-
Going forward, links to content from Twitter (now X) will no longer be embedded. Pre-existing links should not be affected.
Even Further Beyond [Complete]
- Thread starter Rihaku
- Start date
- Original
Maybe we can negotiate with him to try to rebuild his cultivation base?
He is a bit rush in his Dao Cleaving stage.He admit that himself.
Bargain with him to rebuild his dao into either "All path" or "Celestial Heaven".
Remind Kong that he can be that hero he want to be.Not just become elder beast of reason.
He is a bit rush in his Dao Cleaving stage.He admit that himself.
Bargain with him to rebuild his dao into either "All path" or "Celestial Heaven".
Remind Kong that he can be that hero he want to be.Not just become elder beast of reason.
- Location
- Actually pretty lost
Indeed! You should vote for that.
[X] Annihilation
Because the word has one more n in it than the other option, and if Zang insists on numbers being so much more important, that's my answer.
...Seriously, moral dilemmas are hard! If pressed on it, I'd say that Nameless would choose his friend's feelings and the real and tangible danger Zang poses over hypothetical people who may or may not be living inside him and may or may not be suffering under his rational tyranny in a Titanic World that may or may not have laws that we could approve of - see where I'm going?
Though it's going to be hilarious if he chooses to team up with the Heroine against us after we kill the Fates. I don't quite remember if there's something preventing them from doing that.
Because the word has one more n in it than the other option, and if Zang insists on numbers being so much more important, that's my answer.
...Seriously, moral dilemmas are hard! If pressed on it, I'd say that Nameless would choose his friend's feelings and the real and tangible danger Zang poses over hypothetical people who may or may not be living inside him and may or may not be suffering under his rational tyranny in a Titanic World that may or may not have laws that we could approve of - see where I'm going?
Though it's going to be hilarious if he chooses to team up with the Heroine against us after we kill the Fates. I don't quite remember if there's something preventing them from doing that.
Rihaku
The Internet
I dislike the new XF colors. Red and Gold together looks like a McDonald's logo. Can someone pull the old hexcodes?
You have the Ring by the parameters of the spell as written, no more or less.
Not really, he's basically just a Grand Solipsist-level fighter.
If you're shrinking down his Inner World from infinite universe to galaxy (or potentially smaller) sized, there will probably be reprecussions upon his population if it exists.
You have the Ring by the parameters of the spell as written, no more or less.
Not really, he's basically just a Grand Solipsist-level fighter.
If you're shrinking down his Inner World from infinite universe to galaxy (or potentially smaller) sized, there will probably be reprecussions upon his population if it exists.
- Location
- Actually pretty lost
Ok, what if we committed to doing this in the future (via Oath-Artifact) when we have a solution for this problem? It seems like something that could be solved with time, and time is what we currently lack - but unbreakable Oaths are exactly the sort of thing that let you convincingly promise to do it in the future instead. In the meanwhile, we'd just have Zang Kong be bound to aid us as the Elder Beast of Reason instead.
In fact, committing to doing this might mean it'd be better for Zang to break out of his chrysalis early and just commit to helping us as much as possible before the Heroine wakes up, on the basis that it won't really affect him or his progress in the long run, but having him around might increase our odds of success.
Last edited:
Shard
One and Many
- Location
- Malaysia
Do we get a Mastered Ring?
I am still wondering what the general powers of Severity is. Information Gathering? Cold analysis? Killing? It's probably a set of 3 Severity themes. Ditto Lore, though it seems to be general wisdom and information gathering. But that could just be one of 3 aspects.
- Location
- Pindorama
Would forging it permanently be too draining for us in the relevant timeframe? If we get this spell and lose the Ring of Might due to an Age passing, would we have to spend Beyond Points again to reforge it?
I mean, Negotiation can solve all of this. We can revive the people he killed. We can make sure the people inside him are well cared for. We can even even make him devote at least some measure of his efforts toward bettering the world. Besides, he did negotiate with us in good faith back when, and this is something we want to encourage out of people. If they think we would just betray them anyway, why not just go all out? Even fighting Kong might already do some pretty permanent damage to the world. Why risk it when we can just compromise?
Red: #ff0000, yellow: #ffff00, pale gold: #ffff4d are ones you've used previously.
Unfortunate, especially since the largest population growth's likely to be concentrated in the most recent expansions, but predictable.
Because relying on being able to undo something lets us do pretty much anything, so it isn't something I can argue for or against. More importantly, Suizhen would be sad. Do you want to make our
- Location
- Actually pretty lost
This is not an intractable problem, and we will have literally infinite time to solve the problem after killing the Heroine. In the absolute worst case, we could kill them all and spend enormous amounts of power/time resurrecting them with Necromancer. Your argument makes no sense.
Also Suizhen's Loyalty literally cannot fall while wearing the Battlesuit, so that's not even a consideration:
We'll resurrect her parents, she'll get over it.
Shard
One and Many
- Location
- Malaysia
Quick guess on Might:
1. Double BP spent on Cultivation Stages. Uhhh, this adds up to... +0.75... +1...+1...+1...+1. +4.75 Stages. If Stageless don't count, then +1.75. Similar to Truth.
2. Ability to Cultivate even when otherwise impossible.
3. Supreme Counter?
Also High Hand of Norn, what happens if we Truespell it? So much power.
1. Double BP spent on Cultivation Stages. Uhhh, this adds up to... +0.75... +1...+1...+1...+1. +4.75 Stages. If Stageless don't count, then +1.75. Similar to Truth.
2. Ability to Cultivate even when otherwise impossible.
3. Supreme Counter?
Also High Hand of Norn, what happens if we Truespell it? So much power.
Rihaku
The Internet
Great, do you also have Truth blue?
Shard
One and Many
- Location
- Malaysia
Quick bbcode checking suggests #0080ff.
Rihaku
The Internet
The High Hand is already a Logos-derived Truespell. It represents the absolute pinnacle of what a Full Diagram of the Fate Sign can accomplish in its purview.
Truth blue: #0080ff, Baenlixnaire's blue: #0000ff, Zang's blue: #99ccff
- Location
- Pindorama
I mean, if we didn't have the Scepter, this conversation might be going totally differently. Supreme power over death is pretty useful, who knew?
Yes.
She'll get over it. When she becomes Empress, she'll be likely too busy to think about anyway. Like, are we slaves to our friendship, do we think the people inside him have no say, etc. Sometimes people don't get what they want. Not us, of course, but presumably other people don't. Just hurt her this little bit.
It should be noted that Grace, unlike Truth, doesn't directly boost Artifice. We can count on Might having three abilities - if my guess is correct it would be something like:
Overwhelm: First Principle - Strength Triumphs. General esoteric defense that forces enemies to enter in direct contest of power with use
Accumulate: Second Principle - Power Compounds. Allows user to consume unique instances of powers and magics in order to upgrade himself
Prosper: Third Principle - Might Rules. Directly improves our ability to "rule" based on our raw energy, cowing weaker into servitude and acting as general social buff for ruling related shit
- Location
- Actually pretty lost
So, does this render us immune to Fate as well as summoning the Ring of Might? I assume this basically allows us access to the Ring of Might without actually ending or hastening the end of the Age, because it was never really forged?
Immunity to Fated bullshit (though it doesn't affect the Heroine's own Fated bullshit) and access to a Ring we can't get without losing otherwise is probably worth it. Also, you have to wonder if there are any bonus effects to having the manifested Ring of an Age whilst that Age is still ongoing.
Alectai
Speaks Words of Wisdom... On occasion
Well, my question is then.
What's the price we pay for High Hand of the Norns?
We got the Forge as an explicit freebie, but the Greater Signs seem to involve paying a forfeit to that principle--and Fate is quite literally what our foes control?
Right now it seems like such a no-brainer, especially with the EFB manifestation--that picking it up would effectively let us win the game on the spot, so there's got to be a catch because our foes are cheaters and we're not free of their power yet.
What's the price we pay for High Hand of the Norns?
We got the Forge as an explicit freebie, but the Greater Signs seem to involve paying a forfeit to that principle--and Fate is quite literally what our foes control?
Right now it seems like such a no-brainer, especially with the EFB manifestation--that picking it up would effectively let us win the game on the spot, so there's got to be a catch because our foes are cheaters and we're not free of their power yet.
Last edited:
Rihaku
The Internet
That would be superfluous. But be careful what you wish for.
- Location
- Actually pretty lost
I think it's just forging the Ring, as opposed to manifesting it via a spell? It goes away when we stop casting, after all.
BP is how we go beyond the limits of the system, and 10 BP is a lot. I'm pretty sure the price is just the opportunity cost of not spending those BP on something else, which is a lot. [This might not be true after all - see below.]
Ah, so one of the Ring's intrinsic effects is likely the immunity to Fate. You've phrased it as though that might be a bad thing though.
What's our Character Sheet like right now? I know we still have A Charmed Life, but it's set to expire within 3-6 Months, so we could just not summon the Ring more than once in that time. Are we benefiting from any other Fate-related buffs right now?
I also note that you didn't comment on the possible Age-ending effects of summoning this Ring, which would be pretty disastrous. Now it feels like a trap. You can't make 10 BP traps, Rihaku! ...Wait, have we lost A Charmed Life yet?
Last edited: