, her hand, and not her hand. Because she could remember her hand like . . . the back of her hand . . . and the little digital watch she wore with its little panda decoration, even though she could just get the time off of her phone . . . But . . . what was a Panda? Or a Phone.
You know having just re-read "The Day After" I find myself wondering if that's one of Sachi's memory fragments from the SAO seed.
 
The Windstone buildup in Tristain is ACCELERATING!? Hoo boy. Looks like the theories that the World Tree would eat the Windstones and avert the crisis in Tristain were completely the opposite of the truth. And it looks like Louise has a buncha IRL memories crammed into her head and she's totally confused whenever one pops to the surface because she lacks the context to interpret most of it.
 
Mega1987 said:
The only thing missing is Louise go Magikarp training just to use all those skill in her noggin...

with her build? it's gonna take a long time to master them... From cooking, sewing, agriculture, musical talents, spell casting(fae), sword skills, Calculus(yes... I'm evil...), indoor plumbing :) :p, engineering, Boxing, military training, etc.
Kayaba: As a newly made character you have two skill slot's that can be expanded to a maximum of twelve so choose carefully because they are permanent once selected.
 
You know I bet Tiffania could get rid of all those extra memories if the the two ever run into each other.
 
Triggerhappy said:
I know that there's some things I'm goint to need to account for that I didn't. Re reading now. P.S. Heathcliff Louise doesn't seem right. I might sleep on it. But I'm going to try and fix it tonight.

Halkegenia Online v2.0 – Epilogue - Part 12
- Subtle Vitto, real subtle... or maybe it IS subtle and Julio just knows his history better?

- Is it just lack of sleep, thinking and rethinking and going through dusty old tomes, too forbidden to be touched by a lesser man?

- And final HalO proof that VItto had chosen himself as the Savior, at least for me. Another man and he would have allowed the old coots push him around. It takes a certain strength of character and self-assurance to do away with his supposed caretakers and guides and then follow through with the whole "Let's save everyone cause I'm your savior!!" thing.

- There goes chances of recognizing the corpses... and we argued about it for pages... shit.

- From Louise's vision I'd say the "or..." but based on how TH said Faery Magic has replaced Super-BOOOM/Explosion, it could be a bit of both: Structure of Void-spells were set in stone by Brimir (no making new stuff, just unlocking old ones), and Louise broke her shackles to use a different method of weaving Void into spells.

- Who was the poor researcher gone mad?(answer: Apparently Warde's mom) And how recent are these reports?

-... the one angle I didn't consider when contemplating depth of Julio's screw up (mostly because I didn't know until three pages ago). Good luck with recovering Water Ruby and Prayer Book now!!

- Shocking, isn't it, for a fanatic to realize he was not all that much of a suicidal fanatic after all... it's a good sign, really. Brain's still working and instincts are active.

- Lesson in Fae politics: Bringing head as gift is not going to buy you favor (it's not hygienic and rather gross... yup, that's all I care for), especially if you think you're shifting the blame and silencing the suspect. Bring him alive.

- ", the one they spoke of ironically as Iarel" At first i thought it was a typo... IRL shenanigans!!:D

- Sins might be forgiven, dear Louise, but they are rarely forgotten.

- 'This is your fault! Take responsibility!' that's actually where the whole trouble started. "How to take responsibility" is the key. Also Louise should check the speech bubbles: If they are yellow and have different style/font she is getting mad.

- Or what's a Panda for that matter.

- 'You have to ask' ... "as was expected of her", "as was her duty"... I think Louise was always a blind little girl... and ironically it's only after losing an eye that she finally starts to see for real.
Triggerhappy said:
'Am I not human?' Louise wondered. 'Nay'. The thought came unbidden as water closed over her. 'I am . . . an Incarnate Radius.'
BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Typo and stuff:
  • red and blue eyes shinning shining back
  • formed a lovely pattern, now leafed in gold[,] had been preserved
  • of the Germanian Guard halberdeers halberdiers
  • they were the personal Guards guards (the whole unite is known as the Guard, yes, but here it's referring to their role)
  • and two dozen Halberdeers halberdiers
  • Void granted Void-granted power
  • spirited away a Noble Woman Noblewoman of Tristain
  • her failings in magic coincidd coincided
  • Four fours for the true Void to reveal itself
  • A Void Mage she may be
  • some soe of the fault lays with me
  • So does the Master, so does the Familiar, so does the Failiar Familiar, so does the Master
  • generally gentle natured gentle-natured people
  • agreed as if there as was no other conclusion
  • troubling.Removing troubling, Removing
  • . Even with Dragon's dragons to hasten the trip
  • All that he'd learned[,] was that something was not quite right.
  • Louise Francoi Francoise le Le Blance Blanc de La Vallier Valliere (frikkin long name!!)
  • 'This is you your fault! Take responsibility!'
  • Louise starred stared at the palm of her hand
  • That Mage summoned a familiar Familiar that suited them.
  • But have you ever heard of an opportunity cost
 
Blinded said:
- From Louise's vision I'd say the "or..." but based on how TH said Faery Magic has replaced Super-BOOOM/Explosion, it could be a bit of both: Structure of Void-spells were set in stone by Brimir (no making new stuff, just unlocking old ones), and Louise broke her shackles to use a different method of weaving Void into spells.
Nowhere was it said the structure of Void spells were set in stone by Brimir. Also Void was in no way locked given the whole non relative Void apprentice thing.
 
Vaermina said:
Nowhere was it said the structure of Void spells were set in stone by Brimir.
... I was saying my personal opinion. I believe we are allowed to say this sort of things every once in a while....

God knows you say your fair share of 'em.:D

EDIT: Also since TH said he would change the Nature of the Void and/or Brimir (fault is with my memory) I don't think relaying too much on FoZ canon would help in matters of Void.
 
No Louise, you are the Void Mage.

And Louise became an Incarnate Radius.

If there is one thing good that came out of Julio's blunder, it's Romalia finally committing itself against Albion even if it's just a show of good will to appease Tristain and the Fae.
 
Back from CF2013, my legs are killing me, was it worth it? Sort of, there was the occasional Kirito cosplayer of course, and one male Goddess Madoka cosplayer, that was creepy, then I visited Kinokuniya and found a copy of SAO Progressive 2 (The art in Progressive 2 has improved if I use the GGO volume as a comparison.), turns out Asuna's one to get jealous when Kirito has another girl on his right. Also, one image left me curious. (Left transparent in case.)

Was it really necessary for you to help wash that Dark Elf lady in the bath, Kirito? I mean, she's a beauty and all but wherever did the 'lady in the bathroom' rule go?

Anyways, back to story, so Romalia is forced to become Tristain's ally in the coming war, all thanks to one priest who stepped in too early. Well at the very least Julio isn't the Cheshire-Cat-ass we've been seeing lately.

Also, I can't shake the feeling Vittorio's going to get screwed over by Heathcliff or Kayaba somehow. Anyways, it seems all the memories Louise had an intake of is starting to play havoc in her head.

If I'm not mistaken, has all the new memories started to affect her thinking in ways that make it seem she has a few voices in her head? As in like her head takes memories from person A and says what that person might say and think in Louise's situation, and then memories of person B says their opinion, then go to C and D and so and so? If that is the case, how long do you folks think before Louise starts having issues keeping her sense of self and not a thousand or so heads?

As usual, the thing sits in TH's Inbox till it gets his confirmation to go. So I'm going to work on a new piece in the meantime.
 
So the church researchers found a higher concentration of windstones in Tristain... This has a few possible implications:

A) We know the method to measurement of windstones cannot reach deeper deposits, this could mean that with the transition a large mass of windstones was displaced and pushed towards the surface (To account for the LARGE amount of tunels/caves/new mineral deposits of ALfheim) this makes it look like the windstone creation has accelerated in tristain.

B) The presences of the world tree or the Jotums is accelerating the creation of windstones for "reasons".

C) The windstones are being gathered by the world's tree as a way to ensure it has enough sustainance(sp) for Aeons to come, this will result in the creation of Albion 2.0 with the Tree (of Mana) in the middle of the newly formed floating island, this will give more power to an alliance of the two floating kingdoms in the future.
 
Actually...

Albion: Original Floating kingdom of Halkeginia.

Tristain: Future floating Kingdom of Tristain, the land of the world's (mana) tree.

Aincrad: Louise is going to (probably) sacrifice her life to create the floating castle for humans to inhabit...
 
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