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Devastation Comes In Big Packages [Planetary Annihilation/Multicross SI]

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I'm sure the ship is scary awesome.

Wonder if in the future the Commander will make kids again except this time asshole gods can't mess with them.
 
Mandabar said:
This is... So sad man. Why can't we / you have nice things and family? Zee sounds like a great character we could've had. Damn it Torr! So much grim dark, might as well hit Warhammer next. 40k might not be grimdark enough. Let's head to 50k.
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which 50K? I know of one, the "screw it, making a freaking big ship and getting the hell out, this place sucks" one, but I think there are others.
 
It should be fascinating to learn more of his evolved capabilities, and his reaction to the Empire's change.

Sounds like we have a right proper war going on over in the other galaxy, worthy of the being compared to the progenitor wars like the Forerunner-vs-Flood, War in Heaven, etc.
 
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I find Jack's dislike of the Empire a little odd, though.

Why? It strikes me as the kind of reaction a character might have to someone essentially overturning so much of a canon, in a vaguely 4th wallish way. What reason does he have to intrinsically dislike the Empire? Their flaws are clear, but they've done a hell of a lot of good for this galaxy even with the Emperor gone.

I can't conceive of a reason for his dislike beyond some odd disapproval of them overturning so much of what would have been the canonical SG1's accomplishments, which is only possible if the author is translating it that way, but is what it feels like.
 
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Gotta say, seeing things from the Eye's point of view was interesting and entertaining but I'm glad it's shifted back over to Tor.

Also, Asgard Dreadnoughts? This make's me so happy. They're one of my favorite advanced sci-fi races to ever happen and they deserve to be OP and to build shit for the sake of cool-ness after the shit they've been through.

Has the Emperor helped them with their little spider problem?
 
Brandon Mather said:
Gotta say, seeing things from the Eye's point of view was interesting and entertaining but I'm glad it's shifted back over to Tor.

Also, Asgard Dreadnoughts? This make's me so happy. They're one of my favorite advanced sci-fi races to ever happen and they deserve to be OP and to build shit for the sake of cool-ness after the shit they've been through.
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Yeah, they're so advanced, or at least should be, but constantly get shafted for the sake of plot and conflict and Tauri saving the day.
 
torroar said:
Sweetums: Hey, Quilt, you're from Node-12, right?
Quilt: …yes?
Sweetums: Does this ever happen with you guys?
Quilt: No, not really. Things have been kind of boring just watching SG1 go through the motions. Within acceptable deviations most of the time.
Sweetums: Huh. Think that Jackson fella will be ok with me using his wife's face?
Quilt: In doing so you have prevented the real one from being impregnated by a Goa'uld so…I would say so. Why am I here again?
Sweetums: This is a date, silly!
Quilt: ….what?

Sweetums sighed outwardly as she stomped down onto the gut of the twentieth Jaffa in the corridor and splattered his intestines everywhere, reaching down with one hand to rip his head and spine out so that she had a flail against the twenty first – and last – Jaffa in said corridor.

"I feel like," she grunted as the skull shattered against the Jaffa's head "He's just so clueless, you know!? I invite him on one of my ops, I let him get at my explosives, and he has the nerve," she grasped the Jaffa and lifted him up before bringing him down to shatter the spine over her knee, "To ask 'is this a date'?"

The Jaffa wheezed in response.

"Tell me," she said to him as she picked him up and dragged his hand over to the touchpad – only living Jaffa or Goa'uld could access the scorching chambers these days -, "Am I being unreasonable? To just want a little ROMANCE!?"

The Jaffa, who she'd strapped multiple explosives too and then thrown into the scorching chamber, did not respond.

"Even Daniel FUCKING Jackson is going to show up here in a few months, just to be with his wife! But no, Quilt just wants to kill all the Jaffa on the planet while I'm up here in orbit! Bah!"
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Sweetums seems to have, er, too much personality for an Eyes agent.
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"When…the Emperor rescued our Queen from Pranagar, we were overjoyed. His technological aid helped us defeat numerous minor Lords than we would ever have managed before…but then he left," Jolinar paused then, "In the many years since…his Empire has…changed. Stagnated. Stratified. They are powerful, yes, but arrogant, tremendously so. And demanding as well – their thirst for the destruction of the Goa'uld sometimes outpaces their good sense."
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This seems to imply that the Empire, in Sun Jian's absence, had resumed some level of open hostilities with the Goa'uld... which means several worlds would have been burned by the scroched earth tactics in place. But hey so long as the more bloodthirsty empire generals' hateboners are stroked, whogivesashit eh?
torroar said:
It took the destruction of a hundred solar systems but I'd finally dragged him down, took away enough of his resources, forced a cascade failure across his systems before hard locking them to this specific body that I'd built for him so - so - so long ago.

Blood, fake of course, seeped out from the wounds where I'd ripped my son's limbs off. I'd had to, to stop him from flailing uselessly at me.
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So the 12 kids seems to have been originally made with Human Replica bodies based on Guri's design... which could imply that not only did he build them to be unrestrained commanders to aid Torroar, he also made them as his synthetic-flesh-and-blood family.
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He's going to LOVE what his empire has become when he gets back.

"Oh for Fucks Sake....ok, time to implement some changes. Really, I am very disappointed, I thought you could handle all this..."
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He's, uh, kind of out of fucks and beyond caring about the empire right now. He was viewing the Eyes' archives while personally giving the killing blow to one of his kids on another system that has been ravaged by their eternal war. And his reaction to that being:
torroar said:
Yeah.

They're doing fine.
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EVA-Saiyajin said:
I find Jack's dislike of the Empire a little odd, though.

Why? It strikes me as the kind of reaction a character might have to someone essentially overturning so much of a canon, in a vaguely 4th wallish way. What reason does he have to intrinsically dislike the Empire? Their flaws are clear, but they've done a hell of a lot of good for this galaxy even with the Emperor gone.

I can't conceive of a reason for his dislike beyond some odd disapproval of them overturning so much of what would have been the canonical SG1's accomplishments, which is only possible if the author is translating it that way, but is what it feels like.
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He's not being full of serious dislike, more just exasperated with one of the Sun family popping up all the time and snarking at him.

And people continually praising the Emperor around him. More annoyance at one of the Sun's and the Emperor than at the Empire itself.

I don't know about you man, but I personally would get a little annoyed if someone who I'd never met kept on having their praises sung to me on a consistent enough basis while in turn usually insulting me personally or my planet or government or military in the same conversation.

None of the Asgard do that though, obviously.
 
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torroar said:
He's not being full of serious dislike, more just exasperated with one of the Sun family popping up all the time and snarking at him.

And people continually praising the Emperor around him. More annoyance at one of the Sun's and the Emperor than at the Empire itself.

I don't know about you man, but I personally would get a little annoyed if someone who I'd never met kept on having their praises sung to me on a consistent enough basis while in turn usually insulting me personally or my planet or government or military in the same conversation.

None of the Asgard do that though, obviously.
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Heh. I know full well there's more to it than what I'm about to say, but it looks like a slight, or at least partial case, of being able to dish it out but not take it.

I know there's more to it than that, but it clearly being there partially is amusing.
 
I just don't see why he decided to build 'children'!

I mean, this is Stargate, not some death-verse. The only threat were the Goa'uld if you didn't go looking for trouble. So why bother creating Commanders for this verse when a much more deserving one like Star Wars didn't require any?

Feels too forced to be like Warhammer 40K to me in a sense. Esp. since given the SI's personality I can't imagine him spending 500 years in one place, esp. one as boring as Stargate-verse.

So... I hope that we won't be dealing with any sap stories from SI, and being led to believe that someone with Quantum Foam for a brain can't guide and keep up with what's happening in his Empire a mere galaxy away with Stargate FTL. Better to say that he believes that they should be able to build their own destiny, more so as he won't be around forever, immortal as he is!
 
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'Deserving' universe.

I'm...not quite sure what you mean there. Why would he build kids in a universe he would have to throw into a grinder like Warhammer 40k? Dude, none of the other Commanders have done that, and neither has The Network.

It was never a 'Make Child Commander/Soldiers', bro. Why bother making a contemporary that he can feel a bit of connection to in a universe where he thought that there wouldn't be a danger of them dying or whatever in? Maybe...because of literally just what I wrote?

He would never create children in a place like Warhammer, much less try to raise them there.

Also 'Too forced'. Wat?

And you kind of didn't get that he was building the Empire slow, did you. That's been discussed in and out of fic about how the SI got burned in Star Wars explicitly because he went too fast and got impatient with things and ended up causing a lot of damage and destruction that he was really upset about. So he went the slow route, building up an Empire carefully that would at the same time hopefully not require his 24/7 attention.

I...hope that you realize that he's been fighting a war against 12 kids who are also hyper intelligences like him without unit cap restrictions - which I consider more than fair enough reason for him to be focusing the vast majority of his attention on.

And, in turn, by slowly pruning them down, I thought I was making it clear that he was capable then of still checking in on the Empire through the Beholder System i.e. the Eye's now that he's ground down his children to the last one whilst rending that entire galaxy he's in mostly to shreds. He couldn't before because, again, 12 hyper intelligences that he built himself with his own knowledge and techbase requiring all of his attention to keep from overrunning everything or worse, destroying him.

I feel that you have...vastly misconstrued how The Network was going about its business in this universe. Like, really badly.
 
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torroar said:
'Deserving' universe.

I'm...not quite sure what you mean there. Why would he build kids in a universe he would have to throw into a grinder like Warhammer 40k? Dude, none of the other Commanders have done that, and neither has The Network.

It was never a 'Make Child Commander/Soldiers', bro. Why bother making a contemporary that he can feel a bit of connection to in a universe where he thought that there wouldn't be a danger of them dying or whatever in? Maybe...because of literally just what I wrote?

He would never create children in a place like Warhammer, much less try to raise them there.

Also 'Too forced'. Wat?

And you kind of didn't get that he was building the Empire slow, did you. That's been discussed in and out of fic about how the SI got burned in Star Wars explicitly because he went too fast and got impatient with things and ended up causing a lot of damage and destruction that he was really upset about. So he went the slow route, building up an Empire carefully that would at the same time hopefully not require his 24/7 attention.

I...hope that you realize that he's been fighting a war against 12 kids who are also hyper intelligences like him without unit cap restrictions - which I consider more than fair enough reason for him to be focusing the vast majority of his attention on.

And, in turn, by slowly pruning them down, I thought I was making it clear that he was capable then of still checking in on the Empire through the Beholder System i.e. the Eye's now that he's ground down his children to the last one whilst rending that entire galaxy he's in mostly to shreds.



I feel that you have...vastly misconstrued how The Network was going about its business in this universe.
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It sounds like an utterly fascinating war, high tier and conducted by supreme hyperpowers. Hope we can see some more of it, of just what happened, the details.
 
I'm working on the update right now, actually. Hope to have it out sometime late tonight or tomorrow.

Fair warning, it's going to be...well, not at all like the quippy bits between the Sun family and SG1.
 
Sceonn said:
I just don't see why he decided to build 'children'!

I mean, this is Stargate, not some death-verse. The only threat were the Goa'uld if you didn't go looking for trouble. So why bother creating Commanders for this verse when a much more deserving one like Star Wars didn't require any?

Feels too forced to be like Warhammer 40K to me in a sense. Esp. since given the SI's personality I can't imagine him spending 500 years in one place, esp. one as boring as Stargate-verse.

So... I hope that we won't be dealing with any sap stories from SI, and being led to believe that someone with Quantum Foam for a brain can't guide and keep up with what's happening in his Empire a mere galaxy away with Stargate FTL. Better to say that he believes that they should be able to build their own destiny, more so as he won't be around forever, immortal as he is!
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Um... I would build family if I could. That they are unrestricted commanders is just icing on the top and not the point. I mean look at the other commanders. Pretty much all of them have built or recruited companions. Shit gets lonely you know without companions you can be honest with and/or who are near equals to you in power.
torroar said:
It was never a 'Make Child Commander/Soldiers', bro. Why bother making a contemporary that he can feel a bit of connection to in a universe where he thought that there wouldn't be a danger of them dying or whatever in? Maybe...because of literally just what I wrote?

He would never create children in a place like Warhammer, much less try to raise them there.
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Heh everything you said but especially this.

Now go save/fix/hold in your arms Zee!
torroar said:
And, in turn, by slowly pruning them down, I thought I was making it clear that he was capable then of still checking in on the Empire through the Beholder System i.e. the Eye's now that he's ground down his children to the last one whilst rending that entire galaxy he's in mostly to shreds. He couldn't before because, again, 12 hyper intelligences that he built himself with his own knowledge and techbase requiring all of his attention to keep from overrunning everything or worse, destroying him.
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I still wonder how you had ANY fucking chance. Maybe if they had limited techbases to yours. But nope. They had everything. It should've been torroar+++ x 12.
torroar said:
I'm working on the update right now, actually. Hope to have it out sometime late tonight or tomorrow.

Fair warning, it's going to be...well, not at all like the quippy bits between the Sun family and SG1.
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Yeah. I imagine not except for maybe the pre-god mind fucking flashbacks. Probably a bit of ▂▂▃▃▄▄▅▅
 
Sun Jian started with the Godsgrief, which is one hell of a foundation versus the rest of them. Still, it hasn't been easy. Explicitly so.

Hence...why he needed practically every iota of attention to deal with the issue for so long.
 
When I think about the casual, widespread power a Commander with his level of accumulated tech, including progenitor-tier with the original Progenitors and the Alterans, has at his disposal, than consider fighting a dozen others with no unit cap...that's a PROPER battle between effectively gods.
 
torroar said:
'Deserving' universe.

I'm...not quite sure what you mean there. Why would he build kids in a universe he would have to throw into a grinder like Warhammer 40k? Dude, none of the other Commanders have done that, and neither has The Network.

It was never a 'Make Child Commander/Soldiers', bro. Why bother making a contemporary that he can feel a bit of connection to in a universe where he thought that there wouldn't be a danger of them dying or whatever in? Maybe...because of literally just what I wrote?

He would never create children in a place like Warhammer, much less try to raise them there.

Also 'Too forced'. Wat?

And you kind of didn't get that he was building the Empire slow, did you. That's been discussed in and out of fic about how the SI got burned in Star Wars explicitly because he went too fast and got impatient with things and ended up causing a lot of damage and destruction that he was really upset about. So he went the slow route, building up an Empire carefully that would at the same time hopefully not require his 24/7 attention.

I...hope that you realize that he's been fighting a war against 12 kids who are also hyper intelligences like him without unit cap restrictions - which I consider more than fair enough reason for him to be focusing the vast majority of his attention on.

And, in turn, by slowly pruning them down, I thought I was making it clear that he was capable then of still checking in on the Empire through the Beholder System i.e. the Eye's now that he's ground down his children to the last one whilst rending that entire galaxy he's in mostly to shreds. He couldn't before because, again, 12 hyper intelligences that he built himself with his own knowledge and techbase requiring all of his attention to keep from overrunning everything or worse, destroying him.

I feel that you have...vastly misconstrued how The Network was going about its business in this universe. Like, really badly.
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Well, for one, I haven't read through the hundreds of posts to know hat has been discussed out of story nor did I see it in. If SI is deliberately spending 500 years in Stargate then alls to you!

And no, I don't consider anything with the power of a Commander a 'child', A brain like that cannot go through such a phase in life even. Commanders were specifically build for this, right out of the factory, with their sapience. Though if that's how they are in this story then my bad.

No, I don't, as I've said before, considered it a war against 12 kids. I saw it logically. A battle between hyper intelligent machines of destruction where if tech is equal then numbers should have achieved victory. Sorry, but I can't see Hyper cognitive Quantum Foam for brain Von-Neumann Progenitor machines as children. Maybe in the first few seconds of their life.

Not to say that you're wrong, just, that's my own thought process on them...

Thought he wasn't keeping an eye on things, but my point still stands, he should be able to command the Eyes, who are completely able to guide the policies of the Empire. That the Empire is as it is should not surprise nor be against the wishes of the Emperor. That was the whole point of my rant!

Yes, it appears I didn't quite get a few plot points, but that wasn't really my point!

Mandabar said:
Um... I would build family if I could. That they are unrestricted commanders is just icing on the top and not the point. I mean look at the other commanders. Pretty much all of them have built or recruited companions. Shit gets lonely you know without companions you can be honest with and/or who are near equals to you in power.
Heh everything you said but especially this.
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Yeah, didn't quite see it from the emotional angle.

Also on a sidenote, it never occurred to me how such an inhuman Brain literally designed to operate alone on such a mind-boggling scale by the Progenitors would be prone to such an atavistic primate need! I'm looking at it from a completely different POV it would seem.
 
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