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Game of Thrones: Season 6

Teen Spirit said:
Note that Yara is basically confirmed for going to Meereen as the lady she is having 'relations' with in the trailer has a teardrop tattoo.
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That confirms Essos, not Meereen. If anything, it makes Meereen make less sense, as Dany abolished slavery. Then again, for all we know its a slave that got back into prostitution, so meh.

The question is, is she replacing Victarion? And if so, what's her plan, exactly? Capture dragons for Euron/herself?
 
Yonatan said:
That confirms Essos, not Meereen. If anything, it makes Meereen make less sense, as Dany abolished slavery. Then again, for all we know its a slave that got back into prostitution, so meh.

The question is, is she replacing Victarion? And if so, what's her plan, exactly? Capture dragons for Euron/herself?
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It confirms Essos, which means she's going to Meereen, there's no other reason for her to be out there.

The rumor is she's replacing Victarion. So presumably she's after the Dragons, Possibly also looking to make Dany her Salt wife, IDK.
 
S5 was so bad I nearly quit the show for good.

...But as another poster said, I've invested 5 years into this show that another year won't really kill me. I'm less excited for Game of Thrones than I've ever been before though.
 
Stofsk said:
S5 was so bad I nearly quit the show for good.

...But as another poster said, I've invested 5 years into this show that another year won't really kill me. I'm less excited for Game of Thrones than I've ever been before though.
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I don't blame you. The only reasons I'm still hyped (besides my general idiocy) is that the highs of Season 5 where probably the highest points in the series. And most of the plots seem like they're going to be interesting, save for Dorne which is somehow still going to be a thing.
 
Dorne has a point in the books. I am p. sure it's tied in with

Faegon wtfpwning the Reach and Mace Tyrell

But the show

doesn't seem like it's going to do the Faegon plot line at all. What's more, Dorne only existed in S5 because someone had the bright dumb idea of transporting Jaime there for no reason. They weren't going to do Dorne at all because it would have been a whole new cast of characters needing to be introduced. What's more Varys is supposed to murder Ser Kevan at some point and Pycelle too but he's apparently chillin' with Tyrion in Mereen of all places.

Anyway. I don't wanna be too negative but the only thing that really interests me is how they're going to handle Jon's arc and whether they're going to do any of the AFFC stuff that was actually good (the Ironborn and Jaime besieging Riverrun and Edmure Tully; it seems like some of that will happen.)
Teen Spirit said:
I don't blame you. The only reasons I'm still hyped (besides my general idiocy) is that the highs of Season 5 where probably the highest points in the series. And most of the plots seem like they're going to be interesting, save for Dorne which is somehow still going to be a thing.
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Lows of the season were also the lowest of the series IMO. But

Eh. I'm still gonna watch it. But I feel like D&D need to apologise for S5 lol
 
Stofsk said:
Faegon wtfpwning the Reach and Mace Tyrell
But the show

doesn't seem like it's going to do the Faegon plot line at all. What's more, Dorne only existed in S5 because someone had the bright dumb idea of transporting Jaime there for no reason. They weren't going to do Dorne at all because it would have been a whole new cast of characters needing to be introduced. What's more Varys is supposed to murder Ser Kevan at some point and Pycelle too but he's apparently chillin' with Tyrion in Mereen of all places.
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Yeaaah I doubt that plot with a certain sellsword army is ever gonna happen. Pretty sure it's scrapped.
 
So I've seen some spoilers for Episode 1. Spoiler Alert, Dorne plot is REALLY REALLY stupid. Everything else is okay.

Edit: Like seriously, rest of the episode sounds legitimately fine, great even but if what I heard of the Dornish plot is true, holy shit they've already managed to make the Dorne Plotline from last season look fantastic in comparison.
 
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Teen Spirit said:
So I've seen some spoilers for Episode 1. Spoiler Alert, Dorne plot is REALLY REALLY stupid. Everything else is okay.
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Its worse than that:



The Sand Bitches apperently easily dispatch and kill both Doran and Areo Hotah while Trystane is, predictably, murdered in retaliation for Myrcella's death by someone either on the ship he is on (rememeber he was going with her to King's Landing) or shortly after getting to King's Landing, placing Ellaria's bastard daughters as the only possible heirs to Dorne in the most blatant and hypocritical power grab in history, while also getting Dorne into a suicidal war with all of Westeros (at least the parts that are under the Iron Throne).

Also, potentialy trying to get an alliance with the Boltons of all people like they're trying to form an honest to Rh'llor League of Evil Bastards, though this part is'nt clear and could be a mistake.
 
re: s6 dorne

Honestly, that's... less dumb than I thought it would be. I mean, its not great but I can kinda totally see the logic behind their actions. Also, people making blatant power grabs that probably won't end up well is basically how Game of Thrones works. Its a thing by this point.

As for why they thought they could survive, I'm guessing it was because the Iron Throne is really preoccupied with the faith militant and Dorne canonically eats armies. I mean, Dorne actually managed to kill two dragons when no one else managed to, so they probably think they can weather the storm.

So yeah, not as dumb as I expected. Honestly, I thought it was some sort of twisted revenge for Oberon's death, finding out its a blatant power play makes me feel a lot better about it.
 
I'm still struggling to get over the point last season where Ellaria decided that the best way to avenge the death of a man who was defined by his outrage at the brutal murder of an innocent young woman for the crime of being part of the wrong family was...to murder an innocent young woman for the crime of being part of the wrong family.
 
Isambard said:
I'm still struggling to get over the point last season where Ellaria decided that the best way to avenge the death of a man who was defined by his outrage at the brutal murder of an innocent young woman for the crime of being part of the wrong family was...to murder an innocent young woman for the crime of being part of the wrong family.
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Show Ellaria is not Book Ellaria, but her evil twin counterpart.

They're literaly opposite in attitude and behaviour.
 
Yonatan said:
Show Ellaria is not Book Ellaria, but her evil twin counterpart.

They're literaly opposite in attitude and behaviour.
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To be fair it's because they didn't want to cast Arianne and have to explain all her motivations, much of which relies on plots that were axed for the show. So instead Ellaria has to play the part of the warmonger looking to right the wrongs done to her personally.
 
FriedIce said:
re: s6 dorne

Honestly, that's... less dumb than I thought it would be. I mean, its not great but I can kinda totally see the logic behind their actions. Also, people making blatant power grabs that probably won't end up well is basically how Game of Thrones works. Its a thing by this point.

As for why they thought they could survive, I'm guessing it was because the Iron Throne is really preoccupied with the faith militant and Dorne canonically eats armies. I mean, Dorne actually managed to kill two dragons when no one else managed to, so they probably think they can weather the storm.

So yeah, not as dumb as I expected. Honestly, I thought it was some sort of twisted revenge for Oberon's death, finding out its a blatant power play makes me feel a lot better about it.
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Honestly...that's sort of a good point. Really it reduces a lot of the stupidity if you take into account the Sand Snakes where making a grab for power from the beginning. I seriously question how the actual hell they can think to get away with actually Killing Doran and taking control of Dorne without every Vassal going "Oh fucking hell no" but other than that, yeah I can actually see what they where going for.
 
VolantRedX said:
To be fair it's because they didn't want to cast Arianne and have to explain all her motivations, much of which relies on plots that were axed for the show. So instead Ellaria has to play the part of the warmonger looking to right the wrongs done to her personally.
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Even Arianna did'nt want war that badly, merely to not be set aside for her brother on the inheritance line. She did'nt want war for the sake of war or to avenge Oberyn, but because pressing Myrcella's claim would help validate her own claim.

The only one who was eager for war was Obara Sand, who's a lunatic and was more interested in burning Oldtown because her mother was a whore there and that's her personal hateboner.

Honestly, I did'nt think the Dorne plotline could have been worse. Then the Show adapted it. And then I thought it could'nt get worse from last season with the "Bad Pussy" speech and the terrible, no good, very bad, horrible fight choreography. It seems to me like this season will break even this negative record with levels of stupidity that I did'nt even imagine D&D will go for. Apperently I have yet again given them too much credit, and I generaly dont give them any credit at all to begin with.
 
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Tyrion and Varys watch the Fleet burn.

Okay so Yara is for sure going to Meereen now. Since they actually need boats again. Presumbly the writers weren't sure what their plans would be for the Kingsmoot (Keep in mind they weren't sure if they would have Shireen in the show in Season 2) so they left the Ships in Meereen just in case they didn't have anyone going to Meereen. Now that Yara's Going, ships in Meereen are burned by Drogon or the Sons of the Harpy. Honestly this is perfectly sensible writing, kept the boats there encase they needed them but it's not horribly implausible for them to get burned.
 
Man I was almost giddy when I saw the Dornish spoilers. The rest was good but that, man that was a special kind of amazingly bad. Then Book purists had to go and ruin it for me by acting like a bunch of 13 year old teenagers in Missouri talking about an anime they don't like.
 
What is it about Dorne that brings out the worst in writers?
 
Teen Spirit said:
Man I was almost giddy when I saw the Dornish spoilers. The rest was good but that, man that was a special kind of amazingly bad. Then Book purists had to go and ruin it for me by acting like a bunch of 13 year old teenagers in Missouri talking about an anime they don't like.
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I used to hate book purists but mang this show

I will turn into that which I hate lol

tankdrop24 said:
What is it about Dorne that brings out the worst in writers?
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I think a) D&D aren't as good as they think they are and b) Dorne was already not the most compelling part of the books, but more than that the way the first three books were written and the way the last two were written were comparatively different with the latter being difficult to adapt.

Like if you look at the first three or four seasons, they're largely books 1-3 intact and adapted well (S1 is probably the best for that, there were few divergences from the book). But I think they looked at AFFC and ADWD and didn't know how to adapt it. And without TWOW to act as a road map they're probably going off the beaten track from this season onwards.

I personally felt that AFFC and ADWD were two books, ergo they needed two seasons to be adapted. But you can't easily and cleanly equate one book to a season, because AFFC and ADWD takes place contemporaneously. Which means technically the way the show did it was right, those events take place in the same time span, it's just 10 episodes weren't enough to cover everything (that's why we're apparently getting Greyjoys and possibly the Siege of Riverrun and BWB in S6 instead, and might be why Dorne has been heavily truncated and Faegon has been ditched). I don't like it but at least part of the blame needs to rest on GRRM for writing AFFC and ADWD the way he did.

EDIT Then again, ASoS were adapted into two seasons so why couldn't they do that with both AFFC and ADWD but ugh w/e
 
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Stofsk said:
I used to hate book purists but mang this show

I will turn into that which I hate lol
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Honestly. Everything else in the leak sounds fine, most of the rest of the season sounds like it's going to be great, save for stuff with the Boltons but Ramsay is a cancer that spreads across three mediums. But no one is going to pay attention to the good parts.

Book purists just highlight the really bad aspects and ignore the good parts. Not to mention they don't even try for constructive criticism and instead just throw insults around and make things out to be way worse than they are . If I hear "It's fan fiction at this point" Again I will fucking pour molten gold over someone.

Admittedly "Highlighting the bad, ignoring the good." was really easy in Season 5 because after a Fairly weak season, you had one really good episode, then the Plot in the North took a freaking nose dive in terms of quality.

But that doesn't change the fact that Hardhome was the best episode of the series, and that frankly it did more to make the White Walkers an actual tangible threat then anything that books ever did, it made the Wall actually relevant and not just the place where plot threads go to die.

Even if it had Ramsay, being Ramsay, I actually gave far more of a crap about Sansa in the North last season then I ever gave about her in the Vale or Fake Arya. Brienne's plotline in the book went absolutely freaking nowhere for a very long time where at least in the show, what she was doing wasn't something we knew was completely useless.

Sad thing is is we're probably going to get more actual plot progression in this season then we will in all of Winds of Winter.
 
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