Do note that Takara is not the only person whose opinion we should keep in mind.

Having them be a safe distance away ifwhen Makram wakes up again is probably for everyone's benefit.

You're not... wrong? But there's a difference between 'I'll take them into custody in my house' compared to 'I'll take them into custody in someone else's house'. The former, it's your house, though you do have an obligation to inform fellow residents. The latter is outright presumption without the 'someone else's' consent.

Makram wouldn't be happy to see them, but he'd know most out of everyone that it wasn't Takara who mauled him up that badly. We'd want to keep him separated anyway, and the Spire be big, yo.

Again the ideal world I'd prefer is to take them into Eldingar's custody officially and hand them over to Issachar if he's willing, which I do not doubt but do not wish to presume. If he says no, the Spire is still a valid, if less ideal, option.

(I'm pretty sure the Issachar option would still have Eldy 'officially' responsible for Takara's incarceration anyway. Which, speaking of, how are we going to handle that if all queries regarding That Meddlesome Fox gets pointed to us?)
 
[X] Suggest that Takara be released into Issachar's custody. He has his ranch, nice and isolated with plenty of time to keep an eye on them, and since Ljósingar already knows he's some sort of angel they might be inclined to trust in his abilities. And Issachar did say he'd help however he could. Maybe he can direct some of his 'being good to people' energies into Takara? You'll likely have to sweeten the pot a little somehow.
 
[X] Suggest that Takara be released into your custody. You have the spire, and a lot of lovers living there who'd be perfectly capable of keeping an eye on them, as well as your own personal draconic might and authority. Mostly just a sideways move compared to being jailed here. You'll likely have to sweeten the pot a little somehow.

Meh, might as well take him into the spire since it is big and a bunch more secure than the Ranch imho.
 
"I'm no happier about it than you, believe me!" Takara retorts, flicking their head to look at you over their shoulder. "I'd have loved nothing more than to show up tonight with the map with a jaunty 'no harm done' and toss it over my shoulder while I ran back off, but that just wasn't an option. There was an incident down in Stagroot, maybe you heard of it while you were chasing me higgledy-piggledy all over the continent."

mmnnnyyyeeaaaah

xiomara 100% has the map plus, uh, whatever she found or pulled out of that underground dungeon so uh

whelp

On the other hand Issachar probably would be able to do them some good. There's also something to be said for subjecting Takara to the terrible fate of interacting with nice people again.

I think it's worth noting that for an asexual dude Issachar is absolutely capable of being an absolute fucker. ;v

But, nah, like Issachar isn't just nice he doesn't take shit from people and got a lot of mileage out of low-key dicking around Eldingar and Lyrros with being pretty blatantly inhuman. He's pretty much exactly the kind of person who'll just no-sell most of Takara's crap, won't really rise to their bait, and who can pretty methodically pry open their barriers and has the general good judgement and emotional finesse (and general emotional maturity) to know when that's necessary. Issachar's honestly the most "adult" out of everyone in the Spire including, incredibly, the several centuries old vampire.

I prefer this over the spire option in general I think because it's less dropping everyone in the deep end, Takara and the others alike. There'll be time for them to get used to each other (it gives us more reasons to check in on Issachar) and allows for an easier cooling off.

[X] Suggest that Takara be released into Issachar's custody. He has his ranch, nice and isolated with plenty of time to keep an eye on them, and since Ljósingar already knows he's some sort of angel they might be inclined to trust in his abilities. And Issachar did say he'd help however he could. Maybe he can direct some of his 'being good to people' energies into Takara? You'll likely have to sweeten the pot a little somehow.

Plus it pretty neatly takes the problem off of Ljósingar's hands and while the god wants some kind of retribution I think they probably also don't super want to deal with keeping a possible-demon-fox shapeshifter bottled up beneath the city because that's more trouble than it's really worth. And then storm-bird can just wash their hands of the whole mess and go back to doing what they were doing.
 
I think it's worth noting that for an asexual dude Issachar is absolutely capable of being an absolute fucker. ;v

But, nah, like Issachar isn't just nice he doesn't take shit from people and got a lot of mileage out of low-key dicking around Eldingar and Lyrros with being pretty blatantly inhuman. He's pretty much exactly the kind of person who'll just no-sell most of Takara's crap, won't really rise to their bait, and who can pretty methodically pry open their barriers and has the general good judgement and emotional finesse (and general emotional maturity) to know when that's necessary. Issachar's honestly the most "adult" out of everyone in the Spire including, incredibly, the several centuries old vampire.

I didn't mean 'nice nice' as in Petros nice and I completely agree with this assessment, there's no 'but nah' involved :p

Issachar's ability to patiently crowbar past Takara's walls is exactly why I want him on the job.

I prefer this over the spire option in general I think because it's less dropping everyone in the deep end, Takara and the others alike. There'll be time for them to get used to each other (it gives us more reasons to check in on Issachar) and allows for an easier cooling off.

This though is very true. I guess I was being a little pedantic on the assumption front.

[X] Suggest that Takara be released into Issachar's custody. He has his ranch, nice and isolated with plenty of time to keep an eye on them, and since Ljósingar already knows he's some sort of angel they might be inclined to trust in his abilities. And Issachar did say he'd help however he could. Maybe he can direct some of his 'being good to people' energies into Takara? You'll likely have to sweeten the pot a little somehow.
 
[X] Suggest that Takara be released into Issachar's custody. He has his ranch, nice and isolated with plenty of time to keep an eye on them, and since Ljósingar already knows he's some sort of angel they might be inclined to trust in his abilities. And Issachar did say he'd help however he could. Maybe he can direct some of his 'being good to people' energies into Takara? You'll likely have to sweeten the pot a little somehow.
 
[X] Wash your hands of the whole thing. Let Ljósingar keep Takara imprisoned and leave with Issachar and Petros. From the sounds of it Takara has done a lot more harm than just stealing from you - and besides, they can probably break out before anything drastic like an execution happens. This is just a final farewell, an assurance that Takara will never bother you again.

Frankly at this point I don't believe her at all. Don't know, and don't expect an answer. Just leave her to be alone and miserable.


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[X] Suggest that Takara be released into Issachar's custody. He has his ranch, nice and isolated with plenty of time to keep an eye on them, and since Ljósingar already knows he's some sort of angel they might be inclined to trust in his abilities. And Issachar did say he'd help however he could. Maybe he can direct some of his 'being good to people' energies into Takara? You'll likely have to sweeten the pot a little somehow.
 
[X] Suggest that Takara be released into Issachar's custody. He has his ranch, nice and isolated with plenty of time to keep an eye on them, and since Ljósingar already knows he's some sort of angel they might be inclined to trust in his abilities. And Issachar did say he'd help however he could. Maybe he can direct some of his 'being good to people' energies into Takara? You'll likely have to sweeten the pot a little somehow.
-[X] Check with Issachar if that is good with him before finalizing.
 
[X] Suggest that Takara be released into Issachar's custody. He has his ranch, nice and isolated with plenty of time to keep an eye on them, and since Ljósingar already knows he's some sort of angel they might be inclined to trust in his abilities. And Issachar did say he'd help however he could. Maybe he can direct some of his 'being good to people' energies into Takara? You'll likely have to sweeten the pot a little somehow.
-[X] Check with Issachar if that is good with him before finalizing.
 
[X] Suggest that Takara be released into Issachar's custody. He has his ranch, nice and isolated with plenty of time to keep an eye on them, and since Ljósingar already knows he's some sort of angel they might be inclined to trust in his abilities. And Issachar did say he'd help however he could. Maybe he can direct some of his 'being good to people' energies into Takara? You'll likely have to sweeten the pot a little somehow.
 
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Guys Issachar said it was fine and at this point, I'm gonna have to assume Zerban had him say that to avoid people doing Exactly This.
 
[X] Wash your hands of the whole thing. Let Ljósingar keep Takara imprisoned and leave with Issachar and Petros. From the sounds of it Takara has done a lot more harm than just stealing from you - and besides, they can probably break out before anything drastic like an execution happens. This is just a final farewell, an assurance that Takara will never bother you again.

This is reminding me of some stuff I know we need space
 
And as you say the words, it finally hits you. Silence falls in the cell block, your hand resting in the bent divot you made in the bar. Takara stares back at you, wide-eyed, with nothing to say in reply. Something comes to you. A flash of supernatural insight perhaps, some buried draconic instinct. Perhaps you just know Takara better than you thought.

You read through the bars and plunge your hand into Takara's chest.

holy fuck Eldingar

Like yeah, okay, draconic intuition and all but couldn't you have picked a solution that would have gone wrong less catastrophically?

never mind making dramatic gestures that go catastrophically wrong is Eldingar's entire brand

Anyway, yeah, most of the arguments I'd make for Issachar's place have already been brought up but I do think it's prolly the best option here.

[X] Suggest that Takara be released into Issachar's custody. He has his ranch, nice and isolated with plenty of time to keep an eye on them, and since Ljósingar already knows he's some sort of angel they might be inclined to trust in his abilities. And Issachar did say he'd help however he could. Maybe he can direct some of his 'being good to people' energies into Takara? You'll likely have to sweeten the pot a little somehow.

@ZerbanDaGreat are we supposed to specify how Eldingar will "sweeten the pot" for the relevant options, or will that be handled next update?
 
No, the specifics of what Eldingar settles on to bribepersuade Ljósingar aren't important, just that it'll involve some kind of material sacrifice unlike the easy way out.
Ljosingar: You will have to... Sacrifice your mother's life to me!
Eldingar: Deal.
Ljosingar: Wait, wh- This is your mother we're talking about here. Don't you want to think through this longer?
Eldingar: The fact that it's my mother we're talking about is why I don't need to think through this at all.
 
There's only one person you should be talking to tonight - and if not now, you might never get the chance.
No wholesome beefcake just yet... Oh well, Takara's good too. Our foxy nbae needs some help.
The drunk actually mumbles "your lordship" as you pass - is he so bleary-eyed he thinks you're actually Ljósingar? You can't blame him really. You're no brother of theirs, but 'cousin' wouldn't be inaccurate.
I think it's more likely he just figures that offering at least some form of honorific when a frikkin' dragon strides by is just good sense...
Takara's waiting for you at the far end. Standing right there at the bars, bold as brass. Hell they even look like they fluffed themself up in preparation.
I'll bet they did - they probably heard you pacing around and thought, oh boy oh boy, another chance to get myself killed!
"... you're saying you didn't hurt Makram."

Takara glances at you out of the corner of their eye. "Yeah. Xiomara did it, froze him over then hit him so hard he just kind of cracked open. He got distracted trying to get me to cough up the map - didn't realise she busted him up so bad he couldn't even tell you what happened 'til you showed up tonight. Think the map fell out of my pocket while we were leaping about in the bar, who knows where it's got to now."

You shake your head, finally unclasping your hands so you can bring one to your brow. Takara uses your brief silence to start pacing again. "Alright. Fine. Let's... entertain the notion for a moment that you're telling the truth about Xiomara being one of the beacons on the map, and you went to Stagroot to try and sway her like you did Petros.
Well, here's a good sign; Takara says they didn't hurt Makram, and that's the one thing here that Eldingar isn't dubious of. They'll 'entertain the notion' that Xiomara was on the map and that Takara met them, but that Takara didn't hurt Makram, that just slips by. I'll take it.
The cell is a mess. It looks like it was used to cage a wild animal, an animal that scratched and clawed and threw itself against the walls in helpless fury at its capture. The bed frame, old and economical but still quite solid iron, has been kicked to pieces, the mattress and bedding shredded into so many rags and clumps of feathers to match. Even the toilet has a foot-sized chunk knocked out of the bowl. And amid it all lies Takara, curled up in a ball amid the remains of their bedding, lying on their side facing the far wall. Their hair is tangled and bedraggled, their robes ripped and dirtied just as they were after your fight. You don't spy a twitch out of their limp tail or their flattened ears.

The moment stretches on forever. You feel like you should say something, but what can you say? What could someone possibly say in a situation like this to... fix it? All of it? You could peel these bars apart and step into the cell with Takara if you so chose but you can't. All your strength and it fails you. You can't even move. All you can do is stare at their back and imagine the what-ifs, the could-haves and might-have-beens. All you had to do was go looking for the Söfnun beacon before that heist that started it all.
... oh. so, not the 'oh boy oh boy' then. Getting reeeeal shades of Loki circa Thor 2, here, and that's a bad place to be.

Sigh. It does make me wonder, though - what would it'd have been like, if we'd dropped in on Takara early? What would they have turned out like? What would it have done to the others? Were there other failure states lurking in the wings to make trouble for us like this, or was this a preventable tragedy in a meta sense, too?
"I think you needed me to be your 'bad guy'. The one who transgresses and finally provokes you enough to make you cut loose like a real dragon." A soft, dry-throated chuckle. "And you were a real dragon tonight, weren't you Eldingar? Every bit the unstoppable force of nature they say your kind are. 'til someone did stop you, I s'pose. But it sure wasn't me. Didn't matter what trick I threw at you, you just kept on coming. And you didn't even have to transform, heh."
And here we see the kitsune in its native habitat - reimagining everything that passed so that every awful thing that happened was inevitable, rather than preventable mistakes. This is gonna be a long relationship before you're stable, isn't it?
"And maybe that's why she was on your list too," Takara murmurs. "What greater challenge could a dragon ever want? Wouldn't that be one for the history books? You'd be the greatest dragon in the world. Get all the fear and respect and adoration you could ever want. Maybe she's the one you finally kill. Maybe that's the last thing you need to be happy."
ouch takara. somehow i suspect "maybe the last thing you need to be happy is MURDER" isn't going to get out from under Eldy's scales for a while.
There's a knock at your door. You don't move. There's a second knock at your door. You still don't move.

"It's only me," comes Issachar's muffled voice through the door.

"It's unlocked," you reply.

The door swings open. He makes no effort to cross the threshold. You swivel one eye in his direction - he's in his human form still. He just looks at you in turn, one hand resting on the doorframe. What he sees must speak volumes.

"You went to see them, didn't you?"

"Yeah."

What else is there to say? Plenty you suppose, but nothing that can be said in the ambiguously short time between now and when a god is planning to call on you, so the matter slowly falls out of view like a gently-wafting feather. Instead Issachar's expression only grows softer, and he lets his hand fall from the doorframe to his side.

"I only wanted to say that... I'm with you, Eldingar," he says at last. "Whatever deal Ljósingar offers you about last night, whatever you decide, I want to help you however I can."

"... 'anks," you croak at last. Your voice sounds like it belongs to a stranger. Issachar smiles kindly and shuts the door again. Somehow you just feel worse.
Thank you, Issachar. Very politely handled.
"Business, then." Ljósingar descends at a slow, loping gait, hands folded behind their back, curling their great blade-feathered wings around their body like an excessively lethal cloak. "You may be pleased to learn that I have decided to let the bull go. He cooperated readily enough when interrogated that I had him moved to a proper room during the night, as his only crimes are naivete, ignorance, and the company he keeps - although I have instructed the guards not to let him leave until we are done deliberating his fate. The fox, however, is another story."
Petros' Wholesomest Beefcake In The Land-ness comes through for him again. Just let them meet already :<
You know, once again I'm wondering what our plan was in the event where Eldingar actually got what he planned for kinda. Nothing went wrong what do we do now?
Panic, I guess?

Hmm, votes, votes, votes...

[ ] Wash your hands of the whole thing. Let Ljósingar keep Takara imprisoned and leave with Issachar and Petros. From the sounds of it Takara has done a lot more harm than just stealing from you - and besides, they can probably break out before anything drastic like an execution happens. This is just a final farewell, an assurance that Takara will never bother you again.

Ha, not a chance. I haven't carried the torch for Takara all this way just to drop it here.

[ ] Suggest that Takara be released into Issachar's custody. He has his ranch, nice and isolated with plenty of time to keep an eye on them, and since Ljósingar already knows he's some sort of angel they might be inclined to trust in his abilities. And Issachar did say he'd help however he could. Maybe he can direct some of his 'being good to people' energies into Takara? You'll likely have to sweeten the pot a little somehow.

It might be a little forward to saddle Issachar with this, but they did offer and it's the kind of thing they'd be pretty good at. Plus I gotta echo Omegahugger here, the prospect of the two of them crammed in tight together is just kind of inherently amusing. Tenfold makes a pretty good articulation of why Issachar is a good fit for this, but to be honest I kind of get the sense that it's also something they want. They seem like they rushed over terribly worried and now they're a bit desperate to... well, help, in a material way.

[ ] Suggest that Takara be released into your custody. You have the spire, and a lot of lovers living there who'd be perfectly capable of keeping an eye on them, as well as your own personal draconic might and authority. Mostly just a sideways move compared to being jailed here. You'll likely have to sweeten the pot a little somehow.

Riskier. Guessmyname is right, Takara is good at playing games with people and pushing their buttons, giving them this many people to interact with could go badly. On the other hand, it gives a lot more perspectives on keeping an eye on them... It could go very well, it could go very badly.

[ ] Tell them to just let Takara go. You don't care any more, or don't want to care, or something along those lines but the point is you want Takara out of your life. If Ljósingar lets them go they'll have to disappear, go into hiding and wait until whatever fuss got kicked up in the god community dies down. And, most likely, they'll never bother you again. You'll definitely have to bribe Ljósingar somehow to get them to agree to pardon.

Mmm. It'd throw Takara for a loop and might earn us some gratitude there, but the cost would be significant and, honestly, I'm not sure it'd do any good. Takara is pretty clearly locked into their self-destructive spiral, I think this only really turns out as a "giving them another rope to hang themselves" kind of deal.
Can I just say how much I love this temple design? It makes complete sense, feels unique (to me at least) and isn't just a case of 'slap down a church bam done'.
Agreed. I like how it sort of vaguely suggests a lightning storm, too - many bolts landing all over the place and all. Or maybe I'm reading too much into it.

[X] Suggest that Takara be released into Issachar's custody. He has his ranch, nice and isolated with plenty of time to keep an eye on them, and since Ljósingar already knows he's some sort of angel they might be inclined to trust in his abilities. And Issachar did say he'd help however he could. Maybe he can direct some of his 'being good to people' energies into Takara? You'll likely have to sweeten the pot a little somehow.
 
[X] Suggest that Takara be released into your custody. You have the spire, and a lot of lovers living there who'd be perfectly capable of keeping an eye on them, as well as your own personal draconic might and authority. Mostly just a sideways move compared to being jailed here. You'll likely have to sweeten the pot a little somehow.
 
[X] Suggest that Takara be released into Issachar's custody. He has his ranch, nice and isolated with plenty of time to keep an eye on them, and since Ljósingar already knows he's some sort of angel they might be inclined to trust in his abilities. And Issachar did say he'd help however he could. Maybe he can direct some of his 'being good to people' energies into Takara? You'll likely have to sweeten the pot a little somehow.
 
[X] Suggest that Takara be released into Issachar's custody. He has his ranch, nice and isolated with plenty of time to keep an eye on them, and since Ljósingar already knows he's some sort of angel they might be inclined to trust in his abilities. And Issachar did say he'd help however he could. Maybe he can direct some of his 'being good to people' energies into Takara? You'll likely have to sweeten the pot a little somehow.
 
[X] Suggest that Takara be released into Issachar's custody. He has his ranch, nice and isolated with plenty of time to keep an eye on them, and since Ljósingar already knows he's some sort of angel they might be inclined to trust in his abilities. And Issachar did say he'd help however he could. Maybe he can direct some of his 'being good to people' energies into Takara? You'll likely have to sweeten the pot a little somehow.

// Just tell the god that giving Takara into Issachar's custody means they are out of the god's and his people way and it will definitely be a punishment. With a minor chance of reforming Takara.
 
[X] Suggest that Takara be released into Issachar's custody. He has his ranch, nice and isolated with plenty of time to keep an eye on them, and since Ljósingar already knows he's some sort of angel they might be inclined to trust in his abilities. And Issachar did say he'd help however he could. Maybe he can direct some of his 'being good to people' energies into Takara? You'll likely have to sweeten the pot a little somehow.
 
Morning light streams in through your balcony door. Last night's storm has finally broken, and the local got has seen fit to let the sun shine down for once. You don't know how early Ljósingar takes visitors so you don't budge. You just lie there, flat on your back atop the still-
local god

[X] Suggest that Takara be released into Issachar's custody. He has his ranch, nice and isolated with plenty of time to keep an eye on them, and since Ljósingar already knows he's some sort of angel they might be inclined to trust in his abilities. And Issachar did say he'd help however he could. Maybe he can direct some of his 'being good to people' energies into Takara? You'll likely have to sweeten the pot a little somehow.

This seems the best chance of rehabilitating Takara, honestly. Isacchar definitely has both the patience to deal with her attempts at trickery and the emotional maturity to get her to improve her self-image and general... personality? Help her not hate herself, anyway.
 
Guys Issachar said it was fine and at this point, I'm gonna have to assume Zerban had him say that to avoid people doing Exactly This.
Technically, we can't really write-in or alter the votes anyways. I was just hoping to inspire Zerban to write an adorkable scene where Eldingar thinks he may have take Issachar for granted. I can't speak for Archeo Lumiere though.
Adhoc vote count started by Madou Sutegobana on Dec 31, 2018 at 12:26 PM, finished with 3774 posts and 28 votes.

  • [X] Suggest that Takara be released into Issachar's custody. He has his ranch, nice and isolated with plenty of time to keep an eye on them, and since Ljósingar already knows he's some sort of angel they might be inclined to trust in his abilities. And Issachar did say he'd help however he could. Maybe he can direct some of his 'being good to people' energies into Takara? You'll likely have to sweeten the pot a little somehow.
    [X] Wash your hands of the whole thing. Let Ljósingar keep Takara imprisoned and leave with Issachar and Petros. From the sounds of it Takara has done a lot more harm than just stealing from you - and besides, they can probably break out before anything drastic like an execution happens. This is just a final farewell, an assurance that Takara will never bother you again.
    [X] Suggest that Takara be released into your custody. You have the spire, and a lot of lovers living there who'd be perfectly capable of keeping an eye on them, as well as your own personal draconic might and authority. Mostly just a sideways move compared to being jailed here. You'll likely have to sweeten the pot a little somehow.
    [X] Suggest that Takara be released into Issachar's custody. He has his ranch, nice and isolated with plenty of time to keep an eye on them, and since Ljósingar already knows he's some sort of angel they might be inclined to trust in his abilities. And Issachar did say he'd help however he could. Maybe he can direct some of his 'being good to people' energies into Takara? You'll likely have to sweeten the pot a little somehow.
    -[X] Check with Issachar if that is good with him before finalizing.
 
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Technically, we can't really write-in or alter the votes anyways. I was just hoping to inspire Zerban to write an adorkable scene where Eldingar thinks he may have take Issachar for granted. I can't speak for Archeo Lumiere though.
I want an adorkable scene where Isachaar praises us for being considerate without him prompting us.
 
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