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Ebeli Quest: How to Manage your Plot Devices and Save Creation

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[X]Ask Autochthon why you are now hearing about the Ishvara being stolen while keeping Shell from punching him.
-[X] point out that due to his lack of planning fellow creators were running out of tools and materials to make anything and their ingenuity and dogmatic rationing wouldnt have been enouh to keep them alive for much longer.
 
Carrnage said:
I suspect that the Limit torment and caste power of his infernals will be built around managing the robocancer
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I mean, the option that came up in the General Exalted Thread is that Autochthon-mantling Infernals can choose to take free ranks in a "Cancer" Background, which fucks you up in a variety of ways and necessitates increasing amounts of personal upkeep & resource expenditure to avoid dying from it at higher levels. It motherfuck-sucks.

Problem is, almost all of his Charms require at least 1 dot of Cancer to learn, so the only way to start actually working your way toward being a proper Infernal echo of the Great Maker is to share his sickness, and assume his position of being lesser than your fellows - physically feeble, dependent on external aid just to survive.

An invalid.

Defective.

And "curing" Autochthon's own sickness would end up wiping out all the parts of his Charm tree that require Cancer to function, so his genius is irrevocably tied to his infirmity, and removing one destroys the other. All you can really do for him is provide palliative care.
 
[X]Ask Autochthon why you are nowhearing about the Ishvara being stolenwhile keeping Shell from punching him.
-[X] Ask if there is anything else he has neglected to tell us, or if it is really that sensitive he can at least tell Shell.

Man, if we ever step into the Wyld after Oramus is free, its going to look like Mardi Gras and 4chan had a baby.
mastigos said:
My biggest concern would be Robocancer spreading throughout Autocthon's charmset and then spreading across the Infernal network of shared charms linking the Yozi to infect ALL of them. It's not a pressing issue since we intend to get him cleaned up by Ligier but definitely something to be aware of.

I am curious about how "primordials ARE their charms" interacts with the whole soul hiearchy thing
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Firstly its been stated that nominally most of Auto's charms aren't really Voidtech, just containing a touch of necrotic potential. Its only that his charms have a small chance to inflict sickness on failure, requireing him to effectively roll Medicine/Craft (Self) to fix the penalty that pops up as a result. I'm pretty sure one of the threadmarks has a bit of info on it.

Heretical charms wouldn't really have an effect on either primordial they come from, as they are exclusive domain of Infernal exalted. Plus as Celestial-Tier exalted Infernals do technically have a bit of void in them as all exalts do.
 
[X]Ask Autochthon why you are now hearing about the Ishvara being stolen while also letting Shell punch him.

Where's that minder goddess when we need her? She's good at punching sense into him.
 
[X]Ask Autochthon why you are now hearing about the Ishvara being stolen while also letting Shell punch him.

Bannery Bu ain't here so somebody else has to beat some sense into it/him.
 
FunkyEntropy said:
I really, really like the idea of conquering the Realm not for the sake of, y'know...conquering the Realm but because it just kinda happened while we were busy taking care of something actually important.
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It'd be a combination of "I accidentally the Golden Empress" and "I'm taking over the world because you people are stupid" and that's perfectly in character for Ebeli.
 
[X]Ask Autochthon why you are now hearing about the Ishvara being stolen while also letting Shell punch him.
-[X] Also ask Shell to punch you once for being the one stupid enough to banish Hunhow.
 
Vaalintine said:
[X]Ask Autochthon why you are nowhearing about the Ishvara being stolenwhile keeping Shell from punching him.
-[X] Ask if there is anything else he has neglected to tell us, or if it is really that sensitive he can at least tell Shell.

Man, if we ever step into the Wyld after Oramus is free, its going to look like Mardi Gras and 4chan had a baby.
Firstly its been stated that nominally most of Auto's charms aren't really Voidtech, just containing a touch of necrotic potential. Its only that his charms have a small chance to inflict sickness on failure, requireing him to effectively roll Medicine/Craft (Self) to fix the penalty that pops up as a result. I'm pretty sure one of the threadmarks has a bit of info on it.

Heretical charms wouldn't really have an effect on either primordial they come from, as they are exclusive domain of Infernal exalted. Plus as Celestial-Tier exalted Infernals do technically have a bit of void in them as all exalts do.
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I was referencing Voidtech's (presumed) ability to grow and spread and slowly infect other charms.
 
Lytek, and now his interim replacements, has a book that details EVERY Charm ever learned or designed by Creation's Exalted. Solar, Lunar, Sidereal, Dragon-Blooded; it's all there. Including Primordial Principle Emulation; now that Ebeli is free of the Curse, she can use that Charm to gain access to Autochthon's Charms, or those of any other Primordial. This can also help Shoat of the Mire; a Solar who knows a Charm with an Abyssal Mirror can teach that Mirror to the Abyssal*. Have Ebeli learn Black Mirror Revelation (Requires Whispers 1), and she can train Shoat in Unconquered Hero's Faith.

*And vice versa; an Abyssal who knows a Charm that Mirrors a Solar Charm can teach the Mirrored Charm to a Solar; an Abyssal knowing Undying Stagnation Defense can teach a Solar how to perform Integrity-Protecting Prana.
 
So something to keep in mind-

Releasing a Yozi isn't simple. At least, not just politically. The Incarnae technically run the show, and while Jupiter did say that the Yozi are fated to be freed, one must remember that Fate was something the Ebon Dragon invented to fuck with people. On the other hand, the Sun did react positively to the idea of Oramus being a bulwark against another Balorian crusade, especially if Autochthon takes the throne of the Yozi.
 
GreggHL said:
So something to keep in mind-

Releasing a Yozi isn't simple. At least, not just politically. The Incarnae technically run the show, and while Jupiter did say that the Yozi are fated to be freed, one must remember that Fate was something the Ebon Dragon invented to fuck with people. On the other hand, the Sun did react positively to the idea of Oramus being a bulwark against another Balorian crusade, especially if Autochthon takes the throne of the Yozi.
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The Infernal exalted could become a sort of go-between for heavan and the yozi as well.
 
GreggHL said:
The Incarnae technically run the show,
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They can be overruled. One Exalt of each extant type, IF acting as a duly appointed representative of their type of Exalt, can come together at Calibration and state that a given Yozi is to be freed, and that Yozi is released immediately, regardless of what the Incarnae might say about it. The Exalts must be recognized as representing the majority of their type of Exalt, must be acting entirely of their own free will (no akuma, One Hand Fury backdoor, or UMI allowed), and must be unanimous in their desire to free a Yozi. Only one Yozi can be released at a time by this method.
 
GreggHL said:
So something to keep in mind-

Releasing a Yozi isn't simple. At least, not just politically. The Incarnae technically run the show, and while Jupiter did say that the Yozi are fated to be freed, one must remember that Fate was something the Ebon Dragon invented to fuck with people. On the other hand, the Sun did react positively to the idea of Oramus being a bulwark against another Balorian crusade, especially if Autochthon takes the throne of the Yozi.
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I thought it was Samsara, not Fate, that said so?
 
Finagle007 said:
Lytek, and now his interim replacements, has a book that details EVERY Charm ever learned or designed by Creation's Exalted. Solar, Lunar, Sidereal, Dragon-Blooded; it's all there. Including Primordial Principle Emulation; now that Ebeli is free of the Curse, she can use that Charm to gain access to Autochthon's Charms, or those of any other Primordial. This can also help Shoat of the Mire; a Solar who knows a Charm with an Abyssal Mirror can teach that Mirror to the Abyssal*. Have Ebeli learn Black Mirror Revelation (Requires Whispers 1), and she can train Shoat in Unconquered Hero's Faith.

*And vice versa; an Abyssal who knows a Charm that Mirrors a Solar Charm can teach the Mirrored Charm to a Solar; an Abyssal knowing Undying Stagnation Defense can teach a Solar how to perform Integrity-Protecting Prana.
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Teaching ANYONE Black Mirror Revelation is a horrible idea.
 
Finagle007 said:
They can be overruled. One Exalt of each extant type, IF acting as a duly appointed representative of their type of Exalt, can come together at Calibration and state that a given Yozi is to be freed, and that Yozi is released immediately, regardless of what the Incarnae might say about it. The Exalts must be recognized as representing the majority of their type of Exalt, must be acting entirely of their own free will (no akuma, One Hand Fury backdoor, or UMI allowed), and must be unanimous in their desire to free a Yozi. Only one Yozi can be released at a time by this method.
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This might be so, but the long-term political cost of such an action (alienating and angering the Incarna) is not something I'm willing to pay.
 
Finagle007 said:
They can be overruled. One Exalt of each extant type, IF acting as a duly appointed representative of their type of Exalt, can come together at Calibration and state that a given Yozi is to be freed, and that Yozi is released immediately, regardless of what the Incarnae might say about it. The Exalts must be recognized as representing the majority of their type of Exalt, must be acting entirely of their own free will (no akuma, One Hand Fury backdoor, or UMI allowed), and must be unanimous in their desire to free a Yozi. Only one Yozi can be released at a time by this method.
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This involves getting the Celestial Exalted to agree on something. Which, since the Abyssals and Infernals are a thing, may involve them as well, so you'd have one party which is always like "FREE THE YOZI! DOWN WITH THE GODS!" while the others are telling them to shut up and let the adults talk. And the Abyssals are split between wanting to kill everyone and wanting to be oh so pretty.
 
And of course if the Great Curse were still a thing, such an action would have required all of the Sidereals to agree on a plan.

Admittedly irrelevant now, but still.
 
GreggHL said:
This involves getting the Celestial Exalted to agree on something.
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A majority of every type, yes. And not just a simple majority, either; at least two-thirds of each type would not only want the Yozis released, but have to agree on who their representative should be. At current count that's 100 Solars, 200 Lunars, 67 Sidereals, who-knows-how-many Dragon-Blooded, 667 Alchemicals, 33 Infernals, and 67 Abyssals. Far from simple, but it can be done.

GreggHL said:
Which, since the Abyssals and Infernals are a thing, may involve them as well
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It most definitely would. That's how that clause in the Oaths is written: One representative of each type of Exalt. The types aren't specified, because as far as anyone knew, Autochthon could just make more at some point.

Xantalos said:
And of course if the Great Curse were still a thing, such an action would have required all of the Sidereals to agree on a plan.

Admittedly irrelevant now, but still.
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Indeed.
 
Does raise the question of whether the Infernal's Urge counts as a UMI if the Infernals have their Urges set to FREE A YOZI or something similar. Because of the Yozi in the Reclamation, one is the platonic embodiment of the Rules Lawyer (Cecelyne) and one cheats.
 
GreggHL said:
Does raise the question of whether the Infernal's Urge counts as a UMI if the Infernals have their Urges set to FREE A YOZI or something similar. Because of the Yozi in the Reclamation, one is the platonic embodiment of the Rules Lawyer (Cecelyne) and one cheats.
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Eh. I wouldn't call any of the Yozi platonic embodiements of anything other than themselves. Cecelyne has a very specific perspective on law and its role, one that doesn't come close to encompassing every form of legal theory people have come up with.
 
GreggHL said:
The immense, central pillar holding Jast's core glows brightly. You walk over to it along with Shell, who falls to one knee. "Jast. You were lost against the Viator."

"This form is lost. It will require reincarnation. Why do you come?"

"We seek a path to the Monument Garden and the Pole of Crystal," you explain, "We have come to heal the Great Maker."

"The Great Maker knows of your plight," Shell explains, "He may dream of this place. That will provide an entrance."

The core flickers and glows. "And how will you gain entry, should it be here?"

Okay. She's got you there. "I have that in hand," Ligier yells, "Collect its soul if you will."

You pinch the bridge of your nose. You need to get this plan better outlined. "Right. Shell?"

Shell shrugs, and rises up on her plasma thrusters. Reaching above the core of the city, she extracts a sphere from the pillar. Banishing it to Elsewhere, she lands next to you and you walk back to Ligier.
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So, what ended up happening with Jast and Jarish? After the fusion dance and use of Order Affirming Blow to clear away all Void zones in Autochthon's body, the site of Jarish's fall would have been among the places purified. So it should be safe now.

So, does that mean that Jarish/Jast can be... repaired, reincarnated, safely now?
GreggHL said:
"There was an Ishvara inside the Terrestatic Replicator Zone inside the Pole of Crystal. It was used to ensure that my sleeping state experienced constructive dreams and arrested the spread of Nullspace."

Everyone. Everyone. Turns to the Great Maker. Your knuckles turn white around your staff.

"There was a materials shortage in Autochthonia and you had a raksha as a sleep aid?"
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-point out that due to his lack of planning fellow creators were running out of tools and materials to make anything and their ingenuity and dogmatic rationing wouldnt have been enouh to keep them alive for much longer.
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On the one hand, at least the Ishvara was doing some good as a sleeping aid, if it's presence arrested the spread of Nullspace (whatever the hell that is anyway). On the other hand, it probably could have done double duty as sleeping aid and resource source. Or at least switched between the two as needed...

Now I'm assuming that he couldn't just have gotten by, by grabbing just any Raksha. Maybe it would have taken at least a little bit of planning. But, like -- he could have tried to capture a Wyld storm whole, or something. I am definitely assuming/desperately hoping that his problem wasn't as easily prevented as "just literally grab any Raksha." Or... Well, there might've been another possibility or way for him to solve his problem -- a Protoshinmaic Vortex, I believe is the thing I'm thinking of.

I wonder if one of those could have also sufficed to solve the scarcity issue? Because he could have just taken one of those with him too. Or made one. I'm pretty sure they're a lot less rarer than freaking Ishvara.

Dangit, Autochthon.
 
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