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Glorious Shotgun Princess (ME/Exalted) Thread #2

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Nicholai said:
DaWrecka, it is worth pointing out that if he helped engineer the overthrow of the other Primordials he could do "fun and interesting things" to the gods. He also has the tact that the divine gave a flung brick and has hideous people skills. I like Auto a a character, but his personality is hard to be around in-story. It might just be possible that people react to Auto being around as "Oh, crap. Everyone get him!" so they can arrest him to keep him from breaking anything important. Like cities, mountain ranges, or Yu-Shan.
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..or Creation. Because even if he doesn't have the powers to do so now directly..he still has the full knowledge of nearly every nut, bolt, seam, reinforcing, hidden access admin account and concept nexus that is underpining existance itself for two universes. He is a hovering potential apocalypse..just look what happened to Gem.

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DaWrecka said:
I was kind of under the impression that while Auto might've made the lives of some gods a bit harder, he wasn't a total asshole like the other Primordials. Hell, Autochthon's life was also hell because of those assholes. Hell, without Autochthon there wouldn't have been a rebellion at all, because there'd have been no Exalted. And no Exalted means the gods would've still been slaves.

Now granted these are still good reasons for holding a grudge against Auto... but "he was one of the jerks making our lives hell for aeons" doesn't really fly for me.
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Ha ha ha. Oh, the "Autocthon was on the Exalted's side so he's nice" fallacy.

Autocthon was not nice. Autocthon was not friendly. Autocthon did not like humans because he was a friend of underdogs or weaklings; he liked them because they did things he liked. The relationship is one of supplicant and target of adoration - the supplicant must keep on doing what pleases the target to maintain the favour.

Autocthon was a sick, twisted god-monster whose insanity meant he violated every barrier. To the gods stuck cleaning up after him, the difference between him carrying out another ill-considered creation and Isidoros rampaging through an area is... well, mostly that fixing up after Isiodoros is more predictable than whatever Autocthon has done this time. He was a world in his own right, who would sometimes shed Void-monsters into Creation in the same way that a human might shed dandruff. He simply would not notice if he ate a mountain to get raw materials for something, and rendering down gods is the easiest way to get starmetal... and he needed a lot of starmetal.

Gaia and Autocthon might have been on the side of the gods, but never mistake that for being "not a Primordial". And all Primordials are mad-god pantheons, vast in a way which shadows even the mightiest gods. All but the Incarna are inferior to the souls of a Primordial; even the weakest Primordial has eight souls, even before the world-god-pantheon is taken into account. And the Primordial itself is a world, an ecosystem, a panethon in its own right, and it doesn't pay much attention to little things like mountains and cities and divine sanctums unless its attention is specifically drawn.

That is what has returned to Creation; lessened, a fraction of what he was. Now vulnerable. Trust me on this; there will be no small number of very senior gods with grudges against Autocthon, the entity which scared Luna. The gods were the roombas the Primordials made to keep the floor clean, and the fact that one of the owners helped the roombas give the mice laser guns to kill the other owners does not change the fact that he also used to take roombas apart and rebuild them for his own amusement, and leave oil all over the garage floor.
 
Talon88.1 said:
@Earthscorpion
If this is the case, why do the angry gods not slay Gaia's human-form jouten? Wouldn't that slay Gaia-Oh, wait. Right. Neverborn. Nevermind. Forgot that little detail for a second.
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"Oh, that's nice. You're adorable. Go on. Try to hit me. What's that, you can't? You mean you're specifically made to be Geas'd so you can't raise a hand against me. What a silly little godling you are, getting such ideas above your station. But don't worry. I won't hurt you. I am kind and caring and compassionate."

*pause*

"Oh, Lu~uuuuna."

And if the Celestials had got the idea of killing Gaia in the First Age, they would have run into the issue that she's the grandmother of the Dragonblooded. And history has shown what happens to the Celestial host when they get on the wrong side of the Dragonblooded.

And in the First Age, there were more Dragonblooded per Celestial than there currently are Dragonblooded alive in Creation right now total.

By contrast, even before he was a god, Autocthon was an antisocial nerd who didn't have an Incarna as a fuckbuddy or millions of Exalts.
Talon88.1 said:
On another point, Auto is a E10 god. Doesn't that put him on par with the top eight or so gods in Creation? Even if hes not combat focused, he should be dangerous if pushed, right?
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Basically? No. Gods don't come with the broad combat capabilities of Exalts (exemplified by the Dragonblooded, whose study of Lore lets them fire elemental bolts from their hands. Everything they have is an extension of their theme.

You can assume that any Exalt who's lived past 50 or so has picked up at least some level of survivability; after all, the only kind of Exalt which doesn't have at least some of the world trying to kill them is... oh, wait, there's no such kind of Exalt. Gods aren't the same. And Autocthon has spent most of his divine existence on Deus, pottering around like an old retired grandfather making things and taking prodigies like Iri.
 
Talon88.1 said:
@Earthscorpion
If this is the case, why do the angry gods not slay Gaia's human-form jouten? Wouldn't that slay Gaia-Oh, wait. Right. Neverborn. Nevermind. Forgot that little detail for a second.
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A) Only the Exalted are capable of killing a Primordial into a Neverborn

B) The Incarnae without the Geas are the only gods that are actually a threat to Gaia.

C) Gaia's offensive power is, by word of god, in the same ballpark as Malfeas

D) The Geas applies to all of the gods, not just the Incarnae.

E) Luna would be enraged beyond all reason by anyone attempting to kill Gaia, much less succeeding. Nobody wants Luna that pissed at them.
 
Talon88.1 said:
@Earthscorpion
If this is the case, why do the angry gods not slay Gaia's human-form jouten? Wouldn't that slay Gaia-Oh, wait. Right. Neverborn. Nevermind. Forgot that little detail for a second.

On another point, Auto is a E10 god. Doesn't that put him on par with the top eight or so gods in Creation? Even if hes not combat focused, he should be dangerous if pushed, right?
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Gods can't so much as touch the Primordials menacingly with the Geas in place. Otherwise, they wouldn't have thought to use the Exalts in the first place.

Also, Auto may be an E10 god, but he's specialized in craft. Unlike every other example of an E10 god we have (the Incarna), Auto is not built with combat in mind. Sol was made to patrol the borders of Creation when the Primordials got bored of Fey invading, Luna was made to sex up Gaia and, though I don't recall exactly, deal with everything that slipped past Sol, and the Maidens are each individually weaker than the other two and have access to the hax that is Fate and SMAs that they're all dangerous in their own right, too.

Auto was none of that. See, even as a god-body, one-man-pantheon Primordial Autocthon was the weak, sickly outcast nerd of the Primordials. Not much of a fighter, not much of a socializer, the only thing he was good at (by Primordial standards) was making really sweet shit. Which the others stole and broke and threw back at him to fix when they got bored.

As a god, Auto is now even more restricted. Gods are not Exalts. They aren't meant to be versatile engines of destruction designed to take down the architects of reality. They're extremely-specialized autonomous vacuums that were made to ensure that their responsibility doesn't violate casuality and, say, have a river flow upwards, or have leaves smell of mathematics. It doesn't matter that he used to be the King of Craftsmen and Engineer of Exaltation; he's a god now, though an incredibly powerful one, but his powers only extend to his ridiculous prowess at craft, even though even that pales in comparison with his former simultaneously-greater-yet-weaker self that has become Deus Machina.

Now, this isn't to say Autochton the god is not a force to be reckoned with. He is, especially in a place like the ME Galaxy where technology, his domain, runs everything, is everything and is utilized by everyone in basically every aspect of their lives. He can also do things like make giant robots (that he can pilot) capable of reducing a city in Creation to ash. Unfortunately, the forces he faces (Yu-Shan, the Bronze Faction, angry gods) are many, are powerful, and are in Creation, which since the fall of the First Age (High or Low) is very much devoid of technology, IE: Autobot's comfort zone.

So yes, even as an E10 god Autocthon is one of the most powerful beings in Creation thus far, on par with each of the Incarnae. Unfortunately, he'd still get creamed in a fight against a God of War if he doesn't have his toys. And those might not save him if the Bronze Faction and every god who holds a grudge catches wind that Autochton the Primordial is now Autochton the God, and thus easily killable.

tl;dr: Autochton the God is not an omnipotent, omnipresent, all-powerful tech-ubersmesnch who will casually and wantonly throw giant robots who gob mountains at his enemies. Because that would be retarded and get him killed.
 
GreggHL said:
And then he is in stabbing range of the Entire Bronze Faction. This is why he can't actually get to Lytek by his normal, completely unsubtle means.
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Which is why Kal'Reegar should put him in a box and carry him in or something.

Maybe with the box Elsewhere.
 
Talon88.1 said:
I admit I had forgotten about the binding on the gods, my bad there, however I would like to clarify my question on auto's ability to fight. Please note I never said he was omnipotent, I said he was dangerous. Hes never going to win a punchup with Sol, but he should still make anyone not Sol or Luna scared shitless at the idea of him deciding to fight seriously. Hes an angry, bitter, seething mass of insane genuis, and the whole of creation knows what happened the last time he decided to do something about his tormentors. A god he may be now, lacking his primal power, but Im still fairly sure he is not to be toyed with.
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Nope, he goes down HARD to any high or medium end combatent without his toybox now. Even as a primordial, Auto was a joke without his toys by their standards. Only TED is a worse fighter among primordials. (Remember, dude has an increased cost flaw that anyone can trigger thanks to his weakness to virtue-boosted attacks, and virtues can always be channeled vs TED). Loaded out to kill and with prep time, Auto-the-Primordial was abolutely top tier, but that isn't true of Auto-the-god. Simply put, he doesn't have the stat-line to use while Auto-the-Primordial got to use Excellencies instead.
 
I think we're getting a bit off topic talking about who could beat up Autochthon and any defenses the Primordial turned god has at his disposal. I don't want to step on anyone's toes, but while it was relevant in the beginning it's starting to get out of hand. This isn't a vs. thread, after all.
 
Vanigo said:
Why the Bronze Faction in particular? Is it purely because Chechop Kejak will say "No, you can't fix the Celestials (including myself), because that would mean I was wrong" (which granted, would make sense), or is there some other reason?
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Well, not just the Bronze, but likely Sidereals in general, since his actions tend to have reality-fucking consequences. Which means more work for them. And you know how Sidereals react to more paperwork.

Screaming and blood. Screaming and blood.
 
Winged Knight said:
I think we're getting a bit off topic talking about who could beat up Autochthon and any defenses the Primordial turned god has at his disposal. I don't want to step on anyone's toes, but while it was relevant in the beginning it's starting to get out of hand. This isn't a vs. thread, after all.
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It basically comes down to this:

Q: Who can beat Autochthon if he has not completely games the entire board in his favor with an arsenal of his own creations, nestled in his own fortress, while being completely unapproachable from every angle of attack?
A: FUCKING EVERYONE.
 
Talon88.1 said:
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It's true. There's a good reason he took Kal along with him. Partially because among other things, Auto is terrified of everything. Partially because Kal has potential.

Now, mind you, part of the plot of Journeyman is Auto confronting and getting over his fear. You know, character development.
 
GreggHL said:
It basically comes down to this:

Q: Who can beat Autochthon if he has not completely games the entire board in his favor with an arsenal of his own creations, nestled in his own fortress, while being completely unapproachable from every angle of attack?
A: FUCKING EVERYONE.
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Even tib? The halfcrippled blind mortal they only brought in to make fun of and act as an emergency prayer battery?
 
Talon88.1 said:
I believe ya. I honestly only know the bare bones about Exalted, and only ever played one game of it, so I really was not trying to spark another off topic speel, because I know that makes you want to murder people. Messily. So I do apologize for all of the above.
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Not a problem. I was more putting the topic to rest, not yelling at you.
 
Talon88.1 said:
Hes not going to get hitched or sexed up by Gaia or Luna or the Maidens (The first two being kinda involved already and I really cant see either being the marrying type), and the maidens are (From what I recall, all in love with Sol).
Ergo, do you remember that thing that Auto was working on, waaaaaay back on Deus, the thing he had spent a billion and change years working on? I think its the god level, female version of himself.
Then again IDK if he can actually make a god now, so its just an idea, but frankly Auto seems desperate enough to have tried it.
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That would be unbelievably creepy and full of what. Auto has better things to do, as well as more enjoyment from doing those things. Like, say, make giant robots or rings that transform into full body power armor upon activation.

It's important to note that Autochton the God is not human. This is pretty obvious, because he's a floating metal eye (and sometimes humongous colossus), but it should be noted that this extends to his thought processes. In Creation, a god is a being who is in charge of a specific purview relating to some aspect of Creation, be it a single blade of grass somewhere in the East or the birth of grey-spotted kittens in the West. To them, political scheming is to them what food and drink is to us. Necessary for life.

Gods don't need to eat, gods don't need to drink, gods are physically incapable of sleep. They can eat and drink, if they so desire, but it's not necessary and frankly most are probably horrible at it if it doesn't concern their purviews (Like the God of Exotic Delicacies or the God of Fried Booze). Now, aside from political scheming and attempting to get a bigger piece of the Celestial Pie for themselves, the only other thing gods tend to care about are their purviews.

Autochton the God is, for all intents and purposes, Chief God of Craft. He has no need, ability or want for political scheming. So, what does he pour all his effort into making? Awesome shit, that's what. That's pretty much all he cares about, making awesome stuff and his favored subjects, humanity (who utilize his favored tools of Prayer, Tech and Dogma in their daily lives) being among them, fortunately for us. Sex has no appeal to him like it does to us. He doesn't want children. He doesn't know about the carnal pleasures of flopping up and down, nor does he have any drive to experience flopping like a fish on a bed (or picnic mat if that's your thing (we don't judge)). If Auto got laid that means that it is very likely someone else initiated it, not that he was actively looking for it. If he were he could have just bumped uglies with the prettiest Alchemical of his choice. He made them; shouldn't be hard to find one whose willing.

Making a lady god bot would be Out Of Character for him, since he has no needs or wants for whatever she can provide that others cannot already. And this hasn't even gone into whether he is able! Autochton is unable to make a god from nothing. He could awaken the least god of its frame, though there's no way to know whether it self-identifies as male or female. He could make a mortal into a god through Endowment Charms and assign that purview to him/her, though that would take effort to find a mortal appropriate for ascension, thus taking more time from "OOH 'SPLOSIONS" than absolutely necessary and thus unlikely for him to expend the necessary effort.

TL;DR: BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH no.
 
SightedJT said:
Sometimes, I think 4am and going strange places is the deafault mindset for here.
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Ah but there is always someone on SB at 4 AM. (Depending on timezones)

It's a big world where SB is the small part where there is no difference between the post of the normal man, the sleep deprived or the ignorant youth. Namely that all of them post nonsense 90% of the time.
 
Talon88.1 said:
Ergo, do you remember that thing that Auto was working on, waaaaaay back on Deus, the thing he had spent a billion and change years working on? I think its the god level, female version of himself.
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Auto: MY VERY OWN CLONE!
Fem!Auto: NOW NEITHER OF US WILL BE VIRGINS!
 
Talon88.1 said:
True. However, we know Auto gets it on...somehow, somewhere. So in this case, it kinda does.
Eventually.
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Now that's a bit of a fallacy. Companionship can lead to sexytimes. However, sexytimes is not companionship. One's getting to know another person and generally being bros.

The other involves flopping like a fish on top of them.

An example of companionship would be going out with your friends to watch a movie.

I very much doubt you'd consider flopping on top of your friends companionship. "I got laid" and "worst mistake of mh life", probably, but not "we are such bros".
 
Samarkand said:
Not to be creepy...oh hell, it's inevitable. But in the omake, Autochton said he had successfully achieved "intercourse". That doesn't necessarily mean sexyfuntimes. It may mean "made a connection with someone who didn't reject me for my innate hideousness". Auto's basically a giant manic eyeball with Asperger's social deficit. Him having intercourse might be "going out to a social function with a beautiful woman and suppressing his many tics and awkwardness enough not to have her slap him for being a graceless idiot".

..snippet..
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I actually kinda agree with that analysis.
 
Manin said:
I've got to disagree on the Autochthon is inherently uninterested in sex argument. Yes Autochthon is fundamentally the chief god of craft and should be concerned pretty much solely with crafting. However as seen with his efforts with replacing his fetich back when he was a primordial Autochthon is inherently unsatisfied with his nature. Attempting to break free of his legend, that of the crippled outcast genius, is a fundamental part of who he is. Consequentially it is very likely that Autochthon does desire sex, after all the beings he has always envied/despised enjoy it. It is also very likely that he is terrible at it.
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Sex for reproductive purposes can be viewed as a form of crafting.

To be specific, I think it would be a form of Craft(Genesis).

EDIT: So, in conclusion, Autochthon is probably very good conception, but it might not be so fun for the partner. He also probably does it very quickly.
 
And like that, I have excised that part of the story because of how god damn creepy the response is.
 
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