Glory of the Emerald Empire (Legend of the 5 Rings Quest)

Onward you speak, telling of the plan you and the Nezumi concocted. Zara'hala and Faran'tek would race toward Shiro Hiruma, while Gazat'ken made his way to Shinsei's Last Hope. And all while this happened, you would carry the injured Jarit'ya upon your back so that he would not be left alone in the Shadowlands to die.
You have sosuke mentioned Gazat'ken leaving here.
"We passed a full day like that together, myself and Talak'tet. Jarit'ya, so terribly wounded, faded in and out of consciousness as we walked. He mumbled of ancient times, of glory lost, but I will not share those with you now. Those are stories in their own right, and worthy of their own tellings without the distraction of my own tale."

With Gazat'ken's parting the next day, you continue on with your march across the Shadowlands with Jarit'ya nestled on your shoulders. You make sure to stress you focused on endurance rather than speed, for you could not afford to wear yourself out in such a dangerous place. To do so would only leave you lessened, and that was far too great a risk to take.
And then you have Sosuke mention that he left again here after mentioning it was only him and two others together. Talak'tet was the one that left the next day not Gazat'ken.
 
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You have sosuke mentioned Gazat'ken leaving here.

And then you have Sosuke mention that he left again here after mentioning it was only him and two others together. Talak'tet was the one that left the next day not Gazat'ken.

Thank you very kindly for pointing that out! I've fixed the mistake.
 
@gman391 @Sirrocco Do you think we have inspired the Crane to do something like what they did with winter's court?
Which thing was that? I haven't been keeping up with the official fiction, so...

Anyway,
[x] Remain silent.
-[x] Try not to get lost in our memories

I wonder if our story will have any positive consequences for the Nezumi?

I also wonder how the Crane representative will react. In the short-term, we've probably shut down her ability to interfere with our mission; longer-term, it depends on whether she feels either a certain respect for our artistic talent or insulted by our refusal to conform to Crab stereotypes. Either way, we're probably going on the list of people to keep an eye on in the courts, especially since our young age (we're 18 now, I think?) means that we could potentially be a player in them for decades to come.

EDIT: Next time we have XP to spend, I think we need to start buying off Brash. Sosuke's had an IC wake-up call as to just how badly things could go should his anger overcome him, and I expect Shirou could help us work on it IC with whatever methods his monastery uses to train its monks to retain their composure.
 
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Which thing was that? I haven't been keeping up with the official fiction, so...
Here's something from tvtropes about it.

The tale of the Scorpion Daimyo Bayushi Ujiro as recorded in the in-universe novel "Winter" defines the Scorpion. The author, hosting a party for the most powerful people in Rokugan at her winter court, asked the assembled guests what must be the most important virtue a samurai can possess. Four clan champions take their turn to answer, each expounding on their clan's primary philosophy with a single line:
Hida Junuro: Strength! For a weak man is not a man at all.
Akodo Kyuinjin: Courage. For even if a man is strong, should he be a coward, his strength will serve nothing but his flight.
Shinjo Yuni: Resourcefulness, I think. Strength and courage are good and well, but if a man cannot think, he cannot make use of any of his virtues.
Bayushi Ujiro: Loyalty. For if a man is not loyal, all of his virtues serve your enemy.
  • It gets better. The Scorpion having won the debate hands-down, the Crab provokes him by asking "What does a Scorpion know of loyalty?" Ujiro smiles and challenges him and the other assembled daimyos to a test of loyalty to see which clan's samurai best embody the virtue. Each would call their yojimbo into the room one after another and give him a command, the same order for each man. If any man hesitated or questioned the command, he would be disqualified. To demonstrate, Ujiro went first and had his own bodyguard Shunsen called in.
    Bayushi Ujiro: Shunsen.
    Shunsen: My lord?
    Bayushi Ujiro: Kill me.
    Shunsen: Yes, my lord.
    Shunsen instantly draws his katana, cuts Ujiro down, drops his katana, draws his wakizashi and commits seppuku.
The crane made a play about it.
 
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The Crane made a play about it.
Ah, I see what you're asking.

Personally? I sincerely doubt it. Completely aside from the Crane opinion of the Crab (and thus lack of any desire to glorify them), our story involves too much open violence, too much Shadowlands, and too much Nezumi for them to see it as fit for general audiences.

The Scorpion, on the other hand, might have already made one.
 
Effects on the Crane...

I thought about this one while offline. Right now, the Crane is probably in a serious state of shock... and not due to surprise. The very concept of the Shadowlands makes her uncomfortable. It's a weakness - to the point where she tries to deflect it, and our Highly Effective Scorpion Support consisted of the scorpion just drawing an allusion from something she said to a topic adjacent to the shadowlands, so that we could talk about it at only one remove without her being able to effectively tell us to stop... which we did, thus upping the ante a bit. Then others chimed in when she tried to dismiss it again, which left Yasuki Goro open to ask us to Tell Our Story... and we spent a significant portion of said story describing the threat and horror of the Shadowlands in direct, powerfully evocative words.

My vague interpretation of things is that she has a social disadvantage much like our Brash (possibly implied rather than statted, based on how common it is). Based on that metaphor, the equivalent would have been if she'd given a thinly veiled humorous story ridiculing us, our honor, our family, our clan, and our Duty, as means to entertain and distract a group of powerful tainted samurai while others prepared a counterattack, in such a way that it was obvious to us that she was really enjoying the excuse to just twist that knife as much as she could. We hit her nope buttons with tremendous force, and in a way that she basically can't respond to, and gained ourselves significant amounts of credit in her value system at the same time.

Right now, she's probably as stunned as we are... but we can totally sit down and be quiet right now, and she *can't*. She really can't afford to not react to this right now - and she doesn't even have any allies in the room to gain her breathing room (other than her yojimbo, who's not in a particularly good social position to respond).

Essentially, Yasuki Goro just used us as a conversational testubo. It was Super Effective (and a crit).
 
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Yasuki Goro: Bad Crane! *Whap!*

Yasuki Goro uses Hiruma Sasuke!

Its Super Effective!

Crane is Stunned! Hiruma Sasuke gains Potential Waifu buff!

*An ominous air can be felt*
 
Now, every time we tell this story we get better and better at it... next time we will have to tell it to the emperor.
Let's... not push our luck.

We did *really well* here. We should accept that, and be glad of it, and not blindly assume that the next time will work as well.

Never marry a Scorpion. It's almost as bad as being their "Friend" or enemy, except when it's worse.

That is... an incomplete view, at best.

The Scorpion have a fair number among their ranks who are *very* attractive, and trained in the arts of being appealing (along with other courtier arts, and spycraft. Most are not ninja.) This makes them honestly appealing as wives, for those guys out there who like the idea of marrying someone attractive and fun to be around. The Scorpion leverage this pretty heavily to establish and maintain ties to the other clans, to gain eyes and ears in appropriate places, and to gain a degree of influence with the husbands in question. (I suspect there are equally attractive, similarly-trained male scorpion out there as well, but they're *probably* not as common.) In general this is good for the Scorpion, and so they keep doing it.

Whether it's good for the husband... well, it depends. In particular, the virtue of the Scorpion is Loyalty - just like the virtue of the Crab is Duty. Loyalty really means something to them, but they do not give it out easily. That's why they're so willing to betray even lifelong companions on behalf of their clan. In those cases, the Clan had their loyalty, and the companions did not. Much, then, depends on whether you can gain your wife's loyalty for yourself. Of course, there's also a matter of how the influence of the Scorpion in your life is likely to apply.

In our case, the Scorpion are pretty much on board with our vocation (actively and often violently opposing Jikogu at every opportunity), and likely appreciate our newfound hobby (making Crane courtiers really uncomfortable). As long as both of those remain the case, we're pretty good there. Additionally, we're going with the status-development strategy of "I will Be Awesome and Do Awesome Things, while not making any attempt at all to advocate for myself." That makes it less likely that we'll wind up with a position that they actually want for someone else. If we marry a Scorpion Bride, it makes it much *more* likely that we'll wind up in a position that they want us to be in (as she is highly likely to be advocating for us in the right place, in order to achieve that). At that point, we continue to hang around being awesome, while she takes advantage of our position to tweak things here and there - and if we've gained her loyalty in the meantime, we can be pretty well assured that it will be to our advantage, and the advancement of our goals. It will probably involve making Crane sad regardless. She will probably want us to invest further into our storytelling skill for just this reason.

As far as gaining her loyalty... well, we're pretty smooth for a crab, we have quite a lot of honor, we're kind of a heroic figure... certainly, there are Scorpion out there who wouldn't think all that much of what we have to offer, but I'd say we have a better shot at it than most Crab.

I'm not saying "This is awesome, and we should totally go for it." I'm saying "Hey - assuming we can get the Yandere thing handled, it's not necessarily a bad outcome."
 
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Unless the Yandere is a Scorpion and Himawarmi is just a red herring
*Puts on tinfoil hat*


And yes given time we could probably make the rest of the clans very angry.

Or something else. Well ask and see.
 
Another thing is that there are virtues and there are personal interpretation of virtues. The better relationship with Scorpion wife the more potential orders move from "it's for the good of my clan" to "it's for the good of scheming asshole and I'm sooooo not sure about Clan". And if somebody who can force issue regardless (like head of the clan or head of wife's family) want us dead we have much bigger issue than Scorpion wife.
 
Let's... not push our luck.

We did *really well* here. We should accept that, and be glad of it, and not blindly assume that the next time will work as well.



That is... an incomplete view, at best.

The Scorpion have a fair number among their ranks who are *very* attractive, and trained in the arts of being appealing (along with other courtier arts, and spycraft. Most are not ninja.) This makes them honestly appealing as wives, for those guys out there who like the idea of marrying someone attractive and fun to be around. The Scorpion leverage this pretty heavily to establish and maintain ties to the other clans, to gain eyes and ears in appropriate places, and to gain a degree of influence with the husbands in question. (I suspect there are equally attractive, similarly-trained male scorpion out there as well, but they're *probably* not as common.) In general this is good for the Scorpion, and so they keep doing it.

Whether it's good for the husband... well, it depends. In particular, the virtue of the Scorpion is Loyalty - just like the virtue of the Crab is Duty. Loyalty really means something to them, but they do not give it out easily. That's why they're so willing to betray even lifelong companions on behalf of their clan. In those cases, the Clan had their loyalty, and the companions did not. Much, then, depends on whether you can gain your wife's loyalty for yourself. Of course, there's also a matter of how the influence of the Scorpion in your life is likely to apply.

In our case, the Scorpion are pretty much on board with our vocation (actively and often violently opposing Jikogu at every opportunity), and likely appreciate our newfound hobby (making Crane courtiers *really* *uncomfortable). As long as both of those remain the case, we're pretty good there. Additionally, we're going with the status-development strategy of "I will Be Awesome and Do Awesome Things, while not making any attempt at all to advocate for myself." That makes it less likely that we'll wind up with a position that they actually want for someone else. If we marry a Scorpion Bride, it makes it much *more* likely that we'll wind up in a position that they want us to be in (as she is highly likely to be advocating for us in the right place, in order to achieve that). At that point, we continue to hang around being awesome, while she takes advantage of our position to tweak things here and there - and if we've gained her loyalty in the meantime, we can be pretty well assured that it will be to our advantage, and the advancement of our goals. It will probably involve making Crane sad regardless. She will probably want us to invest further into our storytelling skill for just this reason.

As far as gaining her loyalty... well, we're pretty smooth for a crab, we have quite a lot of honor, we're kind of a heroic figure... certainly, there are Scorpion out there who wouldn't think all that much of what we have to offer, but I'd say we have a better shot at it than most Crab.

I'm not saying "This is awesome, and we should totally go for it." I'm saying "Hey - assuming we can get the Yandere thing handled, it's not necessarily a bad outcome."
So what do you think the rest of the clans here opinions of Sosuke is going to be?
 
So what do you think the rest of the clans here opinions of Sosuke is going to be?
rough estimates?

Lion: Good storyteller, compelling story, brave and honorable warrior. They are inclined to like us personally, and we've gained at least a little influence from them. Also, watching the Crane get taken down a peg is satisfying, especially for an Ikoma, especially when it's obviously as a result of a story being told. Himawari thinks that we're a very interesting young man, who she might like to get to know better... though the Hanabi thing looks like it could get real ugly, and it might not be worth getting in the middle of that.

Scorpion: The Bayushi Diamyo has put out word that she'd like the Scorpion to support us... and she has a *lot* of pull with the Scorpion. As an added benefit, they get to watch the Crane get taken down a peg, and that's always good clean fun. Being able to do it while retaining the apparent moral high ground is even better. Plus, Yasuki Goro is apparently a pretty smooth operator, and not opposed to working together for mutual benefit. That has... possibilities. Now give me a moment while I recover from the experience of hearing that story - that was seriously impressive.

Phoenix: This kid looks to be an up-and-coming potential hero, and hates all of the people I hate, as is right and proper (if in a somewhat different balance). I like him. I approve of jade being used to kill creatures of the Shadowlands. Also, Yasuki Goro apparently wasn't kidding when he said he had some entertainment. That was a well-told tale.

Crane: I am experiencing a Highly Uncomfortable fusion of artistic appreciation and shuddering horror. This one is... more than I had been led to believe, and my position at the moment is probably shot. I am going to have to reassess some of my assumptions, and probably try a different tack entirely. For right now, I need to try to limit the damage this is going to do to my case while I play for time to recover. Perhaps Kitsuki-sama would agree to a short break for ablutions and the like? That would also help get us off this dreadful topic and back into safer waters.

Togashi: Started out neutral. Our initial discussion bent them towards somewhat favorable. Our story has almost certainly pushed them further, especially its demonstrations of our character - compassion, bravery, humility, a willingness to let an enemy live so that we might save a friend, and so forth. They are likely seeking in the experience for any insights it might give. Are not likely to actually do anything except speak when spoken to, but if the Kitsuki diamyo asks their opinion (which he might) it wont hurt our case a bit.

Mirumoto: Impressed by our storytelling, respectful of our clear bravery and combat prowess. The fact that we're taking the Crane down a notch doesn't hurt anything either. Of course, they've been following our journey for a while now. As compared to the sotries they've heard thus far, this one likely showed them a much more human side to us, while also bringing home more strongly the horrors we face out there. Personally, probably someone more inclined to sympathy, but they're likely professional enough that that will mean basically nothing with respect to convincing the Kitsuki Diamyo about anything. Mirumoto Hanabi's chances of convincing the appropriate set of superiors to try to marry her off to us has just improved noticeably.

Kitsuki: no real idea. He doesn't want us to know what he's thinking, and he's better at it than we are. He likely has at least some directions from the Clan Champion as well, and we have no idea what *they* are. We're definitely ahead of the Crane on points for the day, and I'm sure he's aware of the nature and attitudes of the Master of Fire. Additionally, we just made Something Kind Of Awesome Happen in his court - and the sorts of people who have courts like it when things like that happen. It reinforces the idea that those courts are interesting and worthwhile places to be. Still, this is early on. We've certainly helped our cause, and Yasuki Goro is absolutely going to work it for all it's worth, but we've got a few more rounds to go, both in court during the day and around court during the evenings.

One thing that I *know* will happen. The Crane isn't going to be satisfied with this. She's going to be looking for a new plan, and an edge. We'll want to be very careful not to insult either her or her yojimbo, especially not in private. Indeed, we don't want to be alone with either of them under basically any circumstances. She will probably find out about the Hanabi thing at some point, and likely seek to use that against us - a potential reason to move somewhat proactively on that front. On the flip side, Hanabi isn't hugely inclined to like her (Kakita/Mirumoto and all), and is certainly aware that she doesn't like us, so at least some of those dangers are reduced.

The Crane will aslo be lookign for allies. Crane make friends as easily as breathing, and the bit where we were surrounded by allies and she wasn't was bizarre to her. Of the available options...
- Attempting to cozy up to the Scorpion will do her no good, and may well do her harm.
- We're obviously off the table
- She'll likely try to appeal to the Phoenix. Whether or not she succeeds will depend on what external thigns she can offer him, details of his personality, and so forth. I don't know enough here.
- She's pretty much guaranteed to try to get in good with some of the local Kitsuki, and possibly the Mirumoto as well. No idea how well she'll do here either.
- For the Lion, she'd have to have something to offer them, or some other edge.

A lot of how well she does moving forward is going to depend on the depth of the pool of gifts and favors she can draw on for this mission. I'd suspect that she'll fade into the background for a while, too - let the Dragon test us, while she works on acquiring supporters one-on-one, in a setting where it's a lot easier to convince people to remember things the way you want them to. She'll take a more central part in the discussions once she thinks she has better support locked in. That sort of thing is for Yasuki Goro to counter, though. It's not our battlefield.
 
I agree with your analysis, @Sirrocco, but you missed the real problem with Scorpon's, as brides or otherwise.

You can never be sure who their loyalty is to.

The're trained from a young age in deception. The're better at lying than their clan is at spotting it, so even the Scorpion don't nessecarly know, and at any time, they might stab us in the back.

I never want to have anything to do with Scorpion's. You can never quite trust them.
 
and at any time, they might stab us in the back.
And it's outright wrong. Not at any time, but when Scorpion would greatly benefit from it. And the better relationship with spouse the greater that "greatly" should be. And frankly speaking? Except for personal clashes Scorpion usually have nothing to gain going against Crab. They interests are too diferent and so is usual area of operation.

For Crane? Scorpion wife is suicide. For Lion? Great risk. For Dragon or Phoenix? Well, that depends. For Crab (well, non-Yasuki Crab)? Actually better than other possible alternatives especially with possibility of interaction with Scorpions as she covers areas Crab are usually weak in and actually lessens risk of possible conflict with Scorpion as she can act "soft-touch" before "hard-touch" is even needed.
 
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And it's outright wrong. Not at any time, but when Scorpion would greatly benefit from it. And the better relationship with spouse the greater that "greatly" should be. And frankly speaking? Except for personal clashes Scorpion usually have nothing to gain going against Crab. They interests are too diferent and so is usual area of operation.

For Crane? Scorpion wife is suicide. For Lion? Great risk. For Dragon or Phoenix? Well, that depends. For Crab (well, non-Yasuki Crab)? Actually better than other possible alternatives especially with possibility of interaction with Scorpions as she covers areas Crab are usually weak in and actually lessens risk of possible conflict with Scorpion as she can act "soft-touch" before "hard-touch" is even needed.
They're a group trained it deceit from a very young age.

No, you can never know when one has been seduced to a non-Scorpion loyalty, or what the Scorpion will be planning.

Scorpion's make the best bloodspeakers, because they're already trained in getting away with murder.

Face it, Scorpion's make great hidden bad guys, and you can never be sure that any Scorpion isn't going to be one of them.

Bottom line? Never trust a Scorpion. Ever.
 
So did we not mention that the whole battle of skulking shadows happened during our Gempukku?
Actually, it didn't. It happened almost immediately after our Gempukku. We'd made it across the Shadowlands and returned with the ogre head before the battle began.
And it's outright wrong. Not at any time, but when Scorpion would greatly benefit from it. And the better relationship with spouse the greater that "greatly" should be. And frankly speaking? Except for personal clashes Scorpion usually have nothing to gain going against Crab. They interests are too diferent and so is usual area of operation.

For Crane? Scorpion wife is suicide. For Lion? Great risk. For Dragon or Phoenix? Well, that depends. For Crab (well, non-Yasuki Crab)? Actually better than other possible alternatives especially with possibility of interaction with Scorpions as she covers areas Crab are usually weak in and actually lessens risk of possible conflict with Scorpion as she can act "soft-touch" before "hard-touch" is even needed.
Indeed. All you have to do is shrug and say "Well, all right, dear." when she makes reasonable suggestions and you can go on being happily oblivious while things magically arrange themselves around you to not trouble you too much.

The higher the rank/value you have, the higher the "greatly" as well, and "respected, heroic Crab warrior" is about as good as it gets for having a lot of glory/status without being in a position where betraying you is worth all that much.

They're a group trained it deceit from a very young age.

No, you can never know when one has been seduced to a non-Scorpion loyalty, or what the Scorpion will be planning.

Scorpion's make the best bloodspeakers, because they're already trained in getting away with murder.

Face it, Scorpion's make great hidden bad guys, and you can never be sure that any Scorpion isn't going to be one of them.

Bottom line? Never trust a Scorpion. Ever.
Your opinion is noted, but it is not one I share.

Also, it's possible to, with effort and attention, do the sorts of things that engender love in the heart of your spouse. They may not *always* work, and there's certainly no dating-sim-esque guaranteed technique, but treating them well, making them happy, showing them affection, helping them feel safe and loved and valued and important and so forth... these things can and do work out in the real world.
 
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