No she isn't. She killed him in a duel he accepted. That makes it not count in the system.Stratagemini said:
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It might not be as bad as you think. Taylor was willing to Kiboru cause he was going to screw everyone over and alienate a group of players that could end the game. He was willing to kill her cause he wanted free stuff. Dudes a bully and that's canon in SAO.
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Just to clear something up, the Duel didn't turn her arrow orange. That did occur on the first day, but that wore off after a couple hours. Go back to the anime and watch the duel scene with Heathcliff and Kirito again, when Heathcliff wins, his name is in an orange frame. Just a shout out I wanted to throw in therekatreus said:
Thanks for the corrections, and yeah I thought about a character sheet, but between time jumps and everything...yeah that could get messy.katreus said:
As of the First Floor Boss fight average level for most front liners is 9-10, Khepri is at 11 and is getting her third slot soon. I'd have to go look at some of the world building notes on hand, but its about 1 slot every 11 levels or so with frequency increasing as one gets higher and higher. Most of her equipment is fairly good, a mixed bag of loot drops and bought gear. The two rare drops she used for that fight was the dagger Heathcliff had given her which had been upgraded to +4 with all the upgrades going to sharpness, and the armor - which if you want an idea of what it looks like, it's the same armor Diabel wore to the meeting in the anime. I'm pretty sure it's said to be bronze in progressive, but that seems a bit weird to me give how crap the rest of their gear appears to be, so I changed it to hardened leather in this.
Skills are:
1 handed Shortsword: 95
Searching: 110
Hiding: 60
Acrobatics: 55
Sprint: 67
Skitter leaves Searching on pretty much all the time; she doesn't realize it, but her eyes are almost constantly glowing green from the particle effect. The only reason people don't react more to it, is they know what it's from; still, it's going to be one of those things, once her reputation really starts to spread.
No, there wasn't. The duel wielding got out from the 'Aincrad Fiberation Force' AKA 'The Army' survivors, and the details are sketchy to the point SAO newspapers reported a full Raid Team from the Army being slaughtered by Gleameyes and Kirito supposedly possessing a 50-hit combo move ^^;koolerkid said:
I've got Chinese copies of SAO, so if you need info on LN canon feel free to contact me and check things. For this fanfic particularly though I think most of us readers are in this for Kephri!Taylor, and I don't think anyone will be particularly annoyed if you ignore SAO LNs as a whole or went by the anime.violetshadows said:
Yep.violetshadows said:
Ah. SAO wiki says Kirito had 12 skills at 96. With everyone starting off with 2 skill slots at lvl 1, that would mean approx. 1 skill slot per 9 or 10 levels. But you say frequency is increasing (presumably levels between skill slots getting smaller). One would think it'd be the opposite way around for MMOs / RPGs but ok.
Good girl.
Localized clairvoyance is good! And well, she def. has the capability to multitask like that and take in all the info and still be able to function.On another thought: Given that she's had a fair amount of interaction with Kayaba and that Kayaba, in canon, said there were 10 unique skills... does Kayaba or Cardinal end up assigning one to her? We know 6 of them from canon, 2 of them are assigned to Heathcliff and Kirito eventually, leaving another 4 unnamed. 2 of the other named ones are Shurikenjutsu and Infinite Spear so those are out too. There is a Darkness Blade and Battoujutsu which may be possible. They are, however, assigned apparently based on players that fulfill certain physical requirements so Khepri might not ever tick off one of those boxes. (Although I presume if Kayaba wants to, he'll just make sure she can fulfill the requirement for a Unique if he wants to give her one.)
Edit: ... Floor bosses are usually meant to be taken on by 49 people or so. That means the exp for killing a floor boss is split 49 ways and it's still a pretty noticeable chunk of exp after the split. Khepri just took it down by herself, which means she should have gotten a boatload of exp and the attending level ups, which ought to give her a good leg up on preparing for the next floor.
I might keep Dual Wielding, but I probably won't bother with most of the others - in part because they aren't terribly relevant to the story itself, but also because of Khepri's influence on Kayaba. Kayaba came into this largely wanting to make the world he envisioned in his childhood, part of that was establishing the narrative of knights and monsters and great villains (see Heathcliff) to stand against them; however, the more Kayaba interacts with Khepri, the more he sees a person who isn't approaching this from a gameplay perspective at all, but rather as a real world. It might not happen yet, but Kayaba's going to take a look at those unique skills and feel a little conflicted about them now that he's looking at them with a new perspective. I'll probably turn them into straight up extra skills rather than unique ones. Like you have to be able to react this fast to unlock Dual Wielding, but provided you can get the reaction time down, that wont be an issue. That's actually what I'm doing with Battle Healing, it only unlocks after the player has taken a set amount of damage and only increases when it heals you: healing from the red zone tends to give more experience, then say healing from green.katreus said:
Also, as to the boss it's far worse than that. People are used to WoW, but there's nothing in SAO that says only 1 raid per boss fight; there's nothing stopping anyone to taking 5 full raid teams to fight the third floor boss. Only 1 might get experience and col, but they can all take part in the fight. I'd have to double check Aria, but I'm pretty sure they did the first boss fight with something like 90 people in the beta.
Makes it kind of amusing, considering she didn't even look at what she got for the fight, before she closed the window.
Hrm. While he did want to create a world of fantasy, the reason he locked everyone in is that he wanted this world of fantasy to be real. He did have to compromise on some things because of lack of time to put into coding for everything (see: 3 weeks without eating) or just because even if this is now a (basically real) world of fantasy, there are some things you just don't want to put up with in a fantasy world (i.e. how everyone's not smelling like crap even if they're not bathing every day or the lack of bugs). And, well, the point of a real world of fantasy is to have certain people who do more, rise up, whatever in prominence. Even in the real world, not everyone is a genius or athletic beast. I don't necessarily see a problem with certain skills being unique, per se...violetshadows said:
Edit: And funnily, for someone who's apparently not approaching from a gameplay perspective, Taylor is heavily abusing the fact that it's a game to non-stop grind.
Yes, I agree on some of that. Skills that can be done in real life (dual wielding, battoujutsu) should probably be available to everyone if you can meet the requirement. That being said, arguably, unique skills should probably border on the magical or fantastic - er, that is, even more than people zooming around with high level Sprint. For example, I actually think Infinite Spear - if it does what I presume it does, which is probably extend or shrink the spear ala Sun Wukong's magic staff - should probably still be a unique skill. Or perhaps a unique throwing skill where even if you throw your blade at something, it will reappear in your hand after it hits (ala Wishblade or the blessing of Athena in Rise of the Argonauts). These skills are basically (virtual) reality hacking, impossible to duplicate solely by skill or player action.
The bigger problem, I'd assume, is lack of space after awhile... Too many people and it's hard to organize and command and you get people fouling each other's strikes up and being unable to dodge attacks from the enemy mob. Bosses with AOE attacks would be a nightmare. It's probably better to just switch in people from outside as needed for injured players.
Well, Taylor's never really been interested in rewards for the sake of rewards sadly and seemed more focused on what that fight told her (she can't bear the burden alone). Probably too distracted by the incoming group as well.
On another note:
... I'm guessing that someone or something is doing some mental translation magic here. The only reason I can imagine he'd ask if she knows the term, "shut in," is that he's probably asking in Japanese and shut-in is probably not something that comes up in normal Japanese conversation so even if an American's learned Japanese, she might not know that particular term. But for Taylor, it seems that everyone's speaking in English, I guess.
Yes, though they don't show up until Floor 3 (ref Monochrome Concerto).The Destroyer said:Interesting question, are there giant spiders in the caves of sword art online?
Taylor: I named him Greg, want to let him?
Everyone else: umm we'd rather not...(slowly backing away)
Heh, I could see that. The Magazine-published version of Monochrome Concerto (think of it as a Web Serial version in paper form) already have a precedent of Mobs entering Safe Zone cities...helnae said:
Oh wow holy shit. Following the hell out of this read.
Post!Worm Taylor is just incredible, her mindset is pretty much PTSD+Shard's alien mind + whatever baggage she originally had. Kabaya should have access to Cardinal's systems, right? I'd like to see him reading Taylor's mental health profile. Does he know that she's an extra player?
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I wouldn't be surprised to see some sort of kinship develop between Khepri and Heathcliff. Even if they are concealing their identities, I think they would sense that each others motivation and mindset are distorted in some manner. And they have similar life "trajectories".
Kayaba started the game as God, but the only way to make the fantasy meaningful is for him to be defeated at the end. Taylor rose up to the challenge during worm, and now she's probably trying to do something similar - reach the goal no matter what. Thing is, I don't believe she is capable of rising to that level anymore or at least she doesn't have the anything left to sacrifice or the motivation. She's pretty much going on inertia now with her mind held together by duct tape, but has no ties to anyone except Heathcliff and NOTHING like she had with the Undersiders or her father to help her. At some point she will stop for a bit and contemplate how much blood she has on her hands, no matter how justified it was and she will have one epic breakdown. I don't see her as capable of reintegrating into society, even if it is physically possible (not sure of how she got in SAO).
I see them both going down with the game, maybe they'll both integrate into the new world seeds. You have to admit that Taylor and her Shard are eminently suitable of working in a role similar to the Cardinal system. Adminstration , Control , "Greater Good" and incredible willpower in reaching a goal. Not sure if she still has enough left in her to feel Empathy.
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Post!Worm Taylor is just incredible, her mindset is pretty much PTSD+Shard's alien mind + whatever baggage she originally had. Kabaya should have access to Cardinal's systems, right? I'd like to see him reading Taylor's mental health profile.
Does he know that she's an extra player?[rambling]
I wouldn't be surprised to see some sort of kinship develop between Khepri and Heathcliff. Even if they are concealing their identities, I think they would sense that each others motivation and mindset are distorted in some manner. And they have similar life "trajectories".
Kayaba started the game as God, but the only way to make the fantasy meaningful is for him to be defeated at the end. Taylor rose up to the challenge during worm, and now she's probably trying to do something similar - reach the goal no matter what. Thing is, I don't believe she is capable of rising to that level anymore or at least she doesn't have the anything left to sacrifice or the motivation. She's pretty much going on inertia now with her mind held together by duct tape, but has no ties to anyone except Heathcliff and NOTHING like she had with the Undersiders or her father to help her. At some point she will stop for a bit and contemplate how much blood she has on her hands, no matter how justified it was and she will have one epic breakdown. I don't see her as capable of reintegrating into society, even if it is physically possible (not sure of how she got in SAO).
I see them both going down with the game, maybe they'll both integrate into the new world seeds. You have to admit that Taylor and her Shard are eminently suitable of working in a role similar to the Cardinal system. Adminstration , Control , "Greater Good" and incredible willpower in reaching a goal. Not sure if she still has enough left in her to feel Empathy.
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Granted, Dragon's would probably be more of a paradise/perfect MMO. And anyone trying Kayaba's thing vs Dragon as she is as of Tereral e.3 would need to be Simurgh level to have a chance.CircleTheSkies said:
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There's being friendly and then there's giving her information that might as well stick a giant flashing neon sign on his back saying "I'M ACTUALLY KAYABA AKIHIKO, PLEASE SHANK ME".pressea said:
The magic translation effect is something that's going to weird Taylor out, assuming it's not just a factor of machine translation being really, really good in SAO-verse 2022. Especially if she runs into Agil and he starts speaking English to her; heck, that might be the first thing that clues her in to just how wrong things are.
Also, I'm guessing that part of why Heathcliff is so interested in Taylor (aside from her entering the world with the mindset of a combat veteran) is that Cardinal flagged her as someone who isn't supposed to be there. I'm assuming that's what that first interlude was about, anyway.
One thing I have to wonder now, though: since he didn't get the Last Hit drop from Ilfang, where's Kirito going to get his signature black longcoat from?
...and a crazy thought I just had. Kayaba put a block on Yui that prevented her from actually contacting any players in order to carry out her function as the local Mental Health Counseling Program. Does that include Taylor, though, seeing as how Cardinal is having trouble recognizing that she exists?
You are a terrible person.Nemonowan said:
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It's pretty clear just from looking at Kirito's apparel over the course of the anime that the coat he ends with is not the coat he started with (or, at least, he did a bunch of upgrading to it). From what I recall, we see at least different coat designs (four if you count the white/red pallet swap we see briefly).
His last coat is apparently player made - I think canonically he wore about four coats throughout SAO, not counting the KoB one.helnae said:
So he changes his coat about every twenty to thirty levels.
It's going to be even more bullshit when people realize she did it without quaffing a single healing pot apparently. She keeps letting her HP bar regenerate rather than drinking potions (at the base of the tower and during the fight when Ilfang is walking toward her slowly). Does she even know that there are healing pots?Aarik said:
Yeah. Almost certainly the highest leveled now.
Also:
Lisa.
I hope Taylor ends up getting her hug from Lisa. I am mildly freaked out by how well the Shard now understands things other than just moving her body occasionally. This level of awareness on the Shard's part is unreal (and how the heck did the Shard page through option menus and check a box while Taylor's not even looking down?).
Is Taylor thinking of the S9 / S9000 here?
Is Kayaba a Tinker?Cancelled for A said:
I mean, I didn't think he was, but Taylor would reasonably assume so. What else would her frame of reference dictate? She even tends to think of bosses in superhuman classifications even when she knows they aren't, and to her, it would be logical to assume that the man who created the super-tech virtual reality would be a Tinker.
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Nobody except Taylor seems to think a tinker is involved, and that may be metaphor or analogy on her part too.Cancelled for A said:
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