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Ebeli Quest: How to Manage your Plot Devices and Save Creation

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Emerald Oracle said:
[x]This is the best idea ever.

ALL HAIL THE RETURN OF PRIMUS! FIRST OF THE GODS AND KING OF ALL CRAFTSMEN! TILL ALL ARE ONE!

Edit: Upon further thought this vote doesn't encompass the entirety of this idea so I will also vote for
[x]This is the worst idea ever.
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He's honestly more Unicron than Primus, complete with the immense glowing maw and possible giant prongs.
 
Mannan said:
If Autocthon wins, then that is great, he now has Malfeas obeying him and perhaps even the others.

If he loses then we are all screwed as Malfeas can now command Autochton as his king.
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Now, the question is what would happen in the case of either victory. If Autochthon wins, he might not want to be king. Because he has no interest in being a ruler- he would want free access to Malfeas so he could get materials for his forges. He can't right now because Malfeas will throw a shit fit the moment he spots an encounter suit.

Malfeas, if he wins, would still be king- Malfeas is king. He is just rulership without power, as he still lacks Ruvelia. But on the other hand, this would be cathartic. He can still order people around, but people don't have to obey him. An actual battle between him and Autochthon would allow Malfeas to work out some of his infinite rage- especially if it is a close battle, allowing Malfeas to work out some frustration.

Now, the question is- what form does a battle between two dyson spheres the size of jupiter's orbit around the sun take? Two brass balls slamming together? Immense battles of light and heat? Dance battles? Remember, Autochthon did copy charms from when he was merged with us in Unity of the Closed Fist.

Is this when we finally find out whether or not Shell has Thousandfold Courtesan Calculations?
 
Hmm. So Malfeas is someone that is made to rule, but has no power to enforce his dominion.

Tifiret is a being that is fully capable of dominating the world and forcing all others to obey, but just can't bring the will to care or make others obey.

I wonder what kind of things Tifiret does, or if it evenacts at all.
 
Hmmmm, well if Auto is beaten and accepts Malfeas as King and has to at least listen to his orders there is ONE caveat to that which could work in our favor. Given that Tiferet seems to be much more benevolent than Malfeas she could just countermand any order Malfeas gives that would be cruel or cause unecessary harm. Also for Autochthon & Malfeas' battle we should have Ruvelia set some ground rules so neither of them kill the other.

However this is all missing the part where Ligier already knows we intend to go to Malfeas. Seriously, Malfeas is very likely aware of everything that Ligier has seen, especially since Ligier is co-locating in both Autochthonia & Malfeas. Also Ligier did state to let him know when we were going to Malfeas, so it could be that he would arrange passage.
 
GreggHL said:
He's honestly more Unicron than Primus, complete with the immense glowing maw and possible giant prongs.
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Now see, this just makes me think he's the Primus before Primus! You know, the iteration of Cosmic Oneness that was both Unicron and Primus in total unity before they split off from each other and started wrecking up the place.

Still counts as Primus though.
 
Vaalintine said:
Hmmmm, well if Auto is beaten and accepts Malfeas as King and has to at least listen to his orders there is ONE caveat to that which could work in our favor. Given that Tiferet seems to be much more benevolent than Malfeas she could just countermand any order Malfeas gives that would be cruel or cause unecessary harm. Also for Autochthon & Malfeas' battle we should have Ruvelia set some ground rules so neither of them kill the other.

However this is all missing the part where Ligier already knows we intend to go to Malfeas. Seriously, Malfeas is very likely aware of everything that Ligier has seen, especially since Ligier is co-locating in both Autochthonia & Malfeas. Also Ligier did state to let him know when we were going to Malfeas, so it could be that he would arrange passage.
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Ligier is, however, honor-bound to keep us safe. Which would involve not letting Malfeas know that Autochthon and Ruvelia are coming.
 
Important things for consideration:
-In a battle between worldforms, won't this be bad for the people of Autocthonia?
-Unity of the Closed Fist with one of EVERY type of Exalt could help the fight whilst still counting as Autocthon's work. More importantly, we might be able to prevent Autocthon from making any stupid commands in the wake of a victory.
 
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    • So, we know how Malfeas will react to Autochthon.

    Based on hanging with Ruvelia and Ligier, we also know how he'd react to Ruvelia.

    At first, Malfeas will believe we are mocking him. That this is a measured insult to rub the death of Ruvelia in his face.

    Then he will realize she is Ruvelia, and order every force at his disposal- the Infernals, his soul hierarchy, every demon who will listen- to forcibly reintegrate her into his soul hierarchy. This includes Ligier.

    Of course, Ligier's loyalties lie towards Ruvelia. While Malfeas is the Yozi he is a part of, Malfeas cannot force Ligier's hand.
     
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    • GreggHL said:
    forcibly reintegrate her into his soul hierarchy.
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    And...being as she is a part of Theion, how much would she be lessened to fit into Malfeas? Or would Malfeas become greater to incorporate her...dumb question, of course he would, but he wouldn't be Theion again either, so the question about Ruvelia's lessening stands, I think.
     
    Can't Malfeas literally puppet Ligier whenever he wants? I was under the impression that he could do so, and he would not be bound by any sorcery or anything.
     
    Amberion said:
    Can't Malfeas literally puppet Ligier whenever he wants? I was under the impression that he could do so, and he would not be bound by any sorcery or anything.
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    It's one of those cases where you are then inviting the nuclear fireball at the center of yourself to start burninatinog you at will.
     
    my reaction to last update "Soooo.... how Skyrim Players end up viewing Dragons..."

    lorewise absurdly overpowered unkillable killing machines, to the Dovaahkiin, a convenient source of top quality mats and Shout Juice.

    ALT: "Raid Bosses in a nutshell"
     
    Ehorin said:
    my reaction to last update "Soooo.... how Skyrim Players end up viewing Dragons..."

    lorewise absurdly overpowered unkillable killing machines, to the Dovaahkiin, a convenient source of top quality mats and Shout Juice.

    ALT: "Raid Bosses in a nutshell"
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    Eh, they're top quality -1 mats.
    Daedric is lighter, and you can make weapons out of it.

    Malfytown genuinely is the top of the line.
     
    Amberion said:
    Can't Malfeas literally puppet Ligier whenever he wants? I was under the impression that he could do so, and he would not be bound by any sorcery or anything.
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    As far as I understand Ligier can only behave honorably.

    If he is getting possessed and said possession would end up hurting those he would protect, the only honorable thing to do would to grab his sword and cut open his neck, because he is that damm cool :D

    And once he gets back to Malfeas stare disapprovingly at the Green Sun :p
     
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