Downwind the Mountain: An Amegakure Quest (Naruto)

The North-East territories were lost in the Third War, when Namikaze Minato broke Iwa and all the nations of the world flinched.
That's a bad ass description. I'm gonna steal that some day.

[X] North-West, to the sacred mountains and forests, where you'll pick up the abbot of a monastery you've never heard of.
 
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[x] North-West, to the sacred mountains and forests, where you'll pick up the abbot of a monastery you've never heard of.

It takes you a few days to reach the old capital by boat. Civilization waxes and wanes as you travel upstream - only Amegakure and the regional capitals have lights which blaze all through the night, but a river is a river is a river. There's always people living on the banks.

Even if, right now, you can't see them.

"Why are we keeping watch?" Yuma asks you as you stare out into the black.

"Bad habits kill good ninja," you reply. "If you're outside of the city, even if there's no war, you set a night watch. Every time."

Yuma grunts in acknowledgement. "So do we just sit until it's Akira's turn?"

"We can talk, if you like," you say. "But quietly."

Neither of you says anything for a while. Overhead you see the stars, brilliant in a way they never are in the village. It's vaguely unsettling: like there's a vast empty space above you, and the world might just tip over and send you falling into it.

Eventually he comes up with something to say. "How does this mission make us better ninja?"

"You mean, a better fighter?"

"Yeah."

You think about it. "It doesn't, really," you say. "But it teaches you skills you need. Understanding the country, interacting with people. That's not nothing."

"Aren't fighting skills what matter?" he asks. You look at him. Brown hair. Pale, freckled skin. A normal kid, except for all the talent and dead parents.

"Eh," you reply.

"Eh?" he asks, affronted.

"You need to be a fighter, but you also need to know when to be a fighter. Awareness, leadership, that kind of thing." Of course, you're the worst person to be making this argument. You dangle your arms off the side of the boat, but can't quite reach the water. "That can't be learned in a training ground."

"Aren't ninja supposed to be soldiers?"

"And this is what soldiers do when there's no war. Besides, do you think being a soldier means you just follow orders?" You snort. "That sort of soldier died in the second war, and chakra doesn't change that. Ninja can't afford to be stupid." Yuma couldn't afford to be stupid.

Yuma's lips thin. "Isn't that what being strong is, though?" He scowls, staring down at the black waters. "Someone who's strong can be stupid, or mean, or whatever they like. And ninja are strong."

He's not wrong, you think. You wonder if there's a story there. Yuma has by far the most civilian background of your team, and the least stable. Your mother isn't a high-ranked shinobi, but she was there, even if your father wasn't, and you grew up in Amegakure knowing what profession you'd join. Takashi might have had different expectations, but he's still from a chakra using clan. And of course, the battlefield is in Akira's blood. "Is that what kind of person you want to be, when you're strong?" you ask.

Yuma flinches like you slapped him, and says nothing. You listen to the waves lapping against the boat.

"It's not a bad thing, to want to be strong," you tell him, once his mood seems to shift into something unspoken and unhealthy. "And you're right. Most missions don't make you stronger. For now, it's my job to do that. Eventually, it's going to be yours."

He hums tonelessly. Not happy, but no longer upset. You spend the rest of the night talking about more trivial things.

~

You don't stay in the old capital long. There's really only one thing to do, anyway.

"Why is it empty?" Takashi asks. It's a fair question. Space isn't at a premium in quite the same way as in Amegakure, but it's quite a bit of land to go unoccupied.

Akira's face is serious as he answers in your stead. "Because the poison's still there."

The palace district of the Daimyo of Rain lies scattered before you, like the bare bones of a long-rotten corpse. The Salamander's sacrilege. Even now, Hanzo's toxins rest in the dirt, warding off the quickly spreading city to its south. No animal lives there. Few plants grow. He'd gone to the Daimyo a beggar - or so the story goes. Bare-handed and servile, Hanzo had gone, to beseech the Lord of Rain for more funds to fight a war that Rain was losing. But he'd been denied. Politely or rudely, totally or only in part, nobody could say. Only Hanzo had walked out of that grave, and he'd emerged to speak of what would be.

Not what no longer was.

~

A few more days along the roads, with all the attendant frustrations of trying to teach field camping techniques to city-raised genin, and you arrive at the village. The villagers look at you like you're something otherworldly. By their standards, you suppose you are. It's quite possible a jonin has never visited this community nestled in the foothills of the northern mountains. With how isolated it is, even chunin might be things of more rumor than substance to these people. Behind you, your genin are unsettled by the quiet whispers and nervous second glances. You've already told them in no uncertain terms that however they act reflects on you and, in turn, on Amegakure, but there's really nothing you could have said to prepare them for the distance between the freshest genin in Rain's service and the most respected elder out here in the periphery.

You could wipe this village off the map, and nobody here could stop you. Maybe you'd even get away with it.

A man old enough to be your father makes his way towards you, his face somewhere between terrified, desperate and determined. The client, probably. His clothes are on the finer side for a village like this, and it would have taken some amount of pull to have a missing person case rise to the attention of Amegakure.

"Mr. Sato," you greet calmly, and watch as his face twists through some complicated dance of emotions.

"Honoured shinobi," he returns, bowing low. Behind you, your genin shuffle their feet as they fail to mimic your bland professionalism.

"You've called for aid, and Amegakure has answered," you recite. "What is it you require?"

The apple of his throat bobs as he composes himself. Around you, not close enough to crowd but definitely near enough to hear, other villagers watch one of their leaders shiver in front of you. "My- my son," he replies. "He went up into the mountains, and-"

Never returned. You resist the urge to sigh. It took you nearly a week to reach this village. The request must have been sent a month ago or more, to work up from local efforts, through the magistrates, to Amegakure. Where you picked it up because it was conveniently placed, not because it was marked high priority. The odds of his son being alive aren't particularly good. You wonder if it would've been more merciful for Mr. Sato's prayers to have never been answered.

You offer him a reassuring smile that doesn't reach your eyes. "Let's take this inside, shall we?"

Mr. Sato can only nod.

~

It's the work of a few minutes for Mr. Sato to offer what hospitality he has. No wife or daughter appears to pour the tea, and you detect no other presences, so you suspect he's a widower and lives alone. Which might explain why he was desperate enough to push his son's case past the point of reason. After offering some sincerely rote compliments, you get straight to the point.

"Mr. Sato, the odds of your son being alive are slim." You try and say it as compassionately as possible. Not very, given the subject matter, but it could be worse.

He folds a bit like paper in damp weather. "I- am aware, Sir Kitagawa."

"The way I see it, we have a few options," you continue. "The first is that we continue to treat this as a missing person case. Due to how delayed Amegakure's response was and the attendant reduction in the odds of success, the cost will be diminished. It's entirely possible we will not find your son, particularly if he is no longer living." You pause for a moment. "My skills make me very effective at locating living targets. This is not the case for the dead. Nevertheless, we can make the attempt."

Mr. Sato nods morosely.

"Second." You raise another finger. "We cancel this mission. There will be no further cost to you, beyond quartering us for a night."

He spasms, slightly. Mr. Sato truly loves (loved?) his son, you think, if the suggestion that he give up hurts him so much. Or maybe it's a civilian fixation. Ninja are much more used to unrecoverable bodies, even with much better reason to make sure they're accounted for.

"Third." You pause, for a moment, hesitant to broach the subject weighing on your mind. "We treat this as a murder investigation."

Now he startles, looking at you with shocked brown eyes. "Is- was my son murdered?" he whispers.

You suppress your habitual shrug and meet his watery stare dead-on. Mr. Sato flinches away. "I don't know. It's still possible, if unlikely, that your son is alive and in position to be found. Of the possibilities where that isn't true, only some of them are from a human cause."

"And the- investigation?"

"We would focus more on questioning potential suspects. I am not an interrogator by trade," you say, "but I do have some advantages to bring to bear."

The small room Mr. Sato was hosting you in is silent as the man stares into his tea cup. You see his thoughts play out on his face. What if? Could he live with himself for not trying to know? What if not, and he set a shinobi on his village without cause? And if his son lived, what then? You take a sip of your tea. Maybe it would've been kinder, not to let him know about the third option, but you only flinch away from honesty when it's uncomfortable for you.

Eventually he comes to a decision.

"Just- just find my son. To bury him, if nothing else."

You and your team sit in Mr. Sato's empty house and nod. You'll give him a contract to sign later.

~

The thing is, while you're not going to be combing through alibis, the beginning of looking for a missing person and a murder investigation are very similar. You have to find out who saw the target last, what they were up to on the last day.

The other thing is, you're curious. You poke and prod at things. Especially when those things don't poke and prod back.

And civilians are so easy.

Genjutsu is the art of using chakra to connect to a target's mind and, generally, proceeding to lie like a soapmaker. Preventing unwanted feedback is the first lesson any would-be genjutsu adept learns, because any connection more responsive than a prepackaged burst of bad memories and trauma goes both ways. And there's no more embarrassing way to go than to have your own technique turned back on you. You've done it to a few would-be adepts. They died mortified. Another reason most people don't do more than dip their toes into the field, you suppose. Getting burnt to a crisp or a dozen ruptured organs is a more dignified way to die for most ninja.

But that's ninja. People who know what chakra is and how to use it, who have at least cursory knowledge of genjutsu and the willingness to break open their own hearts just to cut someone with the pieces. Dangerous people. So you're comfortable ensnaring the people you talk to in what might be considered the most basic genjutsu - no lie, no illusion. Nothing at all, from your end, except the connection. And while you're carefully not battering them with thoughts or scourging them with feelings, they can't help but bleed their deeper truths into your chakra.

It's not mind-reading. Only four villages have figured that trick out, and Rain isn't one of them. But when you go to Mr. Sato and say you'd like a guide up the mountain in the morning, you're not asking for his most experienced hunter. You're asking for someone whose heart was particularly suspicious.

He puts you up in the rooms which once belonged to his wife and daughter. Your team draws straws for who stays with you and does the middle watch. Meanwhile, his son's room remains unoccupied.

~

Who are you bringing up the mountain?

[ ] The fiancee.
A young woman of modest means whose guilt and fear had been sickeningly strong. You'd insinuated some things about the circumstances of her husband-to-be's death, and it had only gotten stronger.

[ ] The best friend.
A slender and pretty young man who'd been skittish around you - perfectly normal - but whose emotions had been… strange. Muted, and underneath that, a nearly animal sort of panic.

[ ] The old flame.
A young priest who had formerly been Sato the Younger's fiancee, before deaths in the family pushed him into a role you suspect she didn't want. Underneath his grief, you'd felt a coal of black satisfaction.
 
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[X] The fiance.
A young woman of modest means whose guilt and fear had been sickeningly strong. You'd insinuated some things about the circumstances of her husband-to-be's death, and it had only gotten stronger.
 
[X] The best friend.

Weirdest emotions to me. The Fiance's guilt could be misplaced. The Old Flame's satisfaction could just be human nature.
Cannot think of a reason for muted emotions covering animal panic. Unless it's some sorta PTSD response?
 
[X] The best friend.

Fiancee could be the reason for the death, while the best friend could be or know of the cause of it. The old flame might be the ultimate puppetmaster, but it could also be black satisfaction over an old choice.
 
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[X] The best friend.

Weirdest emotions to me. The Fiance's guilt could be misplaced. The Old Flame's satisfaction could just be human nature.
Cannot think of a reason for muted emotions covering animal panic. Unless it's some sorta PTSD response?
Might be abusing something to keep shit under raps, or just so it doesn't drive him crazy.
 
[X] The best friend.
A slender and pretty young man who'd been skittish around you - perfectly normal - but whose emotions had been… strange. Muted, and underneath that, a nearly animal sort of panic.
 
[X] The best friend.
Curious to know what his deal is, and a panicked person seems like an easier one to get useful reactions out of.

Also, I reread the previous chapter and when I got to this part:
Immersive genjutsu are never perfect. Never even close, even in an environment as simple as an abandoned building." You gesture at the plain concrete construction, which definitely helped with your deception. "The air quality on the ceiling was the same as on the floor. The real ceiling is way worse. Your sweat was also running against what gravity should've been. The place where I actually was had an unnatural haze I really didn't want you to notice. There were a lot of patches that just didn't look right; you probably thought it was shadows or water damage or something. Frankly, immersive techniques are only useful against really vulnerable targets, not for combat. Interrogations-" You cut yourself off there; you can ramble about genjutsu for hours. "We'll talk theory later," you say instead.
I can't help but wonder how Uchiha illusions measure up. Given that Rain has seen enemy Konoha nin before they should have some knowledge, since it's pretty heavily implied most Uchiha use genjutsu to some extent. I assume Mangekyo illusions are a step above normal ones, but are the generic Sharingan illusions that much better too?
 
[X] The fiance.
A young woman of modest means whose guilt and fear had been sickeningly strong. You'd insinuated some things about the circumstances of her husband-to-be's death, and it had only gotten stronger.
 
[X] The best friend.
A slender and pretty young man who'd been skittish around you - perfectly normal - but whose emotions had been… strange. Muted, and underneath that, a nearly animal sort of panic.
 
[X] The best friend.
Curious to know what his deal is, and a panicked person seems like an easier one to get useful reactions out of.

Also, I reread the previous chapter and when I got to this part:

I can't help but wonder how Uchiha illusions measure up. Given that Rain has seen enemy Konoha nin before they should have some knowledge, since it's pretty heavily implied most Uchiha use genjutsu to some extent. I assume Mangekyo illusions are a step above normal ones, but are the generic Sharingan illusions that much better too?

It's complicated. The Sharingan has three major functions: visual acuity including the ability to see chakra, visual memory, and the ability to form chakra connections by looking at things, particularly eye contact.

For the purposes of genjutsu all of this helps: Sharingan illusions have high visual fidelity, solid emotional impact and can be cast quickly with eye contact. However, they aren't necessarily much better at the other senses, and you still need to put the effort into crafting something if you want it to be really catch rather than be a split second illusory shock, because ninja know genjutsu is a thing and know Uchiha like to use it.

More broadly the mechanisms of genjutsu run into three limitations which have to exist for ninja fights to be cool superhuman martial arts as opposed to Shonen, Sponsored By Lockheed Martin.

The first is that, of what few genjutsu we see in Naruto, a bunch of them are unreasonably effective at immobilizing an opponent: Kurenai's tree, Tayuya's chains, Orochimaru's snake-thing etc. Assuming a fight to the death with sharp objects, being immobilized should be a quick trip to having a knife somewhere vital. Similarly, as seen with Kin and a lot of fanfics where genjutsu comes up, there's the kind of genjutsu that fucks with the body, often the sense of balance or proprioception or something the writer things would be a good, subtle and practical illusion for their badass Sakura (not to hate on badass Sakura fics) to learn once and never use again. Likely because you can only write 'and then the enemy ninja stumbled due to thus one neat trick and died' like twice before it gets boring. Immersive genjutsu have the same problem going the other way - if you can effectively stop your opponent from seeing the world around them, you can stop them from seeing specifically the kunai you threw at their face.

One could simply accept these conclusions, and say that fights between competent ninja are going to involve a lot of genjutsu and embarrassing deaths due to Suddenly Froze Up And Caught A Kunai In The Eye, but this isn't at all what we see in the source material aside from a few times when Madara or Sasuke were allowed to fight cannon fodder. You could say genjutsu is that effective, but particularly excruciatingly hard. Or you can say genjutsu is, for the most part, simply not that effective at killing people. For the sake of preserving the magic fist fights I assume we're all here for, my answer is closer to the latter two: barring a grotesque mismatch in skill, a great deal of effort and manipulation of the target and environment or something decidedly unusual, you cannot use genjutsu to guarantee the knife.
 
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[X] The best friend.
A slender and pretty young man who'd been skittish around you - perfectly normal - but whose emotions had been… strange. Muted, and underneath that, a nearly animal sort of panic.


If it's not the best friend, he's still most likely to know about both the fiance (who could be guilty about some fight that sent him into the mountains) and the old flame (who could just be vindictive) without giving false information. If it is the best friend, choosing him is the best chance to figure that out.
 
[X] The best friend.

It must be pretty novel, honestly, to have an extended peacetime after a Great War. They've only had one of those before, and people must still be learning to deal with the ramifications of it all, entire generations of 'traditional' shinobi being wiped out and their teaching lineages going extinct.
 
[X] The best friend.

It must be pretty novel, honestly, to have an extended peacetime after a Great War. They've only had one of those before, and people must still be learning to deal with the ramifications of it all, entire generations of 'traditional' shinobi being wiped out and their teaching lineages going extinct.

It really depends on your standard for 'extended' lmao.

Hiruzen Sarutobi was young (a teenager?) at some point in the first war and Hokage by the end of it. He was ~58 years old when the third war ended, and ~52 when it started, which leaves us at most like 35 years for the peace after the first, the second, and the peace after the second.

There was quite possibly never a period of peace longer than 15 years after the death of Senju Hashirama.
 
It really depends on your standard for 'extended' lmao.

Hiruzen Sarutobi was young (a teenager?) at some point in the first war and Hokage by the end of it. He was ~58 years old when the third war ended, and ~52 when it started, which leaves us at most like 35 years for the peace after the first, the second, and the peace after the second.

There was quite possibly never a period of peace longer than 20 years after the death of Senju Hashirama.
The scale of warfare increased but peace didn't, I guess? What used to be skirmishes and conflicts with lulls in them now turn into long drawn out engagements which needs constant care. The fact that Hiruzen is Ninja Middle-Aged is pretty neat, considering just how many casualties there must have been in his generation with new paradigms of fighting emerging.
 
[X] The best friend.

He seems like the weak link in this conspiracy. If it's a conspiracy. It's a conspiracy.

It really depends on your standard for 'extended' lmao.

Hiruzen Sarutobi was young (a teenager?) at some point in the first war and Hokage by the end of it. He was ~58 years old when the third war ended, and ~52 when it started, which leaves us at most like 35 years for the peace after the first, the second, and the peace after the second.

There was quite possibly never a period of peace longer than 15 years after the death of Senju Hashirama.
The problem is conflicts will always boil over to encompass the entire ninja world now. Before two daimyo could fight without things spilling over, because it was between them and nobody had Tailed Beasts. The problem with systems like Hashirama's, Hanzo's, and even Naruto's, is that once that keystone shinobi is gone, everything collapses. Before it was constant small to medium scale conflict all over the place, now it's lulls with small scale conflicts and constant espionage in between large scale conflicts.
Disseminating the Tailed Beasts was a mistake, but keeping them would have been a bigger mistake. Maybe he should have killed them, then maybe war would've been prevented for longer. Or maybe when they all regenerated, it would've been the war to end all wars. Who can say?
 
The Maps Which Drive Me Mad
So here's a question. How big are the countries in Naruto? How are they arranged, and what is their climate? This is no small question - answering it guides how we think about the dynamics of warfare, politics and economy. It's also a question that Naruto is Not Interested In Answering, but what it does say spans the gap between interesting and ridiculous.

To start, let's look at the best map canon has to give us.



If the general jankiness of the art and the messed up names doesn't make it obvious, this is actually from really early on in Naruto (and also Totally A Legal Translation), but it terms of straight geographic layout it's never contradicted as far as I know. There's a few other maps which label the smaller countries bordering Konoha and tell us that Konoha is basically dead center in the Land of Fire. For the purposes of this quest, I'm using this fan-made map, because it's prettier and gives names for more things, but it's, let's say, speculative on anything beyond what we see in the image above. It also gets the names of a few minor countries wrong but I don't care.

Notably missing from the canonical map is any scale. The fan-made map makes the countries, honestly, fairly small - Fire Country would be smaller than the primary island of Japan and the combined land area of every country of note would be less than half of China. This is actually coherent with some things we see. The most notable scale-granter we have are the Sasuke and Gaara Retrieval Arcs. The former tells us a fairly mediocre genin (sorry Naruto) can reach, at a conservative estimate, the midway point between Konoha and the Land of Sound in roughly a day of travel on foot. The latter tells us a group being held up by a non-combat chunin (sorry Sakura) can get a message from Sand and then travel the same distance on foot in less than three days. (We don't have travel times for the Wave Arc, but Inari manages to get to Konoha Pretty Quick after Pain flattens it so that's another point in this interpretations favour.) This is internally consistent in the broadest sense. It even gels with some other things: the Konoha Crush, the Demon Brothers just Vibing outside Konoha's gates, Lightning's kidnapping attempts, how every war turns into a free-for-all with people fighting people they don't even come close to bordering, the frankly tiny army mustered for the literal End Of The World and so on.

It's also insane, because it puts every single Hidden Village within a week's travel of laying siege to Konoha and vice versa. If you think you're 'ard enough the way Pain did, you can try and alpha strike the continent's superpower. Have your jinchuriki charge up their city killing laser and carve it up. Poison their water supply. Whatever. The narrative we have of the Third War is like, actual offensives and manoeuvre with supply lines and fronts over the course of more than half a decade, at least prior to Namikaze Minato turning on the spinbot, which is... difficult to reconcile with the idea that Jiraiya and Minato could've been knocking on Iwa's door in less than five business days. (The delivery is a giant toad.)

Needless to say, for the purposes of this quest, countries are much larger. It took a few days for Kandachi to reach the northern mountains at jonin-running-for-his-life pace, and it's taken Kohaku a few more days dragging a genin team with her. And the Land of Fire is multiple times Rain's size.

(Another thing you notice, looking at the map: Konoha's on some geographic destiny bullshit. Sea access to three oceans, geography not defined by deserts or mountains or high latitudes. Mist's the only one half as well positioned but it's a bit busy genociding itself.)

Or maybe when they all regenerated, it would've been the war to end all wars. Who can say?

Interestingly, we don't actually have much evidence of jinchuriki being deployed prior to the Third War. In that war, Killer B definitely was, Han was mentioned, Yagura seems safe to assume (the utter mess of Hidden Mist's timeline notwithstanding), Yugito maybe, but we don't hear a lot about them. Part of that's because the whole nuclear weapon balance of power thing was only written into the story relatively late, but if we want to come up with an in-universe reason, it's worth remembering that the three wars happened within forty years. The first jinchuriki, made with Hashirama looking over everyone's shoulder, were likely not functional as weapons, and so would've been useless in the war immediately after Hashirama's death. The next generation of jinchuriki might simply have not been functional in time for the second war, because the technique is being invented and it's hard to iterate quickly on a technology which you can test at most two prototypes at a time of, and which you probably don't want to just shove into expendable pawns to try over and over again lest they decide to say 'hey, fragment of god, want to turn this sinful village into a crater?', so it's possible that most villages only got (mostly) functional jinchuriki around when the the Third War started.

Except Sand. Everybody laugh at Sand, they needed a Konoha genin to give their superweapon therapy for it to be functional.
 
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