[X] Take only Kuroko
-[X] I slipped my hand into Kuroko's, which dragged her attention away from her discussion with Uiharu and caused her to look up from her seat beside me. "Touma could use some help, you up for it?" All I got was a smile and a nod before we were out of the limo and flickering through the sky.
-[X] To Saten, I talked using her phone, not wanting to make Touma waiting; I asked her to guard my, our friends, and, after ensuring it wouldn't be intercepted, also entrusted identity and safety of Index, while her primary guardian was away


I mean, Index needs protection, right? @UberJJK I also corrected one grammatical issue.
 
...Yeah, no. It's pointless and doesn't actually fuel their relationship, if you're going for that. It's also somewhat cruel to her.

[X] Take only Kuroko

However, the point regarding Kuroko being very useful in a hostage situation still applies.
 
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So... I'm fairly sure that Ars Magna counts as shaping. We have Integrity Protection Prana, meaning that at least his first attack against us should fail, and it's not like he'll have time for another. Worst case scenario is, of course, him seemingly killing / maiming Kuroko, and us snapping before such change can be undone.

What are our goals here, anyway? Aisa we definitely want to befriend, and possibly enlighten later (special rare abilities in our minions / friends? Yes, please).

In principle, getting Aureolus Izzard could be very useful too, and it's not like we haven't recruited people who did bad stuff before. And I would at least feel ok about risking him exploding if / when we enlighten him.
 
What are our goals here, anyway?
Personally my goals are to save Asia and to stop the murderous mind controlling magician.

Aisa we definitely want to befriend, and possibly enlighten later (special rare abilities in our minions / friends? Yes, please).
Befriend? Sure, Misaka could always do with more friends. Enlightening her probably isn't a good idea however. While I don't remember Index too well from my skimming of the Deep Blood Arc Asia just wants her power to go away. She doesn't like that it constantly draws in vampires only for them to die as a result.

In principle, getting Aureolus Izzard could be very useful too, and it's not like we haven't recruited people who did bad stuff before.
At first glance Kiyama and Aureolus seem similar but then when you compare them:
  1. Aureolus is trying to save one person instead of many.
  2. Aureolus is wanted by the Churches with little chance of a pardon.
  3. Aureolus turns murderous when he finds out his methods were useless instead of repentant.
  4. Aureolus murdered people for his goal instead of simply incapacitating them.
Point one isn't so bad, point two is something we could deal with, but three and four seem are unacceptable.
 
Befriend? Sure, Misaka could always do with more friends. Enlightening her probably isn't a good idea however. While I don't remember Index too well from my skimming of the Deep Blood Arc Asia just wants her power to go away. She doesn't like that it constantly draws in vampires only for them to die as a result.
Solar aspected essence might blunt the "attract them" aspect of her power. Or at least give her some control, if her power works as an esper ability. At the very least, it would bump her up the esper classification ranking, which would land her more money and allocate more resources to figuring out / improving her ability.


At first glance Kiyama and Aureolus seem similar but then when you compare them:
  1. Aureolus is trying to save one person instead of many.
  2. Aureolus is wanted by the Churches with little chance of a pardon.
  3. Aureolus turns murderous when he finds out his methods were useless instead of repentant.
  4. Aureolus murdered people for his goal instead of simply incapacitating them.
Point one isn't so bad, point two is something we could deal with, but three and four seem are unacceptable.
Very true. It could be argued about, in principle. Like against 1 Index is objectively far more important, being a walking WMD, than a bunch of random kids (very cynic, and isn't really part of the equation here, but can be brought up). For 2 we could fake his death, and with essence + Ars Magna, he could probably make it work. 3 might be a psychotic break or something (I forget, why did he become such, anyway? What was he actually going to do?), and might be prevented here. 4... Well, Kiyama would have killed people, it just didn't get that bad. She was lucky, I believe.

Mostly, I want someone on the magic side we could enlighten without worrying too much if they explode from it. A guilt-free test subject.
 
...Actually, quick fact check. I think sending Saten to guard Index might be a bad idea, as she's guarded by that flame spirit summon.
 
[X] Take only Kuroko
-[X] I slipped my hand into Kuroko's, which dragged her attention away from her discussion with Uiharu and caused her to look up from her seat beside me. "Touma could use some help, you up for it?" All I got was a smile and a nod before we were out of the limo and flickering through the sky.
-[X] To Saten, I talked using her phone, not wanting to make Touma waiting; I asked her to guard my, our friends, and, after ensuring it wouldn't be intercepted, also entrusted identity and safety of Index, while her primary guardian was away
 
3 hours 45 minutes while awake or 1 hour 53 minutes while asleep.
Not quite. You regenerate 4 motes per hour when active, and 8 motes per hour when resting; that isn't the same as "awake" and "asleep". Sitting back and doing some pleasure reading would count as resting, as would meditation.

Solar aspected essence might blunt the "attract them" aspect of her power. Or at least give her some control, if her power works as an esper ability. At the very least, it would bump her up the esper classification ranking, which would land her more money and allocate more resources to figuring out / improving her ability.
Her power is basically a poisoned honeypot for vampires. If "will kill you" isn't going to blunt the attraction, I doubt more "will kill you" will blunt it.
And if we're going to try and mess with her position in the AC Esper system, I would suggest we do so with planning involving our contacts that are in that system.

not wanting to make Touma waiting
This should either be "not wanting to make Touma wait" or "not waking to keep Touma waiting".
Also, I agree with @ApocalypticFish that what your vote has us saying to Saten doesn't seem like it would be very helpful.
 
I was actually talking about the blatant shipping with Kuroko, but I guess that just goes to show that I should be more exact with what I say in the future.
... Yeah, definitely, because I don't see how "our (my) friend needs help, want to come?" is at all cruel, or how it would cause problems with our relationship with Kuroko.
 
... Yeah, definitely, because I don't see how "our (my) friend needs help, want to come?" is at all cruel, or how it would cause problems with our relationship with Kuroko.
I dunno about you, but when I read hand-holding, it almost always has something to do with shipping. And I'm fairly certain you know Kuroko's deal with Mikoto in canon. It would come across as leading her on, at least how I see it.
 
I dunno about you, but when I read hand-holding, it almost always has something to do with shipping. And I'm fairly certain you know Kuroko's deal with Mikoto in canon. It would come across as leading her on, at least how I see it.
... Doesn't she need to grab us to teleport us, like she does in that stunt?
It's also a gesture used to ask if someone wants to come with you, like we're asking her to do.
 
It could just as easily be grabbing them by the arm, or tapping them on the arm, or clapping their shoulder... :V
Kuroko initiating any of those would make sense, but not Misaka.
Seriously, have you ever offered someone your shoulder to grab? It looks weird.
Basically, in order for it to be cruel (by way of encouraging whatever romantic feelings she has towards Misaka), Kuroko needs to read way too much into it.
 
Kuroko initiating any of those would make sense, but not Misaka.
Seriously, have you ever offered someone your shoulder to grab? It looks weird.
Basically, in order for it to be cruel (by way of encouraging whatever romantic feelings she has towards Misaka), Kuroko needs to read way too much into it.
Perhaps I've just grown too bitter, then. My actual problem isn't with the action itself, but the fact that I'm perceiving the purpose behind the action to have something to do with shipping, which sets me off. I'm still not going to vote for it, since I have my doubts that it isn't an attempt to do something with shipping (really, this is the same person that made the kissing vote) and I don't want to encourage that, but I'll acknowledge that my reaction to it being "no shipping" is jumping to conclusions and perhaps reading into it too much.
 
So... I'm fairly sure that Ars Magna counts as shaping. We have Integrity Protection Prana, meaning that at least his first attack against us should fail, and it's not like he'll have time for another. Worst case scenario is, of course, him seemingly killing / maiming Kuroko, and us snapping before such change can be undone.
It should. Worked much the same on Touma. First few attacks got dispelled, then he switched to just shooting shit.
What are our goals here, anyway? Aisa we definitely want to befriend, and possibly enlighten later (special rare abilities in our minions / friends? Yes, please).
Aisa just wants to live in peace. Her power disgusts her.

In principle, getting Aureolus Izzard could be very useful too, and it's not like we haven't recruited people who did bad stuff before. And I would at least feel ok about risking him exploding if / when we enlighten him.
Aureolus Izzard reforms later in Index canon. He realizes the depths of his hubris and basically walks the earth in atonement.

He eventually rescues/recruits Fiamma of the Right after Touma punched the crazy out of him and Crowley kicks his ass further for petty reasons. They form the league of reformed villains and generally focuses on preemptively taking down people who are like they used to be.

Turns out a supervillain is also really good at hunting down villains.
Befriend? Sure, Misaka could always do with more friends. Enlightening her probably isn't a good idea however. While I don't remember Index too well from my skimming of the Deep Blood Arc Asia just wants her power to go away. She doesn't like that it constantly draws in vampires only for them to die as a result.
Aisa wanted her power to go away yes. She's actually seen that some of the vampires are decent people, but the moment they get in range of her they turn into mindless monsters who disintegrate the moment they touch her blood.

At first glance Kiyama and Aureolus seem similar but then when you compare them:
  1. Aureolus is trying to save one person instead of many.
  2. Aureolus is wanted by the Churches with little chance of a pardon.
  3. Aureolus turns murderous when he finds out his methods were useless instead of repentant.
  4. Aureolus murdered people for his goal instead of simply incapacitating them.
Point one isn't so bad, point two is something we could deal with, but three and four seem are unacceptable.
1) To be honest Misaka is not innocent of this herself. If Kuroko was under the same curse she wouldn't have done much less. Probably would have stopped before the murders though.

2) Canon Raildex, IIRC the church recruits him into the deeper blackops stuff they do.

3) It's a Conviction Limit Break of sorts, actually. Remember, Ars Magna requires significant self-directed mind control to achieve the sheer mental focus needed to imagine and materialize phenomenon. He entered a self-mindfuck loop, which Touma could punch him out of. The problem

4) Noting that most of the dead people came back to life when the Ars Magna was dispelled.

5) Misaka and Touma, the ones on the mission, are unwilling to kill. And he is undeniably skilled.

Solar aspected essence might blunt the "attract them" aspect of her power. Or at least give her some control, if her power works as an esper ability. At the very least, it would bump her up the esper classification ranking, which would land her more money and allocate more resources to figuring out / improving her ability.
FYI, she doesn't want a higher ranking. Her power is Technical Level 0 - Unprovable and undetectable phenomenon occurs when superspeed vampires blitz her and then just vanish. Same as Imagine Breaker. It's not technically an Esper effect.

3 might be a psychotic break or something (I forget, why did he become such, anyway? What was he actually going to do?), and might be prevented here.
Answered above. Autohypnosis. Ars Magna requires absolute mastery of will to produce controlled phenomenon rather than random chaos...which is obviously impossible.

...impossible to people who are unwilling to use mind control magic on their own mind.
4... Well, Kiyama would have killed people, it just didn't get that bad. She was lucky, I believe.
Partial counterpoint. Kiyama indeed had a risk of death in her stunt, but she did it out of raw absentmindedness. Aureleous rationalized it as "I needed a few thousand people chanting this to make it work, and they will die horribly, but it doesn't matter because I can rewind their death and their memory of death with Ars Magna anyway".

There were no lasting consequences, but he was...basically a Kihara born on the Magic side, with good intentions.

...Actually, quick fact check. I think sending Saten to guard Index might be a bad idea, as she's guarded by that flame spirit summon.
IIRC, Stiyl needs to be there to control Innocentius at present.
Not sure though. He probably won't use a thousand degree fire summon to defend an ignorant Index inside a building, because theres a very real risk of accidentally killing Index instead.

It could just as easily be grabbing them by the arm, or tapping them on the arm, or clapping their shoulder... :V
Somewhat, but Kuroko always grabs people by the hand for friendly/non-combat teleports.

Aside from the one time she changed Misaka's underclothing for swimwear with it.
 
Aureolus Izzard reforms later in Index canon. He realizes the depths of his hubris and basically walks the earth in atonement.

He eventually rescues/recruits Fiamma of the Right after Touma punched the crazy out of him and Crowley kicks his ass further for petty reasons. They form the league of reformed villains and generally focuses on preemptively taking down people who are like they used to be.

Turns out a supervillain is also really good at hunting down villains.
Nah, Aureolus ends up amnesiac and never shows up again. You confuse him with Ollerus the failed Magic God, who is the one who recruits Fiamma.
She's actually seen that some of the vampires are decent people
I....don't recall she did? The reason she was traumatized is that, IIRC, a vampire came to her hometown, realized her power and feared it, and turned everyone she knew and loved to send after her.
2) Canon Raildex, IIRC the church recruits him into the deeper blackops stuff they do
Specifically, research witchcraft, create counter magic of it, and write it in pseudo grimoires for the Catholic Church to use against witches.
 
Nah, Aureolus ends up amnesiac and never shows up again. You confuse him with Ollerus the failed Magic God, who is the one who recruits Fiamma.
Ah, so I did. Been a while since the last reread and he didn't show up much
I....don't recall she did? The reason she was traumatized is that, IIRC, a vampire came to her hometown, realized her power and feared it, and turned everyone she knew and loved to send after her.
She's seen them living as normal people and then just go berserk and attack her. Some of them realized what was going on and tried to swarm her. Nothing worked. Once a vampire smelled her, they lost their sanity.
Specifically, research witchcraft, create counter magic of it, and write it in pseudo grimoires for the Catholic Church to use against witches.
Well, the church tends to take a wastenot-wantnot policy....actually, given that fate and his motivations, he's definitely recoverable, though keeping him out of Church hands take more credit than we have
 
There were no lasting consequences, but he was...basically a Kihara born on the Magic side, with good intentions.
Thus, he makes both a valued ally, if we can get him, and a guilt-free test subject. Because we need to test enlightenment on some mage, and I don't want to feel guilty, if they explode from it.
IIRC, Stiyl needs to be there to control Innocentius at present.
Not sure though. He probably won't use a thousand degree fire summon to defend an ignorant Index inside a building, because theres a very real risk of accidentally killing Index instead.
It was in the wiki when I checked. Thus, I worry that I might be doing us a disservice, even if IC this is a good choice.
 
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