Goblin Queen [Worm/Exalted] [Crosspost]

Curious that.

I admit, that I didn't read through comments in all those Goblin Queen threads, and it probably is explained somewhere in them - but what exactly are relationships between Taylor and her 'guest'? It is still rather unclear to me.

Well, unless it is intentionally unclear.

The relationship is complex and unclear. Think of it as three entities who've come together for mutual benefit and kind of, sort of, can communicate...

Queen Administrator serves as the bridge between Taylor and [____].
[____] is teaching Taylor stuff, and is providing energy to Queen Administrator.
Taylor is sheltering [____] and giving XP to Queen Administrator, also IDEAS....

Anyway, as far as I understand, exalted part of the settings is close to canon in this story. It means, that relative power of different beings is kept. Taylor's 'guest' is unshaped Raksha, most powerful type, at least equivalent of third circle demon.

As for their relationship, I assume it works in simillar way that is works for typical shaped Rapsha. Taylor is a shell that shields vulnerable,amorphous interior. Given that Taylor already existed and was being of Reality, she doesn't restrict her 'guest' as much as process of being shaped would. Plus partial merge allows to bleedover of abilities and influence.

Kind of, sort of... it's kind of like that. As for [____], it was a damn strong Unshaped before the encounter in Creation with Luna and Sol.... take what you will, that [____] manage to run away from Luna AND Sol in Primordial Creation where no other Unshaped or Shaped have ever managed to do.

Still, given that I don't really understand classification above. I would think, that even fraction of Unshaped essence would put Taylor above all but oldest Exalted... Unless we are speaking about quality of the essence instead of quantity. But then, I still don't understand it.

Quantity of essence, and what their charms can do. Godblooded are technically weak essence users, ditto with mortal essence users...

Anyway, I have also plenty of other question marks floating around. For example I'm wondering if a 'guest' is recuperating from it's wounds. It began story dying and crippled. What it is now?

It's still healing...

Or what exactly limits Rose Knight has? So far there was little that really had put her in a spot, made her really exert herself, to strive. Little that made her afraid. Little that would make her search for something more.

Social Interactions are basically where Taylor is challenged. Also, the fight with Emma could have EASILY gone bad for Taylor if Emma knew what she's doing.

There are other things that she respects and is wary of, like the Shaped in Brockton Bay.

I wonder for would her narrative power interact with Simiurg. I wonder if time is as fluid and malleable to Taylor as it is to Yosi and unshaped Raksha?

Time is one of the limits that Taylor has... no take backsies.

I wonder what would happen it Taylor were suddenly to receive solar exaltation?

Taylor "ARGHHH!!! Unclean! I'm Unclean! Someone help me remove the stupid gold thing from me!"

As I said, plenty, plenty of floating question marks.

Back to more serious comments - one thing, that I'm little afraid of in this story, it something I would name 'reality break'.

Please bear in mind, that those are only my personal observations. I don't want to 'flame', I'm only speaking about something that I'm afraid may happen there.

Tanuki adore C&C even if harsh words are involved. :3

Here, in 'Goblin Queen' good example of that are Star Trek replicators - the possible tinker paradise. I don't belive it will get (nor that it really deserve) detailed exploration. Still, it is something that is word-breaking on national scale. It will change lives of common people in town. It will change relationship between gangs. Cauldron will get interested, just as will Protectorate. There will be new faces in town, changing situation even further. There will be demonstrations of strength form various sides. Probably where will be tinker tech on the streets. There will be media circus. There will be national outcry. There will be new policies, power play. Pingot will need to react...

Changes happen... and the status quo changes with it. I thought it was obvious that things were happening in the background...

You didn't think that Brocktn Bay PRT got the budget for Tinkerfab items out of nowhere? Or that the fact that Uber and L33t are going legit after their replicator's success with no mention on the hows?

I mean... Uber and L33t have TWO identical (except for paintjob) Space Jet Fighters... the status quo is quite broken. Even before Panacea started to hand out regens at this Endbringer fight.

I mean Squealer is present in a mecha, Dragon has a BIGGER Dragon Suit and has a second AI running the Birdcage, there's a 2nd sun orbiting earth, Cherish isn't with Slaughterhouse 9....

The Tinkers are already demonstrating their strength... and Bakuda has gotten the go ahead to use her exotic bombs on a "safe" target... an Endbringer.

This is aside from what Piggot is doing with Armsmaster in regards to Brockton Bay's wards and Protectorate.

I could continue the list. The fact is, that infinite replication of tinkertech requires all of above to keep continuity with canon. But it probably won't get it. And yes, it is ignorable. But problem begins when common peoples suddenly get free access to tinkertech neural disruptors - it seems to come 'out of nothing'. It feels wrong. When it is coupled with other major consequences, from other world-changing events, you get 'it seems wrong' feeling more and more often. After certain point amount of 'wrong' elements prevents you from enjoying the story.

I'm affraid that Goblin Queen may go in that direction.

I'm very much NOT keeping continuity with canon beyond personalities and behaviours. The fact that Goblin Queen is a crossover means I have to respect BOTH sides of the equation...

Also, just because the tech is there, doesn't mean that people will get ahold of it. There is still the issue of money and the flow of supply vs demand.
 
Taylor "ARGHHH!!! Unclean! I'm Unclean! Someone help me remove the stupid gold thing from me!"
"I used to be a unique individual with a strange yet potent set of abilities. Now I'm just another faceless Twilight!Taylor. Sure I can still use all my old abilities, but that's not the point. Do you have any idea how short the average lifespan of a Solar!Taylor is? There's only one that comes even close to mine! How about we just pretend this was an omake! Please... Don't stop updating me!"
 
Dragon is now a spirit ...

You mention that Dragon is a spirit, has she noticed her upgrade yet?
How has this affected Saint's backdoors into her?
Would Ascalon (I think that's the name for Saint's kill program for dragon)
affect Dragon in her new state?
and are Dragon's shackles still in place and what condition are they in?
 
Dragon is now a Spirit, hmm.

Is she a God or an Elemental or something else?

If she's an Elemental, can she become a Lesser Elemental Dragon?
 
Dragon is now a Spirit, hmm.

Is she a God or an Elemental or something else?

If she's an Elemental, can she become a Lesser Elemental Dragon?
Lesser Elemental Dragons aren't so bad. But if she were to become a GREATER Elemental Dragon...

Mind you, most spirits share a charmset anyway - a demon can have a charm that does the same thing as a gods charm, which can be copied by an elemental etc. There are of course thematic differences and lots of stuff thus does not overlap, but essentially its not that important to define what type of spirit Dragon is. She's obviously not a demon, probably not a deva, probably naturally immaterial so not an elemental - that would technically make her a god, but that really just means "generic spirit".
 
Lesser Elemental Dragons aren't so bad. But if she were to become a GREATER Elemental Dragon...

Mind you, most spirits share a charmset anyway - a demon can have a charm that does the same thing as a gods charm, which can be copied by an elemental etc. There are of course thematic differences and lots of stuff thus does not overlap, but essentially its not that important to define what type of spirit Dragon is. She's obviously not a demon, probably not a deva, probably naturally immaterial so not an elemental - that would technically make her a god, but that really just means "generic spirit".

Yeah. That's my understanding too. If a spirit isn't an elemental or a demon/deva. It's a god. Being a god isn't actually anything special in Exalted, I wonder if Dragon could be considered to be the spirit/god of anything in particular, or would she be like the out-of-work hobo gods in the slums of Yu-Shan and basically a god-without-portfolio?

EDIT: Dragon is widely revered as the greatest Tinker in the world, I wonder if that counts as having some Cult rating?
 
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The relationship is complex and unclear. Think of it as three entities who've come together for mutual benefit and kind of, sort of, can communicate...

Queen Administrator serves as the bridge between Taylor and [____].
[____] is teaching Taylor stuff, and is providing energy to Queen Administrator.
Taylor is sheltering [____] and giving XP to Queen Administrator, also IDEAS....

...IDEAS... (shudder)

I can imagine, given that before Taylor, [____] had no opportunity to really experience static world. Perhaps Taylor can let [____] out to play sometimes? I would love to see what lovecraftian, utter, hilarious havoc would it make, given ...IDEAS... shifted through [____] perception.

Does it even really differentiate between material and ideas? Materialized clutches of love, anyone? Nervous buterfies? ...Barney?

Taylor "ARGHHH!!! Unclean! I'm Unclean! Someone help me remove the stupid gold thing from me!"

Peleps Deled: "Give me a minute to grab my de-Anathema-ing hammer, and I'll get it right out of you."

De-Anathema-ing hammer is good. :) On the other hand:

[Scion gifting Rose Knght bucket of golden roses]: Take heart my child, do not despair...

It's still healing...

(whistling innocently) Panacea to rescue?

Kind of, sort of... it's kind of like that. As for [____], it was a damn strong Unshaped before the encounter in Creation with Luna and Sol.... take what you will, that [____] manage to run away from Luna AND Sol in Primordial Creation where no other Unshaped or Shaped have ever managed to do.

Speaking about escape from Sol and Luna in the beginning - I though about a nice climatic way for [____] to escape and troll Luna thoroughly enough, that she would remember this particular Raksha for all remaining ages of eternity.

A fun fact from Exalted fluff: Luna is not as much as a being, as unsteady conglomerate of beings. Canibalistic conglomerate at that. When Gaia and Oramus were creating her, Luna, the current Luna, had to prove she is the strongest - and consume, absorb all other possibilities, all other Lunas that Oramus could dream about. As you can imagine, given this was Oramum, there was quite a few.

To this day Luna can be sometimes see holding attributes of Aspects, that are never shown. Other Lunas remain submerged, but it is uneasy rest.

Now, I imagine [____] could do something about this problem. Being submerged, I mean - throwing Luna into existential crisis to outcrisis all other crisises. :)

And then I've seen those pictures:

http://jameszapata.deviantart.com/art/Moon-and-Crow-400045050
http://jameszapata.deviantart.com/art/Moon-and-Crow-399537991

And damn... this pair would make NICE alternative Luna.

And if Crow escaped? Hmmm.... ...on black wings, through darkened sky, he flew, seeking return of Her, who was his other half. Wounded, but not defeated he gathered strength on unknown shores. Searching, he drank from Lethe, and it had not power over him. He flew over strange lands beyond the stars. And grew, waiting for his moment... His name was Hope. Her name was Love. They will be united.

How often do You think Luna would curse [___] trolling during the ages?


I thought it was obvious that things were happening in the background...
I'm very much NOT keeping continuity with canon beyond personalities and behaviours. The fact that Goblin Queen is a crossover means I have to respect BOTH sides of the equation...

It's all not exactly what I was talking about... :)

OK, I don't want to be a troll, so I'll try once more, and then I'll shut up.

There was a Evangelion story, a long, long time ago (long enough I don't remember the title), which could serve as a nice if copletely extreme example of what I'm speaking about. I enjoyed story at the beginning. There were plenty of new elements introduced, difference in how Eva's were fighting, absorption of Angel's might, etc. But then in started to snowball, more and more elements, more and more changes.

I stopped reading soon after disembodied Shinji used Eva, which he human-sized via reality bending, to walk around (looking like demented maniac) and converse with Gendo about third impact and angel's anatomy.

My reaction was rather predictable: "WTF? I give up.". I stopped reading because I could no longer recognize the world as Eva universe. It had changed too fast, to drastically. In result I was feeling there is was no longer any continuity with cannon. Everything could happen. Nothing was certain. All that was happening was beginning to look as author fiat.

To put it in other way - I could no longer imagine this world. Previously I could predict possible consequence of let's say Kensuke's death. In this story? Shinji could cry. Or could laugh. Or could resurrect him. Or be able to do nothing. Or go back in time. Or whatever. I had no way to predict what was possible and what was not. No way to decide it given action was logical or plainly stupid. No way to really judge what was happening. No way to put myself into character shoes and think "Hm... this option would be good, and that I simply cannot do.".

Main problem of that story was not WHAT was happening, but how quickly it was happening. There was no exploration of consequences, not descriptions of limits. Plenty happened in background - and it was mostly skimmed over. There was no real boundaries of character options visible to the reader. Progression from canon universe to current point was shown in detail only in regard of main characters. All other 'waves' were omited. And then they started to meet main character.

All in all, I had this ugly feeling of 'unreality'.


Back to Goblin Queen. Here, it is not yet a problem. It's visible only as a trend. Still, there are already several 'soft' areas I have no real idea what to think about. For example I can no longer really imagine situation between gangs in the town (who controls what, level of tension, current goals, rising villianous stars). Or between parahuman groups in general. I have no clear, defined idea characters surrounding Taylor can and cannot do. And yes, I can guess some, but new powers seems to appear quickly. With Dinah and her Leviathan wrestling... I tried to imagine most impossibly outrageous power boost that could happen to Tatletale - and I ended with her going all Chlarles Xavier and reading thought of everyone in the city (plus possibly manipulating them to counter Simiurg). Problem is, that I can see if happen in this story. It would not be 'out of context'. Character can easily 'spin into infinity' around there.

As for simpler situation - Tattletale vs. 10 thugs. I can imagine what canon Tattletale can possibly do - and what she is unable to do. I cannot imagine what current Tattletale is capable of. For all I know she could go master-martial-artist and effortlesly knock them out. I don't know her limits. Or, more precisely - I don't know what options she have.

In simillar way, there is 'soft area' focused on Taylor's options. As example - before the last chapter, I would say, that creating anything as massive as walls and bringing out of 'Elsewhere' would be major strain for her. Hell, I would say, it was beyond her capabilities! Now... I don't know what to think. And yes, Taylor is damn powerfull. On the other hand she lost to Emma... On purpose? Was she limiting herself? Had to be. Otherwise why couldn't she create solid prison and drop it around Emma? Of, simpler, make her stumble by shifting ground under her foot.


By itself all of that is not a problem. Full knowledge is never present, and I'm definitely enjoying each new chapter. Problem is, that in all of those 'soft' areas, I need to 'go with the flow' while reading. I cannot really imagine it, so I cannot really judge. And so I have to suspend critical thinking and just accept what is happening on faith - cause of "because".

When there is too many 'soft areas' around, then going with the flow become less and less enjoyable, up to the point where it is not enjoyable at all.

This is why I brought infinite tinkertech replication. I creates another large soft spot of uncertainty for me. I can now no longer be certain what limits tinkers and tinkertech have. How outrageous it could get. Plus, plenty will happen with background, little will be shown and conection between established canon and current situation will weaken even further.


All in all, as I said, it is NOT a problem, currently. I just don't want to see story falling into this particular pitfall. Grounding and worldbuilding is good. And yes, reality arround Taylor is defined by narration and hence increasingly subjective - and it is good too. But more attention on consequences and situation outside of Taylor's group could only help. I'm certain you have clear picture of the whole situation in your head. Just please remember we, the readers, do not have that. Obvious is not always really obvious. Plus, readers are not (unfortunatelly) perfect. Reminding, and more detailed explaing could helps some of them - me included.
 
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To this day Luna can be sometimes see holding attributes of Aspects, that are never shown. Other Lunas remain submerged, but it is uneasy rest.

Now, I imagine [____] could do something about this problem. Being submerged, I mean - throwing Luna into existential crisis to outcrisis all other crisises. :)

And then I've seen those pictures:

http://jameszapata.deviantart.com/art/Moon-and-Crow-400045050
http://jameszapata.deviantart.com/art/Moon-and-Crow-399537991

And damn... this pair would make NICE alternative Luna.

And if Crow escaped? Hmmm.... ...on black wings, through darkened sky, he flew, seeking return of Her, who was his other half. Wounded, but not defeated he gathered strength on unknown shores. Searching, he drank from Lethe, and it had not power over him. He flew over strange lands beyond the stars. And grew, waiting for his moment... His name was Hope. Her name was Love. They will be united.

How often do You think Luna would curse [___] trolling during the ages?

Yeah...no.

All of Luna's other aspects are also Luna.

Whether she takes the form of the White Navigator or is incarnate as the Twin Faced Bride, or has become the Chthonic Baraa it doesn't change the fact that Luna is Luna.

All it changes is the flavor of horrible death she deals out.
 
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With the sinking of Kyushu, the diaspora of the citizens of Japan started. But not all natives were citizens... let alone human.

Rachel wasn't what some might call sociable. She really did try her best to understand the grown ups that she had been given to. The families that she had ended with.

That she had been told was now her new mommy.

She didn't like that woman. She hadn't liked the other two foster siblings.

And they had made it clear that they had only taken her in because of something to do with appearances... and money. Which was stupid, even she knew that she didn't have money to give them.

It wasn't bad, but it wasn't good.

She had thought that this time, things would be better. That the third foster mother would be nicer than the second; they had been strict, as had her four foster siblings.

The latest foster mother brooked no nonsense. Always punishing, never rewarding. Rachel was made to attend school, then after-school make up classes, with piano every other day, as if she couldn't be bad if she didn't have the time.

But she wasn't equipped to deal with this. Not for school, manners, or piano. She fought back. Challenged the foster-mother at every step. Punishment only had Rachel fighting back twice as hard.

Rollo had saved her, kept her from going insane. He hadn't look like a dog, not a proper dog. It was smaller than normal dogs, and it had more fur than she had seen on normal dogs, it looked like someone had crossed a hairy dog with a raccoon.

She had found him in the side street near her neighborhood. Every day, she had gone by... she had seen him digging around in the trash of the corner grocery store. It had taken work and scraps of her lunch to feed him day after day, week after week, to earn his trust. To get him to follow her.

She had set up a little home for Rollo at the very back of the rather large backyard, a little penned off area that he couldn't run out of. She had wanted to chain him... but that wouldn't be right. So, she had set up a little area for him out of sight of the house.

Thankfully, he was quiet... but feeding him was something that she found hard. All of her lunch money went towards buying him scraps of food. She guessed at what he needed, but she could never really be sure. The sacrifice of her lunches, the frequent lack of dinner meant that she went hungry most days, and she found herself getting headaches, and her stomach growled constantly during school. But it was a sacrifice she was willing to make.

Rollo made everything worthwhile.

She would wake up early in the morning to play with him. Talked to him, spoke to him of the things that she experienced. If she had been older, she might have not believed that he understood her words with the way he licked her hand.

And yet, dogs were cunning creatures, adaptive... and one summer morning, Rachel found that Rollo had dug a hole under the little fench she had made.

Dug a hole and escaped.

Searching the backyard for him, her blood ran cold at the sight of her dog, of Rollo, swimming in the pool. She had tried to get him out of the pool. Pled with him to get out of the water. She ran about the pool to lift him out, but he swam away from her.

It was clear that he was excited, he was having fun. And she might have been happy for him. But this ran the risk of her foster mother finding out.

It was then that the cover of the pool moved and started to close. When Rachel looked to the house, to the glass door... she saw her foster mother looking back at her, a single finger on the switch. It was obvious that she knew that Rachel knew about the door, she had been calling to him.

She could do nothing to save Rollo.

She had screamed. Had pounded on the door with her fists. To no avail. Her foster mother simply looked at her, coldly and calmly. This was simply another punishment, and the punishment always matched the crimes. And the dog was to be disposed of, much like how dinner would be thrown away into the garbage bin if one of the foster children spoke with a mouth full, or talked back with 'attitude'.

Rachel had blacked out for a moment at the sight of Rollo's head being forced under the tarp of the pool cover. She could hear the whining from him, could hear his excitement from swimming turn into distress...

She could only watch as he swam in small circles, his paws and muzzle pushing at the fabric of the cover.

A slight bulge that slipped downwards before bulging upwards again, and slide downwards.

It reached out to Rollo... her power... and the pool cover simply tore as Rollo grew large.

A giant monstrosity of fur.

An endless ball of fur, with cruel eyes that looked at her foster mother. It was at that sight that Rachel knew... knew with absolute certainty that Rollo was smart enough to know who had been responsible for trying to drown him.

There was a snarl and he went after her foster mother.

There was a splash of crimson from her foster family as he set upon them as a dog would upon a rabbit before he destroyed the house that she had suffered in.

She could only sit thee as everything she had, everything she had known was simply destroyed in an instant by Rollo.

Rollo who returned to her.

Rollo who licked her while wagging its short fluffy tail.

Rollo whose whine while enlarged sounded more like an Auuuu.

It didn't take too long before the PRT officers showed up to find Rachel weeping into the fur of Rollo.

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AN : So, a Bitch something... I think this was more something I was going to do in terms of a backstory for Goblin Queen or something. Bii needs sleep... @_@
 
Oh hey, Biigoh is writing self inserts now.

where he turns into a vicious monster and massacres an entire family...

guys, I think he may be hinting we should stop suggesting tanuki are for eating.
 
Oh hey, Biigoh is writing self inserts now.

where he turns into a vicious monster and massacres an entire family...

guys, I think he may be hinting we should stop suggesting tanuki are for eating.

Well, they are quite stringy. But Tanuki aren't for eating. They're for catching and snuggling and using as children's toys to make little kids happy.
 
Oh hey, Biigoh is writing self inserts now.

where he turns into a vicious monster and massacres an entire family...

guys, I think he may be hinting we should stop suggesting tanuki are for eating.
Nonsense, he's just saying they're no longer easy prey.

Now? Now they're a challenge. Now they are the most dangerous game.
 
Oh hey, Biigoh is writing self inserts now.

where he turns into a vicious monster and massacres an entire family...

guys, I think he may be hinting we should stop suggesting tanuki are for eating.
Biigoh just self-inserted into a tanuki who is blatantly guilty (of involuntary manslaughter while acting in self-defense).

Tanuki are no longer innocent.

Now the best he can say is "tanuki are acquitted".
 
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