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Nictis said:
Anyways, EN GUARGE!

[x] Vote Young Pyromancer
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Ugh. Don't post while sick or you're misspell En Garde. First vote on Pyromancer!
Young Pyromancer said:
Okay, implications of the publicly available knowledge. Mostly speculation, but it's better than nothing:
1) Those who 'joined the collective early' have a decent chance of having 'powers'. Note the potential implications of the plural.
2) roles probably exist that had a special relationship to the original Zaelix.
3) something caused the change, and if it was the elims, it wasn't intentional. 3p? Could be OG Zaelix, but if they wanted to, why then, and not before?
4) The original Zaelix role probably exists. If it does, I could see it as either village or elim, or even 3p. After all, the change seems to come with a mind control aspect. The original isn't necessarily affected by that. Likely reads as town if elim.
4) conversion is baked into the game's premise. Odds of some sort of conversion are a lot higher than your standard closed game.
5) there seems to be a lot of people who have the thread up, but aren't posting. Possibly lots of private communication?
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1 and 2 are suggesting certain roles being more likely to have powers. 3 is strange, it seems to be suggesting there was an event that caused the game to occur that we don't know about? But the opening post says that this is just a case of the Zaealixes deciding to remove anyone who is not Zaealix. So it's not the scum factions that triggered it as YP seems to suggest (I assume that's what he means by 'elims' but honestly I just try not to read it as 'mile' or 'smile'). 4 has been discussed to death already, and 5 is an interesting observation. Overall I'd say that this could be read innocently but I'm slightly leaning more towards poisoning the well than encouraging discussion for the sake of discussion here. There's a lot of suggestions regarding which roles should have powers and the mention of the original Zaealix being likely to be literally any faction is weird.
Snickers4444 said:
Welp I'll take the third spot if it's still open!
Nice touch with the pfp Nictis, Ehm Zaealix Number 1.
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A good acknowledgment of my status.

Snickers4444 said:
Also, roles of people who took spins on the Zeaelix name in discord are in my opinion more likely to be "special" and have powers, the only one I can remember that did so was Xileaez tho.
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A Bunch Of Atoms said:
So roles based on members in the discord Zaealix collective? (Does that mean there's a role about me?)
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CoolCatmanC said:
I can also vouch that those who joined the collective have special powers :p

I also got told me and Zaealix were old friends, apparently, so...
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CoolCatmanC said:
*those that joined the collective early
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The immediate results of focusing the discussion on the idea of which roles have powers is people talking about which roles have powers (and someone claiming to be a Power Role). I'm not going to hold Cat's claim against Pyro too much, but there's not really much else you can expect to come from the topic introduced. Either this or nothing, and more likely this than not if it isn't shot down.
Young Pyromancer said:
Just because there's conversion doesn't mean there has to be cults.
Like, the elims could have a certain number of 'cures' to purge the infection or something.
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Snickers4444 said:
"Purge the infection"
Looks like someone here has a anti Zaealix stance :V
That option doesn't strikes me as especially more likely and rising cult paranoia day one always looks a bit weird.
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This is, unfortunately, NAI for Pyromancer. The idea of a mafia group with a limited recruitment power is something they've brought up several times before. To the exact same result of people thinking they're creating cult paranoia... Which they are, but it's NAI.
Zaealix said:
Zaealix Prime has arrived! As the original Zaeali-
HOW DARE YOU REBEL AGAINST ME!?
...Well, It wasn't my idea for the cult of Zaealix to form on the discord, and it certainly is not my idea to be voted out D1 for memes!
[X] Vote Legend of Ruina
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Nictis said:
You do a really good Zaealix Prime act, but you are not the first, faker.
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View: https://youtu.be/ockHHFfZ3b8?t=14

I was planning on going through the whole day but things keep coming up. I'll get back to my reread later, hopefully.
 
Young Pyromancer said:
Any lowposter is a great choice. I have a preferred candidate, but I'm waiting rn, as them not doing anything is slowly admitting their guilt, and I don't want to prod them into action prematurely.
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We are not voting inactivity D1. It gives, essentially nothing to go on and playing D1 quiet isn't that unreasonable.

Likewise inactivity is thoroughly NAI in and of itself.
 
Shadell said:
For everyone but also specifically @Zaealix @Snickers4444 and @Cyricubed, a big D1 wagon often has scum hiding in it in my experience. If you had to vote a specific person voting YP atm, who and why? That is, who has uncharacteristically bad reasons for being on the wagon?
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The initial post in which 99Zaealix votes looks pretty bad like pointed out earlier in the thread, for me it just looks pretty low effort, even his later answer to being questioned about it is pretty lazy. Which is not nessesariely scummy but maybe something to look back on if other things come up later.
ZaealixTV would be the my second pick for most suspicious vote but that's mostly a gut read.
 
Yeah, ZaealixTV is… yeah. I'm catching the gut read as well, but I'm not ready to say f it and vote him just yet.
 
@Nictis , "you're a member of the Zaealix collective, but you used to be X" seems pretty conversion-y to me. Also, you're making an incorrect assumption. My preferred vote is not cyricubed.
[X] Vote Shadell

There is no way village you would be voting the main driver of activity day 1. You're experienced enough to know that that's a terrible idea. If they're sus, d2, maybe d3, sure. But not d1. Drawing suspicion to them means they aren't going to be a nk target if village, and so therefore gives them deniability if maf. However, at this point that time has passed. Still, you have stuck to me, despite me pointing out my activity as a reason to not kill me. This is sus.

I'm also going willing to vote lies, just based on the fact that they seem to be deliberately not contributing, but their posts individually aren't that sus to me.
 
Omgus is not compelling and you've made multiple slips. Active players are the most acceptable targets d1 as that means getting more interactions to review. While avoiding memes can help I don't think you've added significant value to town or advanced the game state. Murdering the most active player every day is a losing recipe but so is declaring the most active player kill-immune. Post count alone and contributions, while related, aren't synonymous. Likewise most of the thread is voting you so that's not a compelling argument to hit me explicitly in the least.

You throw a clear scum read and also go "and here's a neutral read I'd also vote." In the post voting me. That's hedging hard and generally going against reads, which implies you're fine not hunting. That is incredibly scummy. Likewise 99L is a player that defaults scummy and is generally a great easy target if your only real goal is self-preservation.

Lastly I think recent posts speak for themselves even if you were a bad vote.
 
Young Pyromancer said:
@Nictis , "you're a member of the Zaealix collective, but you used to be X" seems pretty conversion-y to me. Also, you're making an incorrect assumption. My preferred vote is not cyricubed.
[X] Vote Shadell

There is no way village you would be voting the main driver of activity day 1. You're experienced enough to know that that's a terrible idea. If they're sus, d2, maybe d3, sure. But not d1. Drawing suspicion to them means they aren't going to be a nk target if village, and so therefore gives them deniability if maf. However, at this point that time has passed. Still, you have stuck to me, despite me pointing out my activity as a reason to not kill me. This is sus.

I'm also going willing to vote lies, just based on the fact that they seem to be deliberately not contributing, but their posts individually aren't that sus to me.
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Congrats, you have entirely secured my vote. Because frankly this comes off as downright insufferable. Your best case is literally just "voting me is a scum move because of the sheer quantity of stuff I've flung out," which reeks of desperation. Attempting to seize control of discussion is a pretty common move on both sides, and it's not like you're the only person putting things out.
 
Honestly, without doing a complete reread of the thread (I was working on it tbf) I'd feel comfortable with voting Pyromancer. I just don't trust Hugh not to have tossed an Exploding Imp into the game.
 
Young Pyromancer said:
There is no way village you would be voting the main driver of activity day 1. You're experienced enough to know that that's a terrible idea.
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People who have played more games here then me - is this (+ what seems to me like defending inactivity D1) uncharacteristic of @Shadell (when restricted to just town!Shadell)? Because this is reading to me right now like Shadell just disagrees with YP on strategy, and proper strategy is hard to pin down for mafia IMO (especially since any in game discussion is tainted by the fact that there are going to be some players who have a vested interested in producing bad strategy), so for me strategy disputes are only AI if one player is going against their own past opinions.

Same thing goes for YP I guess on this.

Tangentially related, I generally agree with YPs argument about activity, but I think it might be a bad metric for themselves because they're the lead vote which naturally leads to defending themselves and also trying to clear themselves through discussion.

Finally, I do think it's a bit weird that the wagon on YP is pretty large compared to all the alternatives, I think the case against them is decent but not fantastic.
 
Nictis said:
Honestly, without doing a complete reread of the thread (I was working on it tbf) I'd feel comfortable with voting Pyromancer. I just don't trust Hugh not to have tossed an Exploding Imp into the game.
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Unless Exploding Imp / Jester type roles are super common and accepted without warning in SV mafia I don't like this.

Exploding Imp / Jester without any sort of warning is bastard IMO and seems pretty unlikely unless they are common and accepted here. Unless it's likely, then I think raising unconfirmed possibilities as a reason not to vote someone unrelated to whether or not they are town is a bad look.

If Exploding Imp / Jester types are actually common here then I retract all of that.
 
I'm going to be honest, Shaddell, I don't like you asking about people voting the YP wagon. Frankly, I wouldn't rate ANY wagon D1 as being important, even if Young's slips could be a sign of something bigger…
But what it DOES do is shrink the pool of targets, so to speak. Possibly enough to be…Conveinent, if one has good timing.
 
On my part I just find the arguments for the other wagons unconvincing. They mostly seem to be based on players past actions in other games not matching with what they're doing now and as I'm still a newish player to this, I can't really place much faith into those types of argument without some other evidence backing them up.
 
hailcapital said:
Unless Exploding Imp / Jester type roles are super common and accepted without warning in SV mafia I don't like this.

Exploding Imp / Jester without any sort of warning is bastard IMO and seems pretty unlikely unless they are common and accepted here. Unless it's likely, then I think raising unconfirmed possibilities as a reason not to vote someone unrelated to whether or not they are town is a bad look.

If Exploding Imp / Jester types are actually common here then I retract all of that.
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They're not very common, I'm just paranoid and feel like parts of the game might be memetic :V
 
Shadell said:
Likewise 99L is a player that defaults scummy and is generally a great easy target if your only real goal is self-preservation.
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…the reason I'm talking about lies is because people were just talking about voting them. Are you saying the fact that I didn't target them immediately is suspicious? Or

Also, I've repeatedly said that I don't advocate considering high posters kill immune. All I'm saying is that killing the highest poster d1 specifically is a bad idea on principle.
Draxy said:
On my part I just find the arguments for the other wagons unconvincing. They mostly seem to be based on players past actions in other games not matching with what they're doing now and as I'm still a newish player to this, I can't really place much faith into those types of argument without some other evidence backing them up.
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I haven't seen that argument brought up at all. No idea where y is got that.
 
Zaealix said:
I'm going to be honest, Shaddell, I don't like you asking about people voting the YP wagon. Frankly, I wouldn't rate ANY wagon D1 as being important, even if Young's slips could be a sign of something bigger…
But what it DOES do is shrink the pool of targets, so to speak. Possibly enough to be…Conveinent, if one has good timing.
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This is the most incorrect thing you've ever posted.
 
Also, I like how people are saying 'oh, just come up with a case on some1 else, I'm only voting you because there isn't any' when the fact that there isn't any other cases that anyone but me has even tried to make-
Gahhhh.
That isn't an excuse!
NinetyNineLies said:
I'm pretty sure this is the accusation my voters made against me. Voting because it's the popular (or to be popular) wagon.
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There's a difference between stating your feelings on a vote candidate when you're currently up for execution and coming out of nowhere to vote on the sole wagon. Please don't try to twist my words.
 
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