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Divergent Codex: The Revised History of the First Contact War (Mass Effect)

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Randino Treviani said:
Batarians have a more than 15 century head start on eezo technologies, and you want to take a crippling debuff to humanities development along those lines? Madness. Unless your leaning towards humanity becoming a Turien vassal after a decade or two of crushing defeat, vote for a sizeable research station. We're going to need at least that much for any chance of independence.
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Seeing the mechanics of the quest we can always buy the victory via DP, but that is going to be fucking expensive...
 
[X] …a sizable research station. (Canon) (+0 DP)

Much as I like the idea of going into undiscovered fields of research and science, maybe just a little dipping of our toes into Eezo is wise.
 
Frankly, the rhetoric of "Don't choose this option, because humanity will slide into hell" is starting to get boring.

First "Don't choose an early start, because humanity will slide into hell"
Then "Don't choose the limitation in the zero element, because humanity will slide into hell"
I will laugh very hard if in the future there will be "Don't choose incompetent generals, because humanity will slide into hell".:V
 
Fanhunter696 said:
Yeah, I mean what do they expect us to get in 200 extra years from a crater when the Asari, the most technologically advanced race of the setting is still piggybacking on their own Prothean Archive despite being space-faring for 2000 years
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It's already been mentioned that the Asari are deliberately slow-rolling what they get from the Temple. They dripfeed just enough that they stay ahead of the rest of the galaxy, they're not a good comparison.
 
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To add my own two cents to the side of "Promethean big hole" the main reason EZ tech exists is because the reapers (you know, the masters of EZ tech) made it so all galactic civilization could go down one path. Thus easier to face. However, while I'm not as knowledgeable about the mass effect universe, I do know this, lower tech and resources don't mean automatic failure.

A recent example is Ukraine. Despite having a fraction of the technology, manpower, and military training, they were still able to kick russia's ass. More specifically on the black sea, where the use of drones was able to deal massive blows to the russian black sea fleet.

will we be weaker if we choose the crator, yes. But we aren't going to automatically fail.
 
Regardless, going the canon route is simply the most Vanilla direction we could go, and that seems somewhat reductive, when we consider that this is an "alternate" version of humanity. That's the whole point of this project, so to speak.

I will also emphasize that we will be negatively impacted in future choices, we will have to pay off the debt somehow, it is going to hurt "somewhere".
 
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[X] …a ruined crater. (+5 DP)
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[X] …a hidden military installation. (-10 DP)

We either go big or go in a crater.
 
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Yeah, we don't know when the penalties for having negative DP will start hitting. Even with it likely being inferior seeing what humanity manages with minimal eezo up until First Contact will be neat, so I'm pretty happy to pay for recouping some of those points.
 
Bylba said:
Frankly, the rhetoric of "Don't choose this option, because humanity will slide into hell" is starting to get boring.

First "Don't choose an early start, because humanity will slide into hell"
Then "Don't choose the limitation in the zero element, because humanity will slide into hell"
I will laugh very hard if in the future there will be "Don't choose incompetent generals, because humanity will slide into hell".:V
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???

"Guys let's choose the worst possible options imaginable it'll be so interesting"

"What the heck guys why are you picking the option that won't have humanity become slaves?!?!"
 
charlest said:
???

"Guys let's choose the worst possible options imaginable it'll be so interesting"

"What the heck guys why are you picking the option that won't have humanity become slaves?!?!"
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There are also the people acting like picking the option will unlock some secret tech tree which was never mentioned or even hinted at before.
 
gale said:
There are also the people acting like picking the option will unlock some secret tech tree which was never mentioned or even hinted at before.
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You're the one that keeps bringing up the idea of "some secret tech tree" as a strawman. A couple people said that when the vote started, but no one that's been arguing in favor of "a ruined crater" for the last half a day has been making this claim.
 
sansoo949 said:
To add my own two cents to the side of "Promethean big hole" the main reason EZ tech exists is because the reapers (you know, the masters of EZ tech) made it so all galactic civilization could go down one path. Thus easier to face. However, while I'm not as knowledgeable about the mass effect universe, I do know this, lower tech and resources don't mean automatic failure.

A recent example is Ukraine. Despite having a fraction of the technology, manpower, and military training, they were still able to kick russia's ass. More specifically on the black sea, where the use of drones was able to deal massive blows to the russian black sea fleet.

will we be weaker if we choose the crator, yes. But we aren't going to automatically fail.
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We are still going to depend on Element Zero for FTL barriers and so on, but our tech will be much less advanced...
01paradox01 said:
I will also emphasize that we will be negatively impacted in future choices, we will have to pay off the debt somehow, it is going to hurt "somewhere".
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Despite @chellewalker weird obsession with game balance, chipping away the debt via omakes is perfectly feasible (and we are doing it right now)...
 
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chellewalker said:
You're the one that keeps bringing up the idea of "some secret tech tree." A couple people said that when the vote started, but the no one that's been arguing in favor of "a ruined crater" has been making this claim.
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No, I am not. Have you not read the thread? Where people have outright talked about it. And yes people have given that as the reason for the ruined crater. I would ask you to least have the respect to not say I am lying.
 
The Ruined crater will teach humans to make do with less unless You think that humanity is so dumb that even with extra time from the first vote and looking to be fighting one of the weaker Races in ME that Humanity can't fight back at all because it's not like we will even see the Batrains whole Military cause the Council will be concerned if they move too many forces to fight us
 
Stars Burning said:
Humanity won't become Slaves it has had an extra time to prepare so we can stop the Doom Saying anytime now
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We're fighting Batarians. We will have our pops be enslaved even if we picked the mil base, the vote on the ruins is essentially a vote on how many pops you want enslaved. Doom saying would be if I said we'll be completely subjugated as a species
 
Fanhunter696 said:
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Despite @chellewalker obsession with game balance, chipping away the debt via omakes is perfectly feasible...
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I'm not interested in doing that, and I'm certain that's also the case for several others.

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Regardless, I am getting very annoyed with several of you right now, because it's clear that there is a certain lack of consideration and respect when you adress me, and the other people responding to you folks in the thread. I am trying to discuss things in good faith, but it's clear that my politeness, my restraint, is getting taken for granted.

I am going to be disconnecting from this thread until the vote is called, because I'm not interested in being fed the fearmongering of several individuals. It's making me feel angry, and frustrated, and I'm likely to say something that I'll regret if we keep going on like this. Good luck to the rest of you.
 
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charlest said:
"Guys let's choose the worst possible options imaginable it'll be so interesting"

"What the heck guys why are you picking the option that won't have humanity become slaves?!?!"
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You really don't understand what interesting means huh.

Humanity clowning over the Batarians isn't interesting, at all.

There are a million ME fics that do that, I'd like to see something different for once.

I actually think a story in which humanity is fully enslaved by the Batarians to be a fairly interesting scenario.
gale said:
No, I am not. Have you not read the thread? Where people have outright talked about it. And yes people have given that as the reason for the ruined crater. I would ask you to least have the respect to not say I am lying.
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They mentioned NASApunk and humanity developing its own vibe outside of Eezo, not "we will build a whole new and better mode of doing things"

Also most of the anti-crater people are being extremely rude right now.
 
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