Glorious Shotgun Princess, Thread 3

biigoh said:
The god of paperwork exist. She's VERY high up the totem pole. Like one step below the incarna.
Ryzala (or however you spell her name), Shogun of Bureaucracy, is the head of the Bureau of Heaven, the most powerful of the five Bureaus [1].

Because the Incarnae are a bunch of wasted drug addicts who rarely leave their crack den, she's the de facto ruler of Heaven.

(She's also basically "Dolores Umbrige, if she was a mantis-woman-hybrid-with-ink-dripping-scythes". And is nominally Bronze Faction friendly, but is really Ryzala Faction, where she'd cheerfully sign paperwork saying that Heaven acknowledges a new Solar Deliberative - especially since she doesn't actually like Sidereals at all or Kejak in particular.)

(She's pretty high up the list of "Gods who need a face beating from Immaculate masters". It's a very long list.)

[1] At least on an administrative level; the Bureau of Destiny is the only serious rival to it and Destiny spends its political influence in different ways to Heaven. Also, you know, Destiny is basically de facto controlled by the "we're not sure how tightly they're leashed" left-over murder weapons from the Primordial War. Which from a godly point of view means that one of the five Bureaus, and the one with the most direct Creation-based influence, is basically controlled by left-over Skynet, which we're pretty sure won't go and kill us for no reason. So we'll just be careful not to give them a reason, and only do things like petty bureaucratic harassment in our power plays. [2]

[2] Gods who try to have Sidereals executed or imprisoned or rendered incapable of doing their jobs tend to have several older Sidereals sit down with them over a nice pot of tea, and have it explained that if you want to play hardball with the Five Score Fellowship, they'll feed you your own balls.
 
So, just for Creation, we have so far:
1) EDie.
2) Eye of Autochthon.
3) Illusive Man.
4) Ryzala & company.
5) Bronze Faction & Kejack.
vs.
Wuffles, Kal, Kamilla and Autochthon.

This is going to be interesting.
 
EarthScorpion said:
For one, he's now a god.

That means the Games are entirely and fully addictive for him, and god-level mental defences... nope, not helping.
Which means we need Deus! :p /joking
 
SpacePaladin said:
I think Auto is going to not get addicted to the games, so much as he's going to get addicted to rebuilding the games.
Not how it works. Autocthon is not a Primordial. He is not a Primordial and does not have Exalted-grade mental defences. Therefore he will be hopelessly addicted if he even looks at the games.

That's one of the costs for, you know, no longer being a world-titan and instead being able to easily interact at the human scale.

(The solution is to not go near the Games of Divinity. This does entail Autocthon showing some self-control or a healthy sense of self preservation.)
 
EarthScorpion said:
Not how it works. Autocthon is not a Primordial. He is not a Primordial and does not have Exalted-grade mental defences. Therefore he will be hopelessly addicted if he even looks at the games.

That's one of the costs for, you know, no longer being a world-titan and instead being able to easily interact at the human scale.

(The solution is to not go near the Games of Divinity. This does entail Autocthon showing some self-control or a healthy sense of self preservation.)
We can always presume that 'getting pretty goddesses to kiss him because he's showing responsibility' may override his 'go to the Games of Divinity' instincts.
 
rkbinder said:
Or maybe, just maybe, because he was one of the main architects of the games, Autochthon knows how to turn the addiction trap off (if it was a feature not a bug) or fix it. The main reason the UCS is addicted is that the games are the only thing he can't insta-win. And to a guy who is 'perfect' that is unique. The UCS suffers a similar problem to one-punch man. Otherwise he can lol-nope that addiction easily.

Anyway the exalted are not immune to the addiction. They can just remove it like any other unnatural influence. Wasn't there a charm in "under the rose" or "return of the scarlet empress" that let a solar 'punch' the mental influence out of someone? (unless those adventure are unmentionable here, like **** **** ********* *******)
Unless it got changed later on it is simply adictive because it is so good that being without a compound soul structure are unable to resist its lure.
 
rkbinder said:
Or maybe, just maybe, because he was one of the main architects of the games, Autochthon knows how to turn the addiction trap off (if it was a feature not a bug) or fix it. The main reason the UCS is addicted is that the games are the only thing he can't insta-win. And to a guy who is 'perfect' that is unique. The UCS suffers a similar problem to one-punch man. Otherwise he can lol-nope that addiction easily.

Anyway the exalted are not immune to the addiction. They can just remove it like any other unnatural influence. Wasn't there a charm in "under the rose" or "return of the scarlet empress" that let a solar 'punch' the mental influence out of someone? (unless those adventure are unmentionable here, like **** **** ********* *******)
"Turn off the addiction trap"

Well, there goes any chance of me taking you seriously. Oh noes! The fact that the game is so frickin' awesome that anyone who isn't a world-titan and who isn't protected by anti-world-titan-grade mental defences gets addicted is a trap hmm?

I'd have thought it was more a consequence of the games being so awesome because they were made to keep the attention of living cosmoses, not lesser beings whose souls don't even have souls. You know, awesome enough that people get addicted to them by watching memory crystals of the dreams of people who've seen them. And your "The main reason the UCS is addicted is that the games are the only thing he can't insta-win" is dumb, incidentally, because all the other Incarnae, and all the lesser gods who get to watch a move or two, are also addicted. No, the reason the Games are addictive is that the Games are awesome. Which is - as per Games of Divinity - basically one of the main justifications the Incarnae in their own words said to justify their rebellion.

So, yeah. The way to turn off the "trap" is to make the games less Best Game Ever, and into something more like, you know, Medal of Honour: Warfighter.

And then the Incarnae kick the shit out of you because they're going cold turkey. Because you made the Games lame.
 
rkbinder said:
Or maybe, just maybe, because he was one of the main architects of the games, Autochthon knows how to turn the addiction trap off (if it was a feature not a bug) or fix it. The main reason the UCS is addicted is that the games are the only thing he can't insta-win. And to a guy who is 'perfect' that is unique. The UCS suffers a similar problem to one-punch man. Otherwise he can lol-nope that addiction easily.

Anyway the exalted are not immune to the addiction. They can just remove it like any other unnatural influence. Wasn't there a charm in "under the rose" or "return of the scarlet empress" that let a solar 'punch' the mental influence out of someone? (unless those adventure are unmentionable here, like **** **** ********* *******)
THIS IS NOT THE SAME AUTOCHTHON. seriously.
 
Serious question about the Games and the addictiveness thereof: how would it affect Wuffles?

Specifically, since he's more-or-less a giant collection of small gods now, would it be possible for him to sacrifice one of them to the addiction and then protect the rest of his collective by only viewing the Games indirectly, via the addicted member? Or is the awesomeness of the Games metaphysically potent enough that even interacting with them in the context of someone else's memories can leave you addicted to them?
 
TheSandman said:
Serious question about the Games and the addictiveness thereof: how would it affect Wuffles?

Specifically, since he's more-or-less a giant collection of small gods now, would it be possible for him to sacrifice one of them to the addiction and then protect the rest of his collective by only viewing the Games indirectly, via the addicted member? Or is the awesomeness of the Games metaphysically potent enough that even interacting with them in the context of someone else's memories can leave you addicted to them?
Well, it works on Luna, and she has multiple personalities and is the only god with colocation capability. OTOH, she's also a functional addict - she still does take action directly on occasion and just uses her colocation hax to play and do other things at the same time.
 
TheSandman said:
Serious question about the Games and the addictiveness thereof: how would it affect Wuffles?

Specifically, since he's more-or-less a giant collection of small gods now, would it be possible for him to sacrifice one of them to the addiction and then protect the rest of his collective by only viewing the Games indirectly, via the addicted member? Or is the awesomeness of the Games metaphysically potent enough that even interacting with them in the context of someone else's memories can leave you addicted to them?
Watching them played through a memory crystal made by another god is enough to get you addicted. So nope, that wouldn't work. The only defences are Exalted/Primordial-Tier Mental Defences (which are only possessed by, uh, Exalted and Primordials), or Not Interacting With Them In The First Place.
 
Aleph said:
Watching them played through a memory crystal made by another god is enough to get you addicted. So nope, that wouldn't work. The only defences are Exalted/Primordial-Tier Mental Defences (which are only possessed by, uh, Exalted and Primordials), or Not Interacting With Them In The First Place.
... or not having enough free will to choose to behave in an addictive manner towards them, I presume.
 
Actually the Geth (Wuffles or the collective) do have a get-out-of-addiction-free card:
They can edit their own memories. It is not advised, based on their reaction to finding out that Auto did it to himself.. but as computer programs they have the ability.

I would be extremely surprised if they didn't delete the memories and then slap a giant post-it-note on their digital records about the games:
Highly addictive. Do not go near. We already had to pull an Auto to fix ouselves - yes, future selves, it was that bad.
The first rule of the Games is you do not think about the Games.
The second rule of the Games is you do not think about the Games.
(The third rule of the Games is you don't get within 10 miles of the Games.)
 
The Geth seem like they might be wise enough to avoid the situation in the first place.


"Sorry, no time for play, we have to save ourselves and the other people we care about from the Reapers."
 
................

And I thought I behaved idiotically. Oh boy.
 
Aleph said:
Watching them played through a memory crystal made by another god is enough to get you addicted. So nope, that wouldn't work. The only defences are Exalted/Primordial-Tier Mental Defences (which are only possessed by, uh, Exalted and Primordials), or Not Interacting With Them In The First Place.
That raises another scary (and still relevant to the story, assuming that one of the things on Auto's to-do list is to try and make Yu-Shan work better) question, then: just how much of the population of Yu-Shan is addicted?

Because (and please correct me if I'm wrong) I was under the impression that even if relatively few of the gods ever get to take a turn at the Games, most of them will have watched a turn or two for entertainment.

On a different subject, did the last Creation-born holder of Kal's Exaltation leave anything behind for future incarnations? And how likely is it that the other Bluesids send someone to retrieve Kasumi and have her start doing her share of their workload?
 
TheSandman said:
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On a different subject, did the last Creation-born holder of Kal's Exaltation leave anything behind for future incarnations? And how likely is it that the other Bluesids send someone to retrieve Kasumi and have her start doing her share of their workload?
They will need Kejack himself to be even able catch that superprocrastinator and bring her to justice back to her office and get that charming bluesid girl from earlier doing overtime with her mace for Kasumi to do the overdue paperwork.
 
GreggHL said:
Hey, everyone? This is a sign that Gregg might be getting a bit annoyed with the current discussion on ideas to avoid getting caught in the trap of the Games of Divinity. I don't want to step on any toes, but I think it's time to drop this topic.
 
Monshroud said:
On a different note, in the MEverse, I hope Thaumaturgy is quickly becoming exceedingly well studied.
Given that the last several chapters have been mostly following Autochthon and Kal, how the hell is this any more relevant than debating whether the Geth can turn into a Primordial?
 
Alasnuyo said:
Question: What does Lytek think about all the recent events? I mean, canonically he knew about the Curse and tried to fix it himself, but failed. The only reason he kept mum about it for so long is because he feared that if people found out that he kept such an important thing secret (which might have prevented the Usurpation), he would get fired. Using the Godspear of All-Searing Noon.

So now Autochthon has returned to Heaven to fix the issue. Lytek would probably panic when he hears of it. Would he try play dumb about knowing the Curse? Bribe Auto to keep it quiet? Bravely face the music? Or flee to ME-verse seeking asylum?
"Yes, yes, of course Great Maker. It was my fault. I should have brought the issues of the Curse to your attention as OH WAIT. I forgot, you ran like a little girl the first moment the Solars looked at you funny. Yes, though admittedly, despite you riding your yellow streak straight into Elsewhere through a fantastic bit of forethought, I should I brought this matter to the attention of the Most High OH WAIT. I apologize, Unconquered Sun. I would not want to interrupt your busy schedule of playing the Games and snorting celestial cocaine out of Saturn's hooha."

And also,

"Though my wisdom in not informing people who would want to melt me into star metal may be questionable, I would like to add that in the fifteen hundred years since I was beaten, restrained, and forced to watch the majority of the Solar Exaltations stuffed into a chest and tossed into the Ocean, none of the Solars have had the urge or motivation to skull-fuck Ryzala, Chejop Kejak, or the entire Bronze Faction to death. Hence, my professionalism cannot be questioned. On that note, can someone tell me what happened to half the Solar Exaltations?"
 
TheSandman said:
Serious question about the Games and the addictiveness thereof: how would it affect Wuffles?

Specifically, since he's more-or-less a giant collection of small gods now, would it be possible for him to sacrifice one of them to the addiction and then protect the rest of his collective by only viewing the Games indirectly, via the addicted member? Or is the awesomeness of the Games metaphysically potent enough that even interacting with them in the context of someone else's memories can leave you addicted to them?
Wuffles wouldn't even be interested in the games because he's too busy helping Kal with paperwork. Even if he did get the free time, Wuffles wouldn't want to play the games because no one would tell him what it is, what the rules are, what the exploits are, and what the system requirements are to create his own home version that they could bring to the Geth.

Following that, Wuffles would figure out how to artifact up a LAN network and introduce the gods to Call of Duty.
 
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