Fiend: Thread Two, the Rethreading [Exalted/Worm]

Yog said:
After rereading 5.5, I feel a terrible need to comment on it (because there are so few comments about it). So: Taylor learns to shoot with her off-hand. Two guns at the same time next, I guess.
We can only hope she holds them gangland style, and yet actually manages to hit anything with them thanks to the magic of Exalted.

Hell, she'd probably get a stunt bonus.
 
Guile said:
We can only hope she holds them gangland style, and yet actually manages to hit anything with them thanks to the magic of Exalted.

Hell, she'd probably get a stunt bonus.
Yep - exalts with relevant skills get to do shit like that. Hell, about the only movie/game gunfight trick that you need more than excellencies + skills for is shooting down bullets - which is perfectly valid charm tech.
 
Essex said:
The funny thing is that, since Taylor shot the one guy in the arm and he dropped his gun in response, she may now feel encouraged to try shooting guns out of peoples' hands.
Won't she be eable to do that eventually? Shoot a gun out of a hand and shot juggle it?
 
On the other hand Air Raid is a powerful member of a gang that is quite wealthy. So long as he survives it is perfectly reasonable to expect him to get healed back into functional shape.
 
Larekko12 said:
Won't she be eable to do that eventually? Shoot a gun out of a hand and shot juggle it?
Yep. Celestial exalts with high skills and excellencies treat physics as suggestions BEFORE specialist charms come out to play.
 
illhousen said:
Also, custom Charms are your friends. I shudder to think what Adorjan's training Charms would look like, by the way. "I shall hunt you down and cut you bit by bit until you improve your Athletic rating", I would guess.
Siberian does that already.
 
illhousen said:
Also, custom Charms are your friends. I shudder to think what Adorjan's training Charms would look like, by the way. "I shall hunt you down and cut you bit by bit until you improve your Athletic rating", I would guess.
Training isn't in Adorjan's thematics so most likely such Charms wouldn't be found there.

Now, Swillin', Cecelyne and Kimbery? That's something else entirely. Pity she doesn't favour them, but Malfeas would most likely have some training Charms too.
 
XenonPrime said:
Malfeas training charms = "I'll stop beating you WHEN YOU STOP SUCKING!"
Can't by Rage Recast, when coupled with some other charm grant Taylor's dollowers her mutations? And are there any other mutation / skill granting charms? Also, awakening people's essenses (whkch is also a mutarion, I think).
 
Hazard said:
Training isn't in Adorjan's thematics so most likely such Charms wouldn't be found there.
Yeah, suuuuuuure~

That's why her Excellency doesn't say
Her depredations inspire heroes to reach their full potential through the crucible of tragedy, invariably ruining their lives in the process. Greatness is the worst curse her touch imparts.
right? And why Broken Soul Wisdom isn't one of her Charms, right?

Adorjan is a very good trainer. From a certain point of view.
 
illhousen said:
D&D. A bit too nerdy for what Taylor does, though.
Dragon and Defiant already have that nickname out of universe though so it might get a bit confusing if Defiant ever becomes a thing.

Which...Could still happen. It would depend on if Armsmaster's actions in the Leviathan fight change or not.
 
Well who needs to train people when kimbery charm enable you to make your followers into captain america ctuhlu?

Ignoring that it would be horrible out of character for her of course.
 
EarthScorpion said:
Adorjan's themes would support training Charms but only in that they include releasing intimacies, motivations and other things until eventually you let go of everything (and have become a master in all things).

Admittedly that has its uses, but unless you are trying to create a population of ascetic hermits I don't see how it helps you. On the other hand, she makes a terrifying Sorcery teacher, given the nature of the Sacrifice.
illhousen said:
Cecelyne does have the thematic space for more 'traditional' training Charms on top of Verdant Emptiness Endowment though.
 
Scya said:
Well who needs to train people when kimbery charm enable you to make your followers into captain america ctuhlu?

Ignoring that it would be horrible out of character for her of course.
And that Grue has dibs on those for It Is Dark - Kimbery training, mutating and healing charms are pretty much the same thing.
 
pheonix89 said:
And that Grue has dibs on those for It Is Dark - Kimbery training, mutating and healing charms are pretty much the same thing.
Well of course the sea is quite versatile after all. And honestly It is Dark Taylor needs the help more then this one, or Imp...whatever evil think happend to her.
 
Scya said:
Well of course the sea is quite versatile after all. And honestly It is Dark Taylor needs the help more then this one, or Imp...whatever evil think happend to her.
It is dark Taylor is gonna wind up being fucking TERRIFYING by the end of the fic. Sleeping with a Kimbery-favoring, craft:Genesis-using Infernal with one hell of a motivator to get good at augumentation and medicine? Yeah, that way lies massive biotech upgrades and shenanigans. Hell, that thing Tagg put in about treating her as if she was two ranks higher in every area including ones she didn't have will probably come true.
 
I am pretty sure she got the apartment with Lies and Bribery. Though she did use some Violence to get the money...
 
Hazard said:
Adorjan's themes would support training Charms but only in that they include releasing intimacies, motivations and other things until eventually you let go of everything (and have become a master in all things).

Admittedly that has its uses, but unless you are trying to create a population of ascetic hermits I don't see how it helps you.
Adorjan is an excellent teacher, who spreads her wisdom as liberally and thoroughly as she can. Given her nature, this tends to involve tragedy, loss and madness on the part of her pupils, even as they grow in power - but it's still teaching.

Given the way Infernals interact with Yozi Charms (i.e. gaming them horribly) it's entirely possible to end up with a warlock mentor who puts you through training that cuts out your self-loathing or scours away your regrets even as you take to wielding a blade or managing subordinates with nigh-prodigal speed. Alternatively, you might end up with a warlock mentor who takes random strangers and quietly harasses them until they're insanely obsessed with performing a certain deed and have the skills to do so, though perhaps not to survive the aftermath. Ironically, the former is more in line with Adorjan's modus operandi than the latter.

Jack Slash threatens Theo, and within a couple of years a fat kid with daddy issues became a superpowered badass capable of going toe-to-toe with the Slaughterhouse 9 and fighting on even when cut into hamburger with a claymore and a giant wolf made of knives. That's Adorjan-style training, albeit slowed down from lack of real Charms. Sure, a few hundred people had to die, a few people got locked into loops of everlasting torment, the kid had to be abandoned by/abandon his family, etc etc - but just think of all the xp!
 
Isn't their a Adjoran charm that upgrades the infernal's ability to aid, teach or hurt someone they love?

They aren't canon but there are some fan charms for SWLiHN charms based around altering people to make them more suited for their role in an organization with is probably how she views teaching.

Teaching is somewhat contrary to the Ebon Dragon's themes, unless the is teaching something corruptive by the students society's standards, even that is pushing it.

I don't think Malpheas is capable of teaching he is too incapable of considering others important for him to focus on one long enough to teach them. They would be good enough to serve him already and deserve death if the can't. I imagine that Theon had a teaching charmset though. (I haven't read shards so I don't know if they exist in the canon charmset)
 
The Ebon Dragon probably has a few teaching Charms keying off his 'enlightened self interest' themes actually.

Seriously, when you think about it every Primordial has such broad thematics that they've got atleast some kind of teaching Charm available, although some are more of a stretch or limited than others.
 
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