Empire: The Glory of Rome (Roman Empire Quest)

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Hear ye hear ye. I have come to deliver upon to you the people news!

...THE ROLLS ARE ONLY GETTING WORSE.

That will be all.
 
I hate to say it, but isn't this a little bit bullshit? Dice invalidating basically every decision or choice we can make is pretty shitty for player agency.
 
I mean the morale of the thread is pretty much non existent now, since were pretty much next to game over it seems.
 
We don't have half the luck the Arabs have and a lot more penalties, our Empire couldn't lose major sites (like the muslims lost Mecca, the HOLY CITY) and just shrug it off.
The results of the turn are grim but they aren't quite that grim. Although we're going to need to plan some strategic withdrawals and leave some parts of the Empire open to being ravaged for the time being.
 
I hate to say it, but isn't this a little bit bullshit? Dice invalidating basically every decision or choice we can make is pretty shitty for player agency.

I've hardly done that, you have loads of choices because I believe player agency, like I allow yoy you to do bad decisions if you want to.

At the same time your choices have mattered, the entire reason the Empire is fighting back better than the original invasion (Where they lost some 160-180k troops within six months) is because you're making better choices.

At the same would you prefer I abandon any realistic bonuses to armies and empires and literally make it a dice roll? Right now it's a varying amount of factors - quality of leadership, morale, quality of troops, terrain, defender's benefit, character based behaviour and a load of other factors that make each roll tilted towards the likely outcome you all just have some crap rolls. I mean the entire point of wieghted rolls is to show that history had luck as a factor.

I'm not trying to end the quest but if the rolls are literally below 50 constantly without relief I can't do much. On the other things are hardly as bad as Lags put it.
I mean the morale of the thread is pretty much non existent now, since were pretty much next to game over it seems.
It is physically impossible for the Arabs to get you to game over soon unless they capture Egypt, North Africa, Italy AND Constantinople. (Impossible with the wieghted rolls)
Well this was a nice quest while it lasted.
Do you want it to end?
 
I've hardly done that, you have loads of choices because I believe player agency, like I allow yoy you to do bad decisions if you want to.

At the same time your choices have mattered, the entire reason the Empire is fighting back better than the original invasion (Where they lost some 160-180k troops within six months) is because you're making better choices.

At the same would you prefer I abandon any realistic bonuses to armies and empires and literally make it a dice roll? Right now it's a varying amount of factors - quality of leadership, morale, quality of troops, terrain, defender's benefit, character based behaviour and a load of other factors that make each roll tilted towards the likely outcome you all just have some crap rolls. I mean the entire point of wieghted rolls is to show that history had luck as a factor.

I'm not trying to end the quest but if the rolls are literally below 50 constantly without relief I can't do much. On the other things are hardly as bad as Lags put it.

It is physically impossible for the Arabs to get you to game over soon unless they capture Egypt, North Africa, Italy AND Constantinople. (Impossible with the wieghted rolls)

Do you want it to end?
Dont end the quest! I think we can pull it off!

@Everyone how many men do you think the Caliph has? How many reinforcements do you think they have? That northern army was supposed to swing south. Now? Now they are bogged down in fighting in Armenia. Elephants in the mountains. They are learning the hard way why that isnt the best idea.

He has no reinforcements. This is the last army they can raise. While our performance is middling at best, and we have not decisively defeated them, neither have we lost.

Every day, we recover. Every day, more provinces come on line. If we need to, we can raise more Meroii. We recovered to the point that we can keep recruiting. The Caliph? This is all that there was for him to raise. After this there literally wont be anyone of fighting age left in the region. The Sassanids were tapped out, and Sassan troops make up like 2/3rds of his forces.

We havent lost. And until WE lose, until we are defeated, he has not won. Because we can keep up this slugging match longer than he can. He is invading us. We have the defenders advantage. How many men can the Caliph afford to lose, while holding on to the gains he has made? He has no one left to raise back home, he only has what he brought with him.

We wont lose until our fighting spirit is broken. Even if he takes Aegyptus, there is no guarantee that he will actually be able to hold on to Aegyptus. It will hurt, but the rest of the Empire is recovering as well. While we certainly cant keep this up forever and ever, I bet my boots we can keep it up longer than he can.
 
On the plus side, there is no way the Arabs are being welcomed by the Roman population. They are sacking every territory they can get their hands on to pay their armies and they can't keep it up forever. We just need to fucking hold!!!

Edit: Hopefully, the Sassanids are going to organize an attack once they get their shit together.
 
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On the plus side, there is no way the Arabs are being welcomed by the Roman population. They are sacking every territory they can get their hands on to pay their armies and they can't keep it up forever. We just need to fucking hold!!!

Edit: Hopefully, the Sassanids are going to organize an attack once they get their shit together.

I mean like, how many provinces are within their reach that have anything left to pillage? Only Aegyptus by our reckoning.
 
I think people are being overly dramatic we still some fuel in the tank besides what fun would it be to play a quest where everything is just roses and rainbows all the time
 
He has no reinforcements. This is the last army they can raise. While our performance is middling at best, and we have not decisively defeated them, neither have we lost.
I mean its because the Arabs came back from pretty much death and total destruction and moral obliteration to wrecking our shit in like a turn after we destroyed them. Like we burn the Islamic holy city, how much more destruction do you have to perform for them to back off for a while?
 
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